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Old 12-19-2011, 11:32 PM   #1501
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That came out of nowhere. Then she has the heart well intact after 8 years. BS.
if only we can know how many X-factors they have. Then we can kill it one by one with the possible scenarios for each X-factor
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:39 PM   #1502
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E13 ending was done so poorly. That taste will never go away.
The only way to start curing it is if we will see Lion-O/Cheetara shippy moments in the next couple episodes.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:42 PM   #1503
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If it is set in stone, I am done. Annet should have change his prediction to TC fans will feel betrayed by the writers.

I just don't think it is. They would not have wasted 12E and the actress would not have said L/C is evolving.

I have been setting myself up for the the worst possible, but my heart and head say that it is L/C. The first 12 episodes is what molded my thinking.
the first 12E also molded my thinking and brainwashed me into believing there was romance blooming between the two. the last episode pretty much crushed that idea into oblivion. this is why i don't prefer romance in any cartoon i choose to watch. because the writers subconsciously make the viewers invest in these shippings that when they pull a 180, it is as if we the viewers have been sucker punched really hard.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:45 PM   #1504
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the first 12E also molded my thinking and brainwashed me into believing there was romance blooming between the two. the last episode pretty much crushed that idea into oblivion. this is why i don't prefer romance in any cartoon i choose to watch. because the writers subconsciously make the viewers invest in these shippings that when they pull a 180, it is as if we the viewers have been sucker punched really hard.
I know how you feel, that's why I have made the possible scenario too if T/C is set in stone.
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:57 PM   #1505
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I hope the next and last x factor is L/C connection (yellow eyes).

Does anyone know when E14 comes out? I know 2012, but in Jan?
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Old 12-19-2011, 11:59 PM   #1506
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I hope the next and last x factor is L/C connection (yellow eyes).

Does anyone know when E14 comes out? I know 2012, but in Jan?
what I know so far is Early 2012, possibly mid January.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:01 AM   #1507
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I hope the next and last x factor is L/C connection (yellow eyes).
that will be a positive x-factor, hopefully from here on out we will get only positive x-factors and no more negative ones, or no x-factors at all.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:03 AM   #1508
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the first 12E also molded my thinking and brainwashed me into believing there was romance blooming between the two. the last episode pretty much crushed that idea into oblivion. this is why i don't prefer romance in any cartoon i choose to watch. because the writers subconsciously make the viewers invest in these shippings that when they pull a 180, it is as if we the viewers have been sucker punched really hard.
I know writers can do that, but I don't think they will do this to their fans. They spent a lot of money on this, they need to at least recoup the money.

Most animes are like this with the main male and female character.

I think there are keys to what actors and writers say.

I think what was said about investing in each episode you will get more, well that means E1-12 we are getting L/C. I don't think they want to waste that.

I know I was mad for the first two weeks, is just didn't make sense. If they both felt like that, why wait. How can cheetara have a heart intact after 8 year in her wrist band.

I think we will be happy with the next 3 episodes. If not, they have killed a lot of their fan base. You see the up roar, so far.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:05 AM   #1509
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I think we will be happy with the next 3 episodes. If not, they have killed a lot of their fan base. You see the up roar, so far.
And they knew about it, confirming it straight from the main source
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:06 AM   #1510
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that will be a positive x-factor, hopefully from here on out we will get only positive x-factors and no more negative ones, or no x-factors at all.
I hope.

I think a lot of people are not happy how it came out of nowhere and it did not make sense.

I really hope for the illusion. That will make sense.

If this is how cheetara felt, then same on her. She should kept lion-o at arms width.

If she did it for lion-o so tygra didn't betray him, I give her that, but she made it worse.

Lion-o still gets hurt, but the illusion works better.

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Old 12-20-2011, 12:08 AM   #1511
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Most animes are like this with the main male and female character.
is that what happen with the ship in Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Swordsman Battōsai?
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:11 AM   #1512
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Lion-o still gets hurt, but the illusion works better.
Yeah if only I can get some more confirmation about the illusion. how to twist the word so that I can trick him to give more clues about the triangle ya.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:15 AM   #1513
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is that what happen with the ship in Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Swordsman Battōsai?
Yes. You see a little love triangle, but it was never in question.

Kaoru helps Kenshin not to become the battosai. She is in a way like Cheetara helping lion-o.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:17 AM   #1514
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Yes. You see a little love triangle, but it was never in question.

