Thundercats Episode 6 - Journey To The Tower Of Omens

[Wilyjo]

Lion-O's ancestor is the definition of feline manliness. Jeez, he looks like a really buff solid snake. I can't get over that fact.

[JASONKAT]

Suprised you didnt have nightmares from ur own lil thoughts, lolz nice image tho!
I too felt like his transformation was kinda rushed and to quick instead of evil voice in the background w lion-o looking up and all around wondering what that is or where is that coming from, right as you stated mumra comes bearing down on him just b4 he trys to go for the book.
it was still a decent show tho!

[Nekomen]

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Originally Posted by Tony_Bacala

So they laid groundwork for stories involving previous kings, and an entire old school era where Thundercats (or Cats) were working with Mumm Ra.

Odd that the cats in the old era just so happened to look like Tygra and Lion O. And the Tygra guy was called Tygris. What a co-inky-dink. All of that has comic mini-series written all over it. Or, after this series has it's run, pull a Clone Wars and just tell an old story in real time, even tho you know what comes later. Thundercats Episode 1 The Old Republic.

This may relate to the line Claudus had said in the pilot that the bloodline must remain pure. Which is why Lion-O, the younger brother is king, inspite of Tygra who is adopted being older.

All around, the usage, interwoven character dynamics, and coherent history are really working for this show. It shows a lot of depth and forethought was put into all of this. I have a feeling they have much planned that may mirror the original in many regards such as other space faring races coming in, the other survivors, a new thundera kingdom, and even the return of Mummra once thought defeated. The later seasons of original thundercats and all these easter eggs make me think they have an overall plan that stays true to the original, yet also goes in new more coherent directions in this vast fantasy world filled with technology.

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Originally Posted by xhavoc86

Cheetara and Lion-O seems to have this relationship going on, is this new?

I don't remember them having one in the original animated series, i never read the comic so I dont know if it stemmed from there.

It was only alluded to in the original. They never outright said it, but yes there were many undertones suggesting it throughout the seasons of the original.

[buma24]

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Originally Posted by Wilyjo

Teen Claudus looks pretty cool! So does Tygra's father, Tigrus

but holy crap ADULT CLAUDUS LOOKS LIKE SOLID SNAKE

man I can't wait to screencap this episode

That was not Claudus or Tigras father. That was centurys before them.

[spike78a]

i don't think tigrus is tygra's father, the flashback was set hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

[flywheels]

I'm still surprised at the sexual angle the writers are taking w/ Cheetara & Lion-O. Overall I thought the episode was good. Surprised to see that Mumm-Ra's sarcophagus doubled as a vehicle. For a second there I thought I was watching Mummies Alive!

[spike78a]

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Originally Posted by Icespark

I think you're very close.
I would add that my theory would be that Mumm-Ra betrayed the cats, tried to kill Claudus, and instead, Tygrus took the blow to save him.

again that flashback was set a long long time ago. the lion with mumm-ra is most likely an ancestor of claudus. and that tiger might be an ancestor of
tygra...maybe. also claudus never ran up against mumm-ra before, infact mumm-ra was thought to be just a myth.
it seems to me that "the pride" is usually led by a lion, which panthro kinda confirmed in "Old Friends". so if the pride is traditionally led by a lion then it might also be tradition to have a tiger be second in command.
if that's the case then maybe tygra's father died in battle and and claudus raised tygra as his own for his friend. but that would have happened in the past 15 or so years and not thousands of years ago when the flashback was set.

[spike78a]

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Originally Posted by Saint Phe

Loved it! Confused about something, though. If they were using technology in the recent past (shown in Mumm-ra's flashback), why do none of the Cats remember it?

they weren't using technology in the recent past. that flashback was set in the very distant past. the thundercats at one time did possess technology but it was lost over time and the present day thundercats thought it was just a myth before the fall of thundera.
the first flashback was set during a time when the thundercats still possessed technology. in the other flashback you can already see that they were losing there knowledge of technology.

