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I've certainly had my run-ins with unhappy T/C fans. Tygra is gonna be in trouble for that decision.
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03-29-2012, 10:10 PM | #553 |
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From what I understand they were captured for a little while after Lion-O died. They might not even know exactly where it was he died or how to get back to that specific spot.
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I just think Lion-O's gonna come out of his trials as a badass worthy of the titles "Lord of the Thundercats."
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03-29-2012, 10:36 PM | #559 |
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03-29-2012, 10:41 PM | #561 |
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03-29-2012, 10:46 PM | #562 |
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Yeah, he's watched his father murdered before his eyes, his kingdom destroyed, his people enslaved or killed, his heart broken, and now he's gonna die. All in the first season!
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03-29-2012, 10:50 PM | #565 |
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The other thing you have to keep in mind is that Lion-O's arc through the first season stick pretty close to the archetypal "Hero's Journey" with his "death" coinciding with roughly the midpoint or "abyss" prior to his transformation and atonement. In other words he's approaching his lowest point, but only so he can start going back up again.
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03-29-2012, 10:53 PM | #566 |
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The other thing you have to keep in mind is that Lion-O's arc through the first season stick pretty close to the archetypal "Hero's Journey" with his "death" coinciding with roughly the midpoint or "abyss" prior to his transformation and atonement. In other words he's approaching his lowest point, but only so he can start going back up again.
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All the kids will see it that he got killed and the others (besides Kit) won't even go to look for his body. If that was me at that age i'd stop watching.
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03-29-2012, 11:02 PM | #569 |
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That never stopped kids from watching Transformers, no matter how many times they kill Prime. It's kind of a joke now.
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But Prime's a car. Lion-o's a senient cat. And little kids are going to be more upset if a animal dies, i'd assume. I know a lot of people cried with Mufasa was murdered.
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Have you seen Transformers? They're ALL sentient, the death of Optimus Prime wrecked a lot of kids, myself included.
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The first time Prime died in the 80's movie, kids were pretty freaked out by it. There were even parents writing to Hasbro, to complain about it. It's amazing how things change, now Prime dies at least once every series.
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I know that. I watched it too, but deaths of animals makes me sadder, since i know cars aren't really sentient. I wish they were though. Plus Lion-o's been the writer's punching bag from the pilot.
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I think a lot if the audience has a VERY negative opinion of Cheetara now. Between leading Lion-o on, and her dereliction of duty, its like I said before Lion-o has no reason to trust Cheetara on any level,. Which is why I said ( much to the disdain of some posters), that logically Lion-o would be within his rights to banish her. She has become a hindrance to the group dynamics.
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For me the problem is it comes across as forced. Lion-o is going through trial by fire, but things like Cheetara doing a complete 180 in terms of personality, come across as being done to reach a certain outcome even if it doesn't make any sense.
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03-29-2012, 11:20 PM | #578 |
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Yeah, that was me. And what you said, in addition to banishing her, was that you'd cheer with glee at the sight of Cheetara getting murdered. Basically, you're saying that you want to see her die because she fell in love with the wrong guy. Real classy.
Oh, stop. I think Lion-O's been one of the best characters in the show. Yeah, he goes through a lot of shit, but he's a great, multi-faceted character. They wouldn't bother writing him so well if they hated him. Totally. |
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Jelenic wants Lion-o to continue to have lessons, the problem though he's the only one who is forced to learn them.
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Well it will keep going. When she dropped her staff that was very OOC. |
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We have, however, gotten to know her better, and her true feelings were revealed. Some of you couldn't deal with the fact she chose someone other than Lion-O, and have since condemned her and everything she does at every turn. Edit: woo, post #700... Last edited by Ravenxl7; 03-30-2012 at 09:52 AM.. |
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I'll never understand why you and a select few others think her character has at all changed since the beginning of the show.
We have, however, gotten to know her better, and her true feelings were revealed. Some of you couldn't deal with the fact she chose someone other than Lion-O, and have since condemned her and everything she does at every turn. |
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I'll never understand why you and a select few others think her character has at all changed since the beginning of the show.
We have, however, gotten to know her better, and her true feelings were revealed. Some of you couldn't deal with the fact she chose someone other than Lion-O, and have since condemned her and everything she does at every turn. Many of us here have repeatedly mentioned that the reason we do not put Cheetara (or the T/C relationship) on a pedestal was not because she chose Tygra but because of the manner in which the love triangle was written. Cheetara’s characterisation was very badly handled in my opinion. You can go on assuming that Lion-O somehow “misread her signals” or maybe a sudden, out of the blue flashback without any build-up may be enough to convince you of the legitimacy of the T/C pairing. But that’s simply not good enough for me. Want to create a love triangle? Great, just don’t wreck the characters in the process. |
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I think these debates are just going around in circles. I as well as many others have explained why we feel Cheetara has changed. Yes I do think that Cheetara led Lion-o on, but the issue is that now that she is with Tygra, she chose to surrender in the middle if a fight, because a couple of bloodthirsty killers, one of which she dealt with before (Slithe), promised her they would spare her boyfriend. It was a bad idea, as further evidenced by the fact that moments after her surrender, Lion-o who she is supposed to protect was knocked unconscious and would have been killed id not for Panthro's arrival.
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She's become weak now that she gave in to her emotions, the old Cheetara was so damn cool and always in control of herself, now they just write her as a love struck naive girl. If she was her old self she would have been able to reach Tygra and save him, while still being able to disarm her enemies but now she hesitated because the man she loves was at risk. Lion-O should just learn how to fight by himself, instead of counting on others to watch his back. I mean you were raised from childhood to put your duty towards the kingdom first before anything (which is Lion-O uniting all the races against Mumm-Ra) as a cleric and now that you've fallen in love all that training etc. Just fly's out the door? That's what I find to be just so unrealistic, even though the characters aren't perfect someone should really re-write whatever they did to her character, I mean seriously.
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Unlike you, some of us don’t feel the need to twist facts to fit our own version of reality.
Many of us here have repeatedly mentioned that the reason we do not put Cheetara (or the T/C relationship) on a pedestal was not because she chose Tygra but because of the manner in which the love triangle was written. Cheetara’s characterisation was very badly handled in my opinion. You can go on assuming that Lion-O somehow “misread her signals” or maybe a sudden, out of the blue flashback without any build-up may be enough to convince you of the legitimacy of the T/C pairing. But that’s simply not good enough for me. Want to create a love triangle? Great, just don’t wreck the characters in the process. |
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You got it the other way around, Jelenic IS MUMM-RA HIMSELF it is his true form! Jelenic form is the disguise. Thus the personal hatred of Lion-O.
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Unlike you, some of us don’t feel the need to twist facts to fit our own version of reality.
Many of us here have repeatedly mentioned that the reason we do not put Cheetara (or the T/C relationship) on a pedestal was not because she chose Tygra but because of the manner in which the love triangle was written. Cheetara’s characterisation was very badly handled in my opinion. You can go on assuming that Lion-O somehow “misread her signals” or maybe a sudden, out of the blue flashback without any build-up may be enough to convince you of the legitimacy of the T/C pairing. But that’s simply not good enough for me. Want to create a love triangle? Great, just don’t wreck the characters in the process. |
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i knew the love triangle plot would eventually cause a drastic negative change in the characters involved. this is why i didn't really support the romance and i hope the writers stay away from romance for now and focus on the damn main story arc.
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The thing is there are two sides to this debate and both have excellent points, but they also then to ignore the points brought up by the other side. We're also only at the halfway point in the first season, we've still got a dozen or so episodes left to see how that characters change or find out more about their backstory. Yes Tygra/Cheetarah feels forced, but I've stated before that I liked the way they revealed it, it hits you like a brick wall the same way it hits Lion-O and forces you directly into his shoes for a brief moment. We have no idea how things are going to develop. They might break up, the might not. They might break up only to decide to give it another shot. After going though the Trials I don't think Lion-O will even want Cheetarah romantically anymore, recognizing his crush as just that.
Yes Lion-O gets the lion's share of the character development (puns, LOL) but the producers stated before the show even premiered that the first season is all about Lion-O, his development and how his and other's decisions affect and change him, and the other characters won't get quite as much focus. |
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You got it the other way around, Jelenic IS MUMM-RA HIMSELF it is his true form! Jelenic form is the disguise. Thus the personal hatred of Lion-O.
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This is the problem inherent with love triangles, if their not done well, you end up with the characters becoming unlikeable. And that's what's happened here.
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I've been thinking about Cheetarah's actions in the fight in "New Alliances" and a thought occurred to me: Lion-O gambles with his brother's life, but knowing what we know about the characters it's probably because he has faith that Tygra could find his way out of the situation. Cheetarah refuses to fight with Tygra held hostage because she doesn't want to risk his life that way. As much as she cares about him she doesn't have the same faith in him that Lion-O does. She doesn't have the same faith in Tygra that she does Lion-O. I think if the situation was reversed she would have kept fighting (Tygra might not) because she believes Lion-O can do anything. In this context Tygra's smile could be taken as a wry smirk of disappointment that the woman he loves doesn't believe in him the same way she does his brother.
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I've been thinking about Cheetarah's actions in the fight in "New Alliances" and a thought occurred to me: Lion-O gambles with his brother's life, but knowing what we know about the characters it's probably because he has faith that Tygra could find his way out of the situation. Cheetarah refuses to fight with Tygra held hostage because she doesn't want to risk his life that way. As much as she cares about him she doesn't have the same faith in him that Lion-O does. She doesn't have the same faith in Tygra that she does Lion-O. I think if the situation was reversed she would have kept fighting (Tygra might not) because she believes Lion-O can do anything. In this context Tygra's smile could be taken as a wry smirk of disappointment that the woman he loves doesn't believe in him the same way she does his brother.
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