Kaoru helps Kenshin not to become the battosai. She is in a way like Cheetara helping lion-o.
but in a less romantic way than Cheetara?
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:17 AM   #1515
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is that what happen with the ship in Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Swordsman Battōsai?
You will see weak male lead gets help by a strong female leads. The male lead becomes stronger in the end and the relationship with the female lead becomes a romance.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:19 AM   #1516
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but in a less romantic way than Cheetara?
No, not even close. Kaoru would be embarrassed. Cheetara was all about lion-o.

Yes. She is not aggressive.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:19 AM   #1517
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You will see weak male lead gets help by a strong female leads. The male lead becomes stronger in the end and the relationship with the female lead becomes a romance.
but they did not hookup? only 50% hookup?
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:22 AM   #1518
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Yeah if only I can get some more confirmation about the illusion. how to twist the word so that I can trick him to give more clues about the triangle ya.
I know I said it, but it works the best. I would make sense of the dialogue at the end.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:24 AM   #1519
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but they did not hookup? only 50% hookup?
They do hook up, but some don't. If is is a shoujo, there is suppose to be no rommance. You know like bleach, naruto, or Dr grey-man.

Most animes are 13 episodes, unless they sell well.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:24 AM   #1520
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I know I said it, but it works the best. I would make sense of the dialogue at the end.
yeah almost everyone here wanted the illusion thing, because it is the best choice, and it does not conflict with anything at all.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:24 AM   #1521
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And they knew about it, confirming it straight from the main source
Thanks.

I think they expected it.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:26 AM   #1522
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They do hook up, but some don't. If is is a shoujo, there is suppose to be no rommance. You know like bleach, naruto, or Dr grey-man.

Most animes are 13 episodes, unless they sell well.
thanks for the info, I am sure to ask you again if I have more question about anime.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:28 AM   #1523
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yeah almost everyone here wanted the illusion thing, because it is the best choice, and it does not conflict with anything at all.
It will not make cheetara look bad. There are going to be fans that think she is shady. I just don't think she is that type of person.

That cheetara said everything tygra wanted to hear.

The heart is a give away, unless I am wrong.

It would make sense, because tygra just used the SoO.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:29 AM   #1524
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Thanks.

I think they expected it.
If I keep on asking questions to him through her, it will annoy him definitely.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:29 AM   #1525
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thanks for the info, I am sure to ask you again if I have more question about anime.
Depends on what genre. Anime is becoming more Ecchi. It use to be about good writing, but that is not what Japan wants.

Ask me anytime.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:31 AM   #1526
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If I keep on asking questions to him through her, it will annoy him definitely.
I would hope he understands and she does too.

No answer to the cheetara loves tygra and the other stuff you gathered makes me think L/C will happen.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:33 AM   #1527
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but they did not hookup? only 50% hookup?
Are you asking about Kenshin?

It is implied that they did. I don't know how the manga ended. That is where the anime is from.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:43 AM   #1528
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Are you asking about Kenshin?

It is implied that they did. I don't know how the manga ended. That is where the anime is from.
ya I am asking aboout Kenshin, so the manga followed the story from the anime?
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:47 AM   #1529
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I would hope he understands and she does too.

No answer to the cheetara loves tygra and the other stuff you gathered makes me think L/C will happen.
Problem is all the crew is like under oath from WB, cannot spill the beans, even if you managed to ask them directly.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:52 AM   #1530
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Depends on what genre. Anime is becoming more Ecchi. It use to be about good writing, but that is not what Japan wants.
you mean the harem thing that's happening with anime nowdays?
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:01 AM   #1531
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ya I am asking aboout Kenshin, so the manga followed the story from the anime?
100% hook up at the end.

Manga is writen first, then anime.

They are now making more animes from games.

Some animes to not follow the manga. Fullmetal Alchemist is a good example. The first one didn't follow the manga, the second one did.

Claymore (I like) did follow the anime until the end. The manga is still going.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:02 AM   #1532
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Problem is all the crew is like under oath from WB, cannot spill the beans, even if you managed to ask them directly.
Makes sense. They would spoil a lot.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:08 AM   #1533
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you mean the harem thing that's happening with anime nowdays?
Ecchi is is an often used slang term in the Japanese language for erotic fantasy and sexual innuendoes. A lot of the anime that is coming out is like that. High School of the dead is a good example. I didn't care for it. They can write a good story without ecchi.

Not all harems are like that. Clanned is a good one. Good story.

It seems like animes today coming out is trying to make all the genres happy.

Yaoi, Yuri, ecchi, action, sports, mecha, fantasy, adventrue, magic girl, and Josie. There are more. It seems like every anime has a bath springs episode.

But, you will see the M/F leads interact just like L/C.
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Old 12-20-2011, 09:14 AM   #1534
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So what will the new alliance be?