[squawkbot]

"No...we...were...just trying to get my sword to work." Hahaha, priceless

[buma24]

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Originally Posted by Saint Phe

Loved it! Confused about something, though. If they were using technology in the recent past (shown in Mumm-ra's flashback), why do none of the Cats remember it?

because this was a century or two ago . those were other TC Kings

[Pinero]

liono and cheetera lol did anybody else catch the sarcasm liono said when the kits ran up on him and cheetera? "she was helping me fix my broke sword" lol he had to pause before sayin that lol..
this episode beats the other 5 by a long shot, it reminded me of the OS tower of traps episode. dont be surprise if they do a 5 yrs later ep and start from there. i can see it coming already. lol at panthro cant swim that was a shocker and when he told tygra to close his mouth you drooling is priceless..overall i can see myself re watching this ep over and over until next friday, im dying to see what the book has to say even thou liono said its blank was just a closure to the episode.

[nomad16]

that thundercat ship looked sick that the ancestor of tygra was piloting Id be curious to see a toy made out of that!!!!

[RydenJager]

Ok I was very impressed with last night's episode! I love the little moment between Lion-O and Cheetara, and when WilyKat and Kit butted in!!

During the flashback it was so cool to see a young Cladus (OMG, he looks just like Asch the Bloody from Tales of the Abyss!!!) And I'm guessing that the Tygrus guy was Tygra's father. It makes sense.

Oh and the "journey" to the tower, talk about perilous!! And wait, Panthro can't swim!?!? Didn't see that coming.

Then the race to the top of the tower! When Cheetara was to doing her little run, loved Tygra's face, haha! Then Lion-O and Mumm-Ra face off! I almost believed that Mumm-Ra had won for a second, but then that would totally suck! But thanks to Jaga's sacrafice, he was forced to retreat. Then here comes the moment we have all waited for, the contents of the Book of Omens!!!

When Lion-O opened the book, I mumbled: "I bet it's blank!" AND HOLY CRAP I WAS RIGHT!!! Major cliffhanger!

Anyways another awesome episode, so keep them coming!!!!!!!!

[Pinero]

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Originally Posted by nomad16

that thundercat ship looked sick that the ancestor of tygra was piloting Id be curious to see a toy made out of that!!!!

seriously doubt it, that was a flashback scene so they not going to make a trygrus or nothing from the flashback, i even doubt they will make peletars into toys lol

[Shadowknight1]

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Originally Posted by RydenJager

Ok I was very impressed with last night's episode! I love the little moment between Lion-O and Cheetara, and when WilyKat and Kit butted in!!

During the flashback it was so cool to see a young Cladus (OMG, he looks just like Asch the Bloody from Tales of the Abyss!!!) And I'm guessing that the Tygrus guy was Tygra's father. It makes sense.

Oh and the "journey" to the tower, talk about perilous!! And wait, Panthro can't swim!?!? Didn't see that coming.

Then the race to the top of the tower! When Cheetara was to doing her little run, loved Tygra's face, haha! Then Lion-O and Mumm-Ra face off! I almost believed that Mumm-Ra had won for a second, but then that would totally suck! But thanks to Jaga's sacrafice, he was forced to retreat. Then here comes the moment we have all waited for, the contents of the Book of Omens!!!

When Lion-O opened the book, I mumbled: "I bet it's blank!" AND HOLY CRAP I WAS RIGHT!!! Major cliffhanger!

Anyways another awesome episode, so keep them coming!!!!!!!!

As has been said, that wasn't Claudus or Tygra's father. Ancient ancestors from probably a good 1000 years ago or so.

Loved the episode, and I feel bad for Lion-O. That was definitely a "Dang, that just made it sound even more sexual" when he was telling the twins that Cheetara was only trying to help him get his sword working. The sword just needs some Thundera Viagra! lol

[RydenJager]

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Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

As has been said, that wasn't Claudus or Tygra's father. Ancient ancestors from probably a good 1000 years ago or so.

