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What would have Claudis been feeling for Lion-O?
He got the needed newborn son in exchange of his wife's life and later the kid turns out to be a slacker. There are some stories where the father has a little hatred for the child that took their love as a result of birth. |
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It sounds more realistic for it to be a cultural thing, but all things considered I don't see how he was exposed to tiger culture. I just have my own problems with it. Same for the all lions are brave thing:rolleyes: |
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So in conclusion, I don't think its right to blame Lion-O. I just see how someone with those kind of issues could come to that conclusion. |
Well said Chique, understanding his behavior and condoning it are two separate things, and you can feel bad for the guy while still admitting the way he went about things was wrong.
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Do you have a relative that you never really knew? When my grandmother loss her father, I was sad but it was more for my grandmother , rather than a sadness for my great grandfather. I never knew him so, I never felt the absence. It's not right of Tygra, but as an imperfect human being I can understand it. |
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Sorry, Chique, since it's the internet i wasn't able to get the tone across, or hear the tone in yours (if everything had an audio function over the words it'd be awesome). I do feel bad for Tygra, but i don't think it excuses his behavior. When was it mentioned in the show that he was treated like an outcast? We know Lion-o was, but i don't remember in this episode hearing anything about Tygra being treated that way, everyone loved him....
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He felt like his birth parents abandoned him, and his mother changed when she got pregnant ( not commenting on her intentions, but it was a change) and then died when Lion-O was born. Then there's the whole sword and crown thing. Tygra has a constant fear of rejection. |
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I don't think they've ever seen tigers, because the tiger clan was isolated in the mountains. But they did hold disdain with them over their allegiance in the war. Rewatch the first scene between Lion-O, Tygra and Javon. |
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He may not have known that Tygra would become a prince but that does not change the fact that his actions shaped Tygra’s life into what it is. Between a choice of killing him or sending him away, Javon made the only choice he could. Quote:
He acts like Lion-O came straight out of his mother's womb with the intention of “taking” his kingdom. Quote:
Implying that his life would have been so much better had his brother not been born was not a very nice thing to do. I was criticising Tygra’s constant griping; his entire “woe-is-me” act was irritating after a while. It’s as though Lion-O and the others didn’t even exist. Quote:
My point was that if Tygra felt like he did not belong, then the writers hadn’t done a good job of showing that. I’m supposed to suddenly believe that Tygra spent his whole life “not quite belonging?” Why not give us a silly flashback like they did with Cheetara and the Flower, after all they seem to be good at that. Quote:
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I wish the show was longer, like a hour.....it just feel so rushed to me....there's so much more I wish they would've gone into....it's like I'm just getting in to it then boom it's over.....
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Man, certain fans really really love to judge things based on flashbacks. One flashback of Lion-Os mom and suddenly everyone is 'this woman is a horrible mother to Tygra'. You guys want to see what really abusive stepmoms look like? Take a look at cinderella first --_- The sheer amount of whining about how Tygra feels unloved because lion-o's mom didn't call him a prince is amazing.
And losing an adoptive mother you've met is probably a lot better than being the one responsible for killing your mother when she gives birth to you. You can try and see which talk is easier to give "I'm sorry son, but your mother went to a better place" or "I'm sorry son, but your mother couldn't take your birth very well and died because of it" |
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I don't think she stopped loving him, but she really shouldn't have said that. It gave Tygra the impression that something had shifted, and Eclipse has gone into the new baby thing. Bro why toss in the adopted thing? Adopted or not, she was his mother. She raised him and loved him. The reason why some people went in on the prince thing, was because it looked like she was going to favor Lion-O because he was biologically hers. Which I think we can agree would be wrong. Lion-O didn't have that big of a reaction to the flashback. He looked more hurt by the Thundarians pushing the tigers out of the city. Which (IMHO) is fine. Equality and fairness is a big part of Lion-O, and you cant miss someone you never knew. Oh what should we do? Ignore the flashbacks because you don't like them? 0.o If we weren't suppose to "judge" the flashbacks, then the writers wouldn't have included them. |
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We're not saying she's a HORRIBLE MOTHER. We're saying that the WAY she approached telling Tygra made the little boy feel he's not going to be "her handsome prince" anymore. You see how she frowned when she changed that statement. And like I've said, maybe she didn't mean to be mean, she just got the wrong way about it. I AM a mother. I have a six year old boy and I would never have told him that, especially now that's he going to have a little brother too. And I don't think Claudus would be THAT callous to little old Lion-O. He wouldn't say, Sorry son, your mother died because she gave birth to you. Pregnancy has many complications and its not always the direct cause of the child that it happened. |