TC forming a new alliance or Mummra getting other cats to join him?
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:09 AM   #1535
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So what will the new alliance be?

TC forming a new alliance or Mummra getting other cats to join him?
i hope both TC and mum-ra get some new faces to change up the dynamic of the series. especially the TC. i hope liono breaks off from the group for some alone time, he needs it. the writers should have him leave for a couple of episodes. then maybe the other cats might start needing him now. at least since everyone has somebody as of now, he should go solo.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:25 AM   #1536
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i hope both TC and mum-ra get some new faces to change up the dynamic of the series. especially the TC. i hope liono breaks off from the group for some alone time, he needs it. the writers should have him leave for a couple of episodes. then maybe the other cats might start needing him now. at least since everyone has somebody as of now, he should go solo.
Have faith, L/C is just starting. I know I was very upset with how the writers did that. If E13 is the end of any L/C, I am done. That would tell me, the writers can pull crap out of their butts in one episode. Lion-o needs cheetara just like leo needed Panthera.

Mummra needs something to one up the TC. I hope he gets something that will beat the TC. I think he will get the stone from lion-o.

I think a lot of fans want him to go solo after what happen. If he went solo, everyone would barely get any screen time.

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Old 12-20-2011, 11:01 AM   #1537
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Have faith, L/C is just starting. I know I was very upset with how the writers did that. If E13 is the end of any L/C, I am done. That would tell me, the writers can pull crap out of their butts in one episode. Lion-o needs cheetara just like leo needed Panthera.

Mummra needs something to one up the TC. I hope he gets something that will beat the TC. I think he will get the stone from lion-o.

I think a lot of fans want him to go solo after what happen. He he went solo, everyone would barely get any screen time.
what if liono finds another female support character that closely resembles the one from legacy. then what does that do for cheetara's role and relationship with liono.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:45 PM   #1538
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what if liono finds another female support character that closely resembles the one from legacy. then what does that do for cheetara's role and relationship with liono.
I don't think it will happen, but I think her role of a cleric would be obsolete. She would become a minor character IMO.

If legacy would have had Panthera as a cheetah, then E13 would not have such a impact on us and lion-o. We would have brushed it off, because we know L/C was going to happen. They did that to throw us off. I think how Panthera treated Leo was clues on how Cheetara has treated Lion-o and their future.

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Old 12-20-2011, 03:05 PM   #1539
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Problem is all the crew is like under oath from WB, cannot spill the beans, even if you managed to ask them directly.
You are right, but they did answer about lion-o loves cheetara.

I think they would've had no probelm saying love is a strong word for cheetara too, unless that wasn't cheetara.
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Old 12-20-2011, 04:03 PM   #1540
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You are right, but they did answer about lion-o loves cheetara.

I think they would've had no probelm saying love is a strong word for cheetara too, unless that wasn't cheetara.
or it could be that cheetara doesn't love liono yet or not. there are so many vague info going around that i don't know what to believe.
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or it could be that cheetara doesn't love liono yet or not. there are so many vague info going around that i don't know what to believe.
I don't know what level cheetara feelings are for Lion-o, but she likes him. She would not have interact the way she did, follow him, or showed herself in E1. Clerics as we know from E1-2, don't show themselves.

The crew confirm that Lion-o has feelings for cheetara. They were trying to ask and see if the crew would clarify how cheetara felt about tygra. To me, if she likes him, the crew would say that. They didn't say anything and she asked after E13. I could be wrong, but that is telling.

If that is the real cheetara at the end of E13, then she likes tygra too.

It is hard to figure it out, because of E12 and E13. It was done on purpose, but what for.

The main writer said if you invest in each episode, you will get more out of it. I invested in E1-E12, and I got Cheetara likes lion-o a lot. But E13 on the surface looks like it caused a lot of problems. Cheetara's actress said L/C are evolving. To me that means they are growing in their relationship.

It is hard, because we have to wait so long for E14. We know the writer said we will find out why cheetara follows lion-o. Just as we get a flashback for tygra, this might be a flashback for cheetara. This would be good. We might find out why cheetara likes lion-o.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:16 PM   #1542
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You are right, but they did answer about lion-o loves cheetara.

I think they would've had no probelm saying love is a strong word for cheetara too, unless that wasn't cheetara.
They didn't have problem saying Lion-O has feelings for Cheetara, because WB already green lighted that spoil, as Jelenic said. All questions asked to them must be greenlighted by WB first to allow the crew to spoil it or to answer it. It's not like the crew did not want to answer our questions.