Loved the episode, and I feel bad for Lion-O. That was definitely a "Dang, that just made it sound even more sexual" when he was telling the twins that Cheetara was only trying to help him get his sword working. The sword just needs some Thundera Viagra! lol

Oh well, it looked like Cladus, I guess I didn't think about a time frame.

But yeah when I heard what Lion-O said, it definatly sounded like that! LOL

[DESTRO]

I really want a toy made ----> Hearse of the Ever Living!

[Tony_Bacala]

You mean the MummRaNK

[NinSage]

My 2 cents:

-Another awesome ep (I dub it "Indion-O Jones" =P )
-I'd like to see the Cheetara/Lion-O relationship continue to evolve
-Everyone got a moment to shine... the kids with the lock, Panthro going one-on-one with Mumm-Ra, Cheetara saving Jaga and then running up the tower(!!!!!), Tygra ambushing Mumm-Ra and then of course Lion-O's ... well... he tried hard to fight =)
-Loved the glimpses at the history with the (yes, very old) descendants of the cats working with Mumm-Ra.
-can't wait to find out what happens next time why the book is blank!!!

[Sesshomaru]

Wait wait WAIT!!! The eye of Thundra was a friggin red ruby stone stolen from an alien power generator by Mumm-Ra and his cats???? WTF? God, man I'm pissed. You know what? I'm done. Damn the writer and their show. So long, folks!

[Pravus Prime]

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Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

As has been said, that wasn't Claudus or Tygra's father. Ancient ancestors from probably a good 1000 years ago or so.

Try 5,000 years ago.

Really the timeline they're coming up with is interesting.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by Tony_Bacala

You mean the MummRaNK

Storm Charger

Named via Dan Norton in the Crew chat linked from their Tumblr last night.

[Jack-Pumpkinhead]

OK, finally get a chance to comment on the episode;

Great! Loved the Tower of Omens, very "Last Crusade" inspired. Mumm-Ra transforming was frakkin awesome! And Jaga sacrificng himself like that...wow.

Comedy wise, the Kittens continue to make me love them. "Why try keys when you can pick the lock?" Great. And Lion-O's bit about Cheetara helping him control the sword. Interesting euphemism (this will be on tvtropes, I'd bet money on that).

I'm curious as to why the flashback showed thundercats working for Mumm-Ra though. Very curious.

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by Jack-Pumpkinhead

I'm curious as to why the flashback showed thundercats working for Mumm-Ra though. Very curious.

They could have been allies back then, or had a common enemy that needed to be dealt with. Should be interesting to see what else gets revealed about the past.

[Hyper Jaguar]

I liked it. It was good to see the backstory Mumm-Ra and the ancestors of the ThunderCats. I also liked the fact that Panthro couldn't swim, it makes him more interesting in a unique way. I wonder if the Tower of Omens will be like the Cats Lair for the new series.

5/5

[GrimlocksPS]

I saw mentioned somewhere that the Book of Omens might be a IPad type device hence it being blank. that would be funny.

[Balgus82]

About The Thunderians working with Mumm-Ra in the flash back. I just assumed that he had tricked them into thinking he was a good guy. He had a habit of doing that in the OS.

[Wilyjo]

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Originally Posted by buma24

That was not Claudus or Tigras father. That was centurys before them.

Yes, I realized this halfway through the first page.

Specifically why I made the point to later on refer to him as their ancestor and not Claudus.

[Tracer]

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Originally Posted by DESTRO

I really want a toy made ----> Hearse of the Ever Living!

LOL

I hope they don't pull a Kung Fu Panda with the Book of Omens.

I will say one thing I really liked about the episode was that Cheetara really got her chance to shine,

[Beast Arrow]

Like others, I'm extremely intrigued as to the explanation why and how Mumm-Ra and the Thundercat ancestors worked together, and what that alien world they were attacking is. It would be very interesting if that world was indeed Brimstar (Mon*Star's planetary headquarters) from the Silverhawks show.