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Having an opinion, good or bad, is judging it. Whose to say you're right and I'm wrong, or vice verse? Unless the producers and writers want to add to the discussion or expand on it further, we won't ever know. |
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As for the only choice he could make? He was the ruler of the Tigers. Last time I checked that meant if you say "No I'm not killing my son, and we're going to Thundera for help" then that's what your people do. He didn't have to take the other guy's advice. Quote:
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Did anybody look at the credits? I'm not sure about the spelling of Tygra's father's name.:confused:
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What else are we suppose to do with the flashbacks? Ignore them? I know a guy who lost his mother when her was very young. I felt guilty for bringing it up, but he shrugged it off. I'm not saying it would be WRONG of Lion-O to feel for her, but I can see why he doesn't. That's why his lack of reaction was no problem for me. Once again, you are looking at these characters as if they are perfect unemotional logical creatures. Sometimes your emotions get the best of you. |
lol, I'm not looking at them for being perfect creatures. People who apparently expect Lion-Os mother to have called Tygra 'prince' instead of darling are, especially with the way some of them like repeating they're mothers and how they would never do that. Seriously, it's one slip-up and people are already ready to hang her or justify Tygra's behavior from that one slip-up. I guess it's how people like to blame everything on their parents -_-
So you know 1 guy and I know some guys. We now have a stand-off on anecdotal evidence. |
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I didn't judge her to be a bad mother. I said the way she went about telling her son that isn't right. We're not hanging her character, we didn't like the way she made him feel. There are a few different ways you can approach your kid to tell him he has to share his parents with a sibling, that was not one of them. The last thing you want your kid to know is that they're not going to be as special as they were when they were by themselves. This is where sibling rivalry can stem from. We're not justifying that to Tygra's behavior either. |
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I was talking to somebody and she brought up a good point...why are they looking for a passages through the mountains.....what about the third stone....the one up on the cliff...I didn't see any snow covered mountains anywhere by that cliff.....
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/t...a-nu/006-1.jpg am I missing something?....if the stone is not up on that cliff then why did the book point up? |
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Balloons can be controlled and in this case, possibly by technological means – but that is speculation. Regarding the whip, I always assumed that Tygra’s whip was technology and I thought it would be the same with the new whip. Tygus seemed adept with technology which is why I also assumed that the Tigers would have retained some knowledge of it. However, this is also speculation. Quote:
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I said that that was what he implied when he said that. His life was great until the day Lion-O was born when his mother and his kingdom were lost to him. Moreover, Tygra has, on multiple occasions throughout the previous season, stated that Lion-O “took” the crown away from him. |
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In this ep tygra gets the lion-o treatment from the writers.
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Furthermore, lack of evidence is not evidence. You can say things were maintained and I can say things weren't. How are you going to prove otherwise? And again, I find all this whining about how Lion-Os mom didn't call Tygra prince incredible. Is this what it takes to not be a good parent anymore? |
The outcast aspect was that there were no others of his species he could associate or learn from at that time, except maybe legend or past transgressions/hatred.
Some story characters develop a last or only one of my kind mentality. Such things like this can be chalked up to characters lacking certain things. |
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I didn't say he hasn't blamed Lion-O in past episodes. What I said was that He wasn't blaming Lion-O in THIS episode. It wasn't what the scene was about. |
I think Tygra should have understood Lion-O more when Lion-O wasn't favored by Claudus because here it seems Lion-O was connected with Tygra's real father a lot more than Tygra did and this may have caused Tygra to feel resentful. Last episode should have Tygra understanding Lion-O better after what he goes through as king in his absence. Not only is Tygra not admitting he's wrong as his character flaw, so is his self-centeredness.
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Tygra has a hard time with Lion-O coming into his life.
It can go either way that a child will accept or not accept the new sibling. Some children who were once spoiled as the center of attention will have a hard time accepting such a change. Also being in a Royal Family made him super spoiled. Plus cats are territorial by nature. |
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If we get another one in the future disproving my theory, I will have no qualms to say I was wrong. In the meantime, that's what I think about the significance of that scene, and what I think about parenting. It's not meant to be pleasant. |
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