The crew could lost their jobs if they spoiled something that's not greenlighted, can be considered breach of work contract by WB. Darn it we are stuck with the investigation, unless I can get more data.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:22 PM   #1543
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what if liono finds another female support character that closely resembles the one from legacy. then what does that do for cheetara's role and relationship with liono.
That will be insulting to Lion-O. He is the main character, he should get a A-list female character not B-list or below, and it will cheapen the story. Besides they do this to make the triangle more complicated. And I don't think Lion-O will give up Cheetara, His feelings for her is strong, like they said. Unless they will make Lion-O OOC, the dreaded x-factor again.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:27 PM   #1544
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or it could be that cheetara doesn't love liono yet or not. there are so many vague info going around that i don't know what to believe.
She is attracted to Lion-O that is certain The Actress interview spoiled that with what she said and with her shippy laughs, that's really telling and the OS Lion-O voice actor's comments, he is clearly a Lion-O/Cheetara fan and he assures the thunderdads will like the new show, and most of the Thunderdads statistically wanted Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pumyra. Assuming the dreaded scene was true, Cheetara did not say "I love you" to Tygra either, so her feelings for both brothers are the same, might even more to Lion-O as she is quite active with Lion-O. Otherwise she can answer Tygra's flirting all those past years and really try a relationship with him.

Should Tygra is not that jealous to Lion-O until cheetara notices it's hurting him that much, the triangle will just keep on going. This flip in the triangle scale might actually help Lion-O alot in the wrong run, making him grow more like a man, and realizing her feelings for Cheetara. Also knowing Cheetara's character as per her actress said about the highest good thing, at the worst case scenario she will not reject Lion-O's feelings.

Of course all of these not counting the dreaded x-factor.

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They didn't have problem saying Lion-O has feelings for Cheetara, because WB already green lighted that spoil, as Jelenic said. All questions asked to them must be greenlighted by WB first to allow the crew to spoil it or to answer it. It's not like the crew did not want to answer our questions.

The crew could lost their jobs if they spoiled something that's not greenlighted, can be considered breach of work contract by WB. Darn it we are stuck with the investigation, unless I can get more data.
That was my point. If E13 is the real cheetara, then wouldn't that mean she likes him. Than it would not be a spoiler, but if it is the illusion, than it would be a spoiler.

Here something I was thinking about.

Two other signs that could support the illusion.

1. Which has been discussed, How did cheetara know what happen in the AP. All she knew was about Annet predictions.

2. When Tygra said you already chosed. How did she know what he was talking about. She didn't hear them in the TT or when she was sleeping.

Everything cheetara said, is what tygra wanted to hear. I could be wrong, but some things don't add up.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:51 PM   #1546
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That was my point. If E13 is the real cheetara, then wouldn't that mean she likes him.

Here something I was thinking about.

Two other signs that could support the illusion.

1. Which has been discussed, How did cheetara know what happen in the AP. All she knew was about Annet predictions.

2. When Tygra said you already chosed. How did she know what he was talking about. She didn't hear them in the TT or when she was sleeping.

Everything cheetara said, is what tygra wanted to hear. I could be wrong, but some things don't add up.
All of that are true, there's this odd feeling with that ending scene. Even one reviewer a Tygra/Cheetara fan said so too.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:55 PM   #1547
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The ending to that last episode was like a weird dream, where you wake up and think "that didn't make any sense"!
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:58 PM   #1548
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The ending to that last episode was like a weird dream, where you wake up and think "that didn't make any sense"!
So true. It's "What the hell" moment and it hurts your digestion.

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Old 12-20-2011, 06:04 PM   #1549
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That was my point. If E13 is the real cheetara, then wouldn't that mean she likes him. Than it would not be a spoiler, but if it is the illusion, than it would be a spoiler.
Definitely a very good point. If that was the real cheetara they could say yes she has feelings for Tygra too at the very least. since we have seen that blasted ending anyway.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:05 PM   #1550
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The ending to that last episode was like a weird dream, where you wake up and think "that didn't make any sense"!
You know. Nothing added up.

From the heart being intact, to not knowing about making her feelings clear, to knowing what happen to them in the AP, knowing what he was talking about chosing, and the prediction "lion-o will feel betrayed by his brother".

Nothing about cheetara.

If cheetara knew what happen in the AP, she would have gone to lion-o first.

Tygra showed for the first time his illusion power that is real, could be sign of things to come like the ending?

Cheetara dropped the flower and she was exhausted and dehydrated. It probably took her a while to get back on her feet. The flower would have been gone. How can it be intact if it is in her wrist band.

If she knew that she was apart of the problem why make it worse.

To me the illusion sounds 70%.

Being removed for a while from that seen has made me think more logical about it.

There is no way in the world a writer could make so many holes.
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