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Originally Posted by Sesshomaru

Wait wait WAIT!!! The eye of Thundra was a friggin red ruby stone stolen from an alien power generator by Mumm-Ra and his cats???? WTF? God, man I'm pissed. You know what? I'm done. Damn the writer and their show. So long, folks!

Only 6 episodes in so far, with so much more backstory to be told, and a minority is already getting disgruntled. Talk about rage quitting.

One complaint I see with this episode is Mumm-Ra and his sarcophagus tank (Storm Charger is the official name?). The only time he obviously does not need it is when he can FLY in his Ever Living form. However, in his decayed form, he's a glass cannon or squishy wizard: powerful magic attacks but quite fragile physically. In that form, he needs some way to get around, since he cannot fly in his decayed form (both 2011 and original series). That's where the tank comes in.

[Sideswipe80]

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Originally Posted by Pravus Prime

Try 5,000 years ago.

Really the timeline they're coming up with is interesting.

Where is the 5000 years ago coming from?

[Beast Arrow]

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Originally Posted by Sideswipe80

Where is the 5000 years ago coming from?

From an earlier post in this thread:

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

They've said in interviews that Mumm-Ra has known about the sword for 5000 years. And that flashback was obviously before the sword was made because they JUST got the stone. So it was at least 5000 years ago.

[SPLIT LIP]

Yeah, there's a big time gap between Mumm-Ra and the Cats' alliance, probably to give themselves a lot of wiggle room.

I like that there's a complex backstory to this. I also like the idea they once had a truce. And since nobody was especially happy and hugging back then, I doubt it was an easy one.

[BB Shockwave]

Wow. I was right when I suspected Mumm-Ra being an alien. Turns out, he is quite alike to Ra from the Stargate movie, enslaving a race (the Thundercats) to use as his soldiers in world conquest.

And, the Eye was a Warstone... not even belonged to the cats! This is getting more and more interesting.

I liked the interaction between Lion-O and Cheetara (she has more then trust in him, and he knowns it), the fact that the fearless Panthro is afraid of one thing, the kittens being usefull but still falling for a trick set for the greedy, and the fact that Mumm-Ra was not defeated easily in his first appearance. It took Jaga's (second) sacrifice to save Lion-O.

Oh and this line was awesome:

-"Haha! You are much like your father."
-"What could you know of my father?"
-"Only that I have killed him."

[ThundercatsRules]

This episode was awesome,epic,and really cool.

[FunderCat]

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Originally Posted by GrimlocksPS

I saw mentioned somewhere that the Book of Omens might be a IPad type device hence it being blank. that would be funny.

Steve Jags probably made it.

[Valdin]

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Originally Posted by Shenlon

Slept on it a bit last night and had some more thoughts.

In Ancient Egypt Cats were worshiped and revered , so Mumm-Ra being an ancient Pharaoh may tie in to their connection.

Or maybe the cats were a very primitive species and Mumm-Ra came down in his flying pyramid and they worshiped him like a God. He then takes advantage of their naivety and uses them for his personal goals

But one thing is really bothering me and maybe someone can shed some more light on this.

In the first or second episode, it is stated that there is a prophecy that their greatest king would come bearing the gift of sight beyond sight. Now the fans know this means Lion-O of course.

But if the indication of this great future king is the gift of sight beyond sight , then this would mean that this is something previous kings did not have or was very rare if they did.

But when Lion-O calls upon sight beyond sight , no one is surprised or even acts like it is all that impressive.

Also Mumm-Ras transformation was very lackluster , They could have made it a lot more impressive. Like they could have had it where the cats race up the stairs to the book of Omens. Then as they walk towards it Mummy Mumm-Rs floats down in front of it. Lion-O Says something like "You will never have the book Mumm-Ra , we will stop you" Then Mumm-Ra starts laughing evil and manically.

All of a sudden he starts his chant , the clouds outside the temple grow very dark and lightning starts billowing across the sky , purple smoke fills the air , and then he finishes "Mumm-Ra the Ever Living" and lightning crashes down in front of him as his form changes. His evil bat like wings extend as the cats have this look on their face . A Great billow of wind flies towards the cats , them having to shield their face with their arm , as a sign of his impressive power.

This is just something I thought of as I lay in bed lol.

Something that is getting to me just a little bit, The classic series had great music and themes that were very impactful. Look at star wars, you can hear music from it and know where it was from and it brings on nostalgia. Same goes here. Mumm-ra had a killer transformation from the classics, he did the chant and you heard the blaring theme coming in and you knew something amazing was happening. At the end they had their tender moment music snippent, there was the the end theme and the thrilling omg whats going on music. For this new show, it seems like they pulled back a bit. I don't know why, it made it something more special. Don't get me wrong, I love the new music, the throwback intro, etc.
This was an awesome episode. Indiana Jones indeed.

[ejrussell]

Well I'm in major disagreement with some folks here as far as Mumm-Ra's transformation was concerned: It freakin' rocked my socks. This is what we call a VILLAIN! This Mumm-Ra has, in his two major appearances, done more damage and has shown more evil than his 80's counterpart did in the ENTIRE ORIGINAL SERIES! I know some people still want some of that 80's charm and magic but honestly it's time to move on. The original will always be there for us and will always be great, so there is no reason that T-Cats 2011 can't be great too.

Now having said that, this episode was great! This is what tropers like to call a wham episode. This single episode has changed the entire course of the show from here on in. So many possibilities here in regards to Mumm-Ra's former alliance with the Cats, Jaga being deader than dead (possibly coming back as Ghost Jaga), the Book of Omens being blank (I'm putting my money on the idea that the book is some kind of hard drive or eReader. Just take a close look at that book and you'll see buttons instead of pages...). So yeah awesome episode! Oh and team LionArah FTW!

[Beast Arrow]

I'm starting to think that the world Mumm-Ra and the Thundercat ancestor attacked at least 5000 years prior is Brimstar from the Silverhawks show. I ran into this explanation on TVTropes, and it really fits.

* 1.) The world that was attacked in the flashback is red with a single moon. In Silverhawks, Brimstar is red with a single moon (the Moon-star):


* 2.) Word Of God (Producer Michael Jelenic): "It's possible Silverhawks could appear in this universe. Warner Bros.. owns the Silverhawks, they own the Tiger Sharks... it wouldn't be reaching to think that characters from both of those series might show up in this series. Mon-Star might make an appearance." From this interview.
* 3.) Both Silverhawks Big Bad Mon*Star and Mumm-Ra himself use a similar incantation to transform themselves into a more powerful being. This could also mean that the Ancient Spirits of Evil in the 2011 continuity is the same power Mon*Star calls upon to transform; Mumm-Ra just calls this power the "Ancient Spirits of Evil" because he learned how to invoke it so long ago.

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Originally Posted by ejrussell

Well I'm in major disagreement with some folks here as far as Mumm-Ra's transformation was concerned: It freakin' rocked my socks. This is what we call a VILLAIN! This Mumm-Ra has, in his two major appearances, done more damage and has shown more evil than his 80's counterpart did in the ENTIRE ORIGINAL SERIES! I know some people still want some of that 80's charm and magic but honestly it's time to move on. The original will always be there for us and will always be great, so there is no reason that T-Cats 2011 can't be great too.

I totally agree with this. Yes, the 80's Mumm-Ra has his nostalgic charm, but there are times I get sick of his stereotypical 80's gravelly inhuman voice that most 80's cartoon villains have, the painfully slow speed at which he speaks ("WHEREVER THERE IS...EVIL.....MUMM-RA....LIIIIVES! MUMM-RA LIIIIIIVES!!! MUMMMMMMM-RRRRAAAAAAAA...A-LIIIIIIIIIVES!!! AAAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA!!!!" "GIVE ME...THE FORM OF..DOCTOR DOMETONE...KEEPER OF...THE OCEANIC...PLUG!!!!"), and his ineptitude against the Thundercats with all the power and leniency the Ancient Spirits of Evil give him. I don't recall 80's Mumm-Ra EVER winning anything against the Thundercats. 2011 Mumm-Ra, however, has masterminded Thundera's downfall in the premiere, does not rely on his Ever-Living form to fight personally against the Thundercats (heck, he's shown to be a force to be reckoned with in his decayed form), and acts like a genuine villain rather than just a schemer like his 80's counterpart.

[Saint Phe]

I agree, Beast Arrow. I do miss the dramatic transformation a little, but overall the new Mumm-ra is a massive improvement over his classic counterpart.

[Beast Arrow]

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Originally Posted by Saint Phe

I agree, Beast Arrow. I do miss the dramatic transformation a little, but overall the new Mumm-ra is a massive improvement over his classic counterpart.

Nothing can beat the classic dramatic transformation sequence, but the 2011 Mumm-Ra's first transformation pays homage to the classic.



This is the same pose 80's Mumm-Ra does after he transforms, and you see this almost all the time in the transformation stock footage.

[BB Shockwave]

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Originally Posted by Sesshomaru

Wait wait WAIT!!! The eye of Thundra was a friggin red ruby stone stolen from an alien power generator by Mumm-Ra and his cats???? WTF? God, man I'm pissed. You know what? I'm done. Damn the writer and their show. So long, folks!

Yes, because this is so much worse then the old show where Thundera blows up, everyone else is killed, and the main characters don't show an ounce of sadness over this? Man, Batman has issues from losing his parents, Lion-O and the others are living fine on Third Earth not even mentioning their planet that blew up. I think it was in the 10th or so episode that they even re-visited Thundera and had Lion-O meet Claudus (and man, I am glad they redesigned that guy).

[nitewing73]

I'm enjoying how the story is slowly unfolding and that the backstory is being fleshed out. So is it safe to say that is Tygra's father, right? That was my thought when I first saw him and Claudus.

It's pretty interesting how there was some tech in Mumm-Ra's castle. So Claudus lied about believing in the tech and Mumm-Ra to Lion-O and Tygra? That's where I'm a little confused.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by nitewing73

So is it safe to say that is Tygra's father, right? That was my thought when I first saw him and Claudus.

No, and that was not Claudus. That flashback was over 5000 years ago.

[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by ejrussell

Well I'm in major disagreement with some folks here as far as Mumm-Ra's transformation was concerned: It freakin' rocked my socks. This is what we call a VILLAIN! This Mumm-Ra has, in his two major appearances, done more damage and has shown more evil than his 80's counterpart did in the ENTIRE ORIGINAL SERIES! I know some people still want some of that 80's charm and magic but honestly it's time to move on. The original will always be there for us and will always be great, so there is no reason that T-Cats 2011 can't be great too.

I think when most peopel say the transformation wasn't that great they mean animation wise. Both his forms are epic and as a villain he's still very cool if lacking a bit in charrisma.

[Balgus82]

Just in case there was any doubt:

"The two characters are are neither Claudus nor Tygra’s father."

Thundercats Crew Blog, Is there any way to get a time line for the flashbacks from the last episode? like

[RoftheHood]

If memory serves, in the original series the Sword of Omens was used to activate the book (and the ThunderScope in "The Last Day") perhaps it's the same for the new series??

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by RoftheHood

If memory serves, in the original series the Sword of Omens was used to activate the book (and the ThunderScope in "The Last Day") perhaps it's the same for the new series??

That's what I'm thinking. In the OS he used the sword to go inside the book.

[Monkian]

I think this is turning out to be an epic (and I'm not fond of the word epic, it's become ubiquitous in these types of forums) tale. Really couldn't be much more pleased with the way this entire reboot has been handled. Just a great, great re-imagining of Thundercats. Two thumbs up!

[buma24]

New episode 7 clip is just out. just like i said this happened a milenia ago