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I grew up in southern California. Culturally, cheek kissing is considered a form of greeting in some families. Oh, and I've kissed my brother on the cheek, sisters too. Grandma too. Friends too (male and female) Everybody.
Basically, I think it was played vague enough for the audience to argue over if she was into him or not. The reason I got stereotype-y is because, "women only do XYZ if their interested" is a stereotype. I wanted your input on the whole dependent v Alpha Male, and how it is viewed when it comes to being stereotypical. Quote:
I grew up in the midwest, we're a bit less touchy-feely there. I have to say though that, given the stated goal of having a love triangle, I think the writers wanted it to be taken romantically. I think it was a bit of a troll on their part. Oh, we do kiss our family on the cheek sometimes. Friends though is unusual. Not unheard of, but unusual.
I understand, I wasn't mad about the stereotype just saying. I agree that usually you expect the alpha-male/dependent female thing in a show like this, so one could argue that the cheetara behavior wasn't standard romantic behavior. It's hard to say, but I would guess what you've got here is a stereotype that's breaking. Because I DO believe the authors intended those scenes to be romantic, even if it was a red herring. But you're right in that it would be an unusual media romance with an older, more capable female being romantically involved with a younger, more immature male character. Not standard children's show romance. Although I guess that's basically what it was with Aang and Katara in Avatar as well. Though everyone in that show was young. I really wish they would have aged up every character in that show by 2 to 3 years, all of the character interactions would have made more sense. That's basically what they're doing in Legend of Korra though, so yay. Only time I see people that way are people who have been friends for a while and they know where they stand. Last edited by L08e16o; 04-09-2012 at 11:56 AM.. |
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That is what happens in love triangles, two females fighting over a guy. Wasn't there a show called Tenchi in the 90s that did this. Last edited by L08e16o; 04-09-2012 at 12:05 PM.. |
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actually Tenchi had 6 women fighting over him... lucky b*stard...
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Totally agree. I think pumyra is there to flesh out cheetara. I think she will make cheetara jealous. I think lion-o and pumyra will be good friends.
Pumyra is not going to join the group. This is about the cast hey have now. It would be a insult to women. It would show her only role is a love interest. |
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I have seen these types of stories unfold in more adult orientated Anime's and it can work if done in good taste, but it just doesn't seem to fit in with the Thundercats. Honestly, moving the NS to Sat mornings was the best thing they could have done however they need to think about the age group they are targeting here, and if that age group is truly going to tune in to Thundercats to find out what guy gets the girl, or for the fantasy / adventure and some of the coolest characters ever created.
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Keep in mind that's explanation, not justification. Last edited by SirSapphire; 04-09-2012 at 05:28 PM.. |
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I have seen these types of stories unfold in more adult orientated Anime's and it can work if done in good taste, but it just doesn't seem to fit in with the Thundercats. Honestly, moving the NS to Sat mornings was the best thing they could have done however they need to think about the age group they are targeting here, and if that age group is truly going to tune in to Thundercats to find out what guy gets the girl, or for the fantasy / adventure and some of the coolest characters ever created.
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Not for Jelenic though. It's "crystal clear" for him
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They had depth. Who wants to hook up with someone that looks like their mom. Gross. Last edited by L08e16o; 04-09-2012 at 06:29 PM.. |
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What is up with pic 116 of episode 16.
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Totally agree. I think pumyra is there to flesh out cheetara. I think she will make cheetara jealous. I think lion-o and pumyra will be good friends.
Pumyra is not going to join the group. This is about the cast hey have now. It would be a insult to women. It would show her only role is a love interest. I think that bringing in the new thundercats helps it lose it's basically power rangers group nature and get a bit more of a fantasy feel with a slightly more random group. Sadly, I have a sneaking suspicion you are right. |
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Let's face it, a LARGE part of the target audience for this series is older fans who remember the original series. They put in things like the triangle for our benefit. If they made the show just for kids, they would lose a lot of their older fanbase, and they know that.
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You notice Ron and Hermione were always together during the summers. Ron and Hermione got the develpment. Even if you didn't like the pairs, at least Ron and Hermione grew up together and develop their feelings for each other.
They had depth. Who wants to hook up with someone that looks like their mom. Gross. Also, I always liked Harry's interactions with Hermione more than his with Ron and wish they would have gotten together, but I wasn't very invested in any of the romances in that series, so I didn't really care either way. |
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Not for Jelenic though. It's "crystal clear" for him
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Let's face it, a LARGE part of the target audience for this series is older fans who remember the original series. They put in things like the triangle for our benefit. If they made the show just for kids, they would lose a lot of their older fanbase, and they know that.
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From one of my researches back then, Jelenic did say the focus will be on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. So not a high chance Pumyra will join the group permanently, I think.
Geektress ThunderCats 2011 What was the creative process like for ThunderCats? ThunderCats has got like, 150 episodes. It's impossible to watch every -- well, it's not impossible, but I would have to devote like a year of my life to watching every single episode. You try to find the iconic episodes, the fan's favorite episodes, and watch those. I'm all about the iconic stuff. So the secondary characters won't make it in to an episode right off the bat, I want to focus on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. Once we build that world with those characters, then that's when we can go back and look at whether it's time to put in Lynx-O or Pumyra -- some of those more obscure characters. The best thing I find for understanding what clicks about a character is usually going to the fan boards and seeing them argue over characters. People go crazy over that stuff. That's where I usually see what the hardcore fanbase is into. Sometimes I check the fan pages a little too late for my own good, and find out "OH! I shouldn't have done that." _______________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint. Last edited by cmangund; 04-09-2012 at 09:56 PM.. |
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New fans who will hopefully be drawn in by the product itself, and original fans who will hopefully come back for nostalgia. I would argue vehemently the triangle is for the second. I can't imagine my 8 year old nephew being particularly interested in who Cheetara shacks up with. This is why I believe these 80s revivals haven't been resounding successes, I think their fanbase is too segregated. Something like The Last Airbender didn't have to worry about appeasing two very separate groups of fans, they just made a general kind of show and lucked out appealing to everyone. |
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Indeed! Jelenic's true sinister plot, he had "flower" for T/C to happen, maybe later with Lion-O's "soul sacrifice thing" for L/C to happen and later with Jelenic's "I am your boss thing" for J/C to happen in the end.
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From one of my researches back then, Jelenic did say the focus will be on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. So not a high chance Pumyra will join the group permanently, I think.
Geektress ThunderCats 2011 What was the creative process like for ThunderCats? ThunderCats has got like, 150 episodes. It's impossible to watch every -- well, it's not impossible, but I would have to devote like a year of my life to watching every single episode. You try to find the iconic episodes, the fan's favorite episodes, and watch those. I'm all about the iconic stuff. So the secondary characters won't make it in to an episode right off the bat, I want to focus on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. Once we build that world with those characters, then that's when we can go back and look at whether it's time to put in Lynx-O or Pumyra -- some of those more obscure characters. The best thing I find for understanding what clicks about a character is usually going to the fan boards and seeing them argue over characters. People go crazy over that stuff. That's where I usually see what the hardcore fanbase is into. Sometimes I check the fan pages a little too late for my own good, and find out "OH! I shouldn't have done that." |
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In the end the Brothers are 100% finished with their feud, as they are both realized now they were being played by both Jelenic and Cheetara all along...
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I have a feeling you're right, but I can hope that they changed their minds. I always hated when the 90s X-men cartoon would have a character appear for one or two episodes and not join the team (Colossus, I'm looking at you). I can understand not wanting to overload your cast, but Thundercats doesn't have that huge of a cast. My other reasons I already stated.
Anything can happen with this NS TCATS "unpredictability and crazy mood swings"... ![]() _______________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint. Last edited by cmangund; 04-09-2012 at 07:27 PM.. |
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Mumm-ra will also join Lion-O and Tygra's cause of banishing Jelenic and Cheetara, the true masterminds of evil.
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I have a feeling you're right, but I can hope that they changed their minds. I always hated when the 90s X-men cartoon would have a character appear for one or two episodes and not join the team (Colossus, I'm looking at you). I can understand not wanting to overload your cast, but Thundercats doesn't have that huge of a cast. My other reasons I already stated.
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From one of my researches back then, Jelenic did say the focus will be on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. So not a high chance Pumyra will join the group permanently, I think.
Geektress ThunderCats 2011 What was the creative process like for ThunderCats? ThunderCats has got like, 150 episodes. It's impossible to watch every -- well, it's not impossible, but I would have to devote like a year of my life to watching every single episode. You try to find the iconic episodes, the fan's favorite episodes, and watch those. I'm all about the iconic stuff. So the secondary characters won't make it in to an episode right off the bat, I want to focus on Lion-O, Tygra, Cheetara, Panthro, WilyKit and WilyKat, Snarf, Mumm-Ra. Once we build that world with those characters, then that's when we can go back and look at whether it's time to put in Lynx-O or Pumyra -- some of those more obscure characters. The best thing I find for understanding what clicks about a character is usually going to the fan boards and seeing them argue over characters. People go crazy over that stuff. That's where I usually see what the hardcore fanbase is into. Sometimes I check the fan pages a little too late for my own good, and find out "OH! I shouldn't have done that." We still have a lot to learn about the rest of the cast and we need to know more about the past. |
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Bare minimum I would like Pumyra for the simple fact that it splits the 'femaleness' up so that you don't have to have Cheetara be 'team girl' in every single plot. And the others would be nice simply because they don't fit so easily into the 'five man band' stereotypes from tvtropes |
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You notice Ron and Hermione were always together during the summers. Ron and Hermione got the develpment. Even if you didn't like the pairs, at least Ron and Hermione grew up together and develop their feelings for each other.
They had depth. Who wants to hook up with someone that looks like their mom. Gross. |
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Fair enough, I just find the base thundercats cast kind of boring. Very power rangerish in its composition. I don't feel the need to know that much about the other cast. Unlike a lot of team shows, thundercats does have a main character, Lion-o. So i like to have different people to interact with Lion-o in different ways.
Bare minimum I would like Pumyra for the simple fact that it splits the 'femaleness' up so that you don't have to have Cheetara be 'team girl' in every single plot. And the others would be nice simply because they don't fit so easily into the 'five man band' stereotypes from tvtropes |
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Besides, Lion-O will need an army to take down Mumm-Ra, the more the merrier. |
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It also helps that thanks to the internet and the instant feedback it provides the showrunners now have a better idea of a character's popularity than they did in the eighties and can adjust accordingly. Pumyra was underused in the old series because the producers didn't really know what to do with her (the already had two girls! Why do we need more in a boy's action series?) and they thought no one really cared about her. Nowadays things are different, and it's easier to gauge which characters are fan-favorites and give them an extra chance to shine. One of the first questions asked when the new series was announced was "Are Pumyra/Bengali/Lynx-O in it?" and even before the revelation of Tygra/Cheetarah there were Lion-O/Pumyra shippers at work.
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Here's hoping you're right. I think a lot of people would like to see new takes on those three. It would be nice if they could get more seasons and build the mythology. Look at the sheer number of characters that Transformers has. I'm not saying we need 517 Thundercats, but you can do a kids show with a larger cast.
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"Besides, Lion-O will need an army to take down Mumm-Ra, the more the merrier."
Really? He was doing just fine with a spirit stone and the sword of omens. ![]() The good news is though is that the original show had many McGuffins they could give Mummra to even the playing field (IE more spirit stones or the treasures of Thundera) My concern with adding Pumyra to the main cast would be.....why? With only the generals and a few remaining lizard soldiers on his side, it shouldn't take more than the Thundercat Rangers to defeat him. ![]() |
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"Besides, Lion-O will need an army to take down Mumm-Ra, the more the merrier."
Really? He was doing just fine with a spirit stone and the sword of omens. ![]() The good news is though is that the original show had many McGuffins they could give Mummra to even the playing field (IE more spirit stones or the treasures of Thundera) My concern with adding Pumyra to the main cast would be.....why? With only the generals and a few remaining lizard soldiers on his side, it shouldn't take more than the Thundercat Rangers to defeat him. ![]() Or do we want the villain to be more powerful than he's ever been, and the heroes to need all of their power, and all of their allies, and possibly even more to defeat him? Also, I'd like to imagine the show can pull out some new villains (those moon people, don't remember their name) or some kind of twist and continue. I hope it doesn't end that soon. Depends on its success though. |
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