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Actually, Lion-O was King during the fall. He was made King right before they escaped and a whole day hasn't passed since the attack. If Lion-O doesn't want to get blamed for falling short the expectations and duties the people expect of the King, then he should stop being one. Quote:
Lion-O and the Dogs will join up. Panthro is buddies with Dobo. There will some pressure or persuasion to end slavery there. |
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But Cheetara and Tygra stayed silent, which is unusual. Cheetara even told Panthro to stay out of it. Maybe they were as angry about a cat being held as a slave, but I think it's more likely they're learning to let Lion-O make the decisions. As evidenced by Tygra's brief stint as King, Lion-O does usually end up making decisions that work out. But more importantly, Lion-O is King. At the end of the day, how they handle things like this is ultimately up to him. For better or worse. There's nothing wrong with offering an opinion, but they can't fight every decision he makes, much as they have been. Lion-O needs to make his own decisions. Quote:
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Fighting in the Coliseum in Rome was considered an honour, wasn't it? They could keep the coliseum running, if only on a 'hey, you want to fight? Go for it' basis. But maybe they'll come up with some new forms of entertainment once the Cats no longer have the lion's share (couldn't resist, I'm sorry) of the resources. |
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I think Panthro said to leave her because he thought she could take care of herself. Remember he used to be in that same arena so he know's exactly what she's up against.
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That is a very important piece of info, exactly how many arena battles has she been in and won?
If it was a low number, then she would have been more open to escape. However at a higher number closer to 100 would have put her more to refusing the help of Lion-o since she has a sure fire path to her freedom. |
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It's not even that Lion-O doesn't want to get blamed, it's that I don't think he should be blamed for 'failing' his people when he basically inherited a shitstorm without any real power to it. Quote:
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Pretty much Lion-O aka The King escapes while his people are captured and they don't hear a peep from him for however much time has passed since the fall of the kingdom. From the enslaved perspective it looks bad for Lion-O. Where's the King? What's taking him so long? Hurry up since things are looking worse. My *family member or friend* died while the King took his sweet time. Lion-O should receive some scorn, Pumyra has a legit complaint about Lion-O taking forever to get there and all he does is make excuses for being late. While she was a slave since the fall of the kingdom this guy was throwing a hissy fit over Cheetara picking Tygra. On the slavers part, a number of civilizations dipped their toes in some form of slavery. Prisons for example. |
Which wouldn't stop Tygra being blamed either. I don't think you get the fact that I said it's not Lion-O that doesn't want to be blamed but that I DON'T think he should be blamed. Lion-O is the type of person who'll blame himself anyway. Whether he does or not is his own issue. I just don't think people have a valid issue blaming their leaders for everything that happens because to me, that's the same thing as being a person who basically goes 'the devil made me do it' which is pretty much the type of people I hate.
I'll also note that nobody else says 'hey, let's go back, check for slaves or anything left of our people' as well. For a party that seems very willing to give their opinions whenever they want, that's just telling. Yes, because prisoners are the same as slaves. -_- Seriously lol. |
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I can see why Lion-O is being blamed. I don't think he deserves to be blamed.
This was an emotional response from Pumyra, not necessarily a logical one. She saw things from her own point of view (like so many people do) and not from Lion-O's. He doesn't really deserve the blame, but it's not hard to imagine Thunderians blaming him anyway. People always blame the people in power. Heck look at the people who blame Obama for gas prices when he has no real control over that. |
The other thing about this post-Trials Lion-O is that he will take the blame for something regardless of whether he's responsible for it or not, and this is especially evident in his conflict with Pumyra. The only two arguments he offers to her are "I did what I had to do" and "I can't change the past" and while both are completely true they do not absolve him of any guilt, even in his own mind.
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1. Asking Claudis to free the lizards before the lizard attack. It looks bad for him in the eyes of the people. 2. The amount of time that past before Lion-O attempt any action of freeing his people. 3. Some people will also hold it against him for fleeing and leaving the people behind. Also from Pumyra's perspective, when she asked Lion-O about why it took him so long; she doesn't know all the stuff that happen before hand. So to her Lion-O sounded like he was making excuses for his pathetic response time. Most of them don't know he's the King and just remember that weak sauce prince. |
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Lion-O can be blamed for the amount of time that past before any attempt of freeing his people. That's was one of the main points of her problem with him. The last thing some will remember is that Lion-O went against his people to defend the lizards, embrassed Claudis, and some time after that the lizards attacked. |
I wonder if many of the captured cats even realize Lion-o is still alive?
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1. they're actually advertising her fights. they wouldn't do that with bad fighters 2. he says it after watching her fight. so he saw how she fights. |
Assuming solely being a good fighter is enough to escape. Unless he's expecting her to win all 100 fights but considering he hasn't seen all the competition yet in the arena, I have no idea how he can confidently assume she will win all 100 fights. There's an old chinese saying, there's always a taller mountain
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Besides, they're enslaved by tyrants. Working until they die. Rationality probably isn't at an all-time high right now. Regardless of whether or not Lion-O deserves some or all of the blame, they will hold him accountable until he rescues them, and he will feel guilty for not doing it sooner. Then we'll storm Mt. Plun-darr and wreak some unholy havoc on Mumm-Ra's plans in a way that probably reveals another plot point :) |
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Maybe a Panthro talk to Dobo to see if we could come to an agreement to release her quicker. |
I thought this was a fairly decent episode.
I enjoyed Rattaro but thought perhaps he might have had a more forceful voice talent than he did. I guess they made him sound cultured so the other rat could sound well more scavanish. If I was not so turned off by the glossy semi-inflexible plastic Bandai use I'd like a toy of some the Rats. Shame Bandai are pretty terrible at making actionfigures they proably need to get some new designers and use different materials - using Power Rangers style engineering on Thundercats neither suits the style of the fun factor they should have (but don't) they feel like a throw back to 80s Kenner figures - they are a representation of the character rather than an embodiment of them. Perhaps I just need to hope one day sideshow Collectables or someone like that will be allowed to make super premium version of the characters, and I can overlook the slight mediocrity of many current Thundercats toys. I do feel it's a shame though as the Original figures especially ones like The Snowman, Rattaro, or Slyth still look fantastic (limited joints or not) the current ones seem like they made them down to a very low cost and didn't give any consideration that if they'd done a better job they could have had a really appeal to both the real youngsters they'd like to appeal to and adult collectors. I fully intended to go completist on the TC toyline but I'm finding it difficult to do so when the show and toyline seem at odds with each other. |
I wonder if this episode was loosely based on the Thundercats comic storyline, Dogs of War, where Cheetara was undergoing similar things that Pumyra went through here and never forgave Lion-O for it.
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Actually there is a lot of this reboot that screams WS comic. Dobo and Doberlord being pretty much twins, Pumyra's reaction to Lion-O being akin to Cheetara's, the fact that Panthro does just about nothing, the confusing character pairings that make no logical sense, the scattered and inconsistant storylines. I'm actually waiting for G-Force and/or Super-Man to arrive. |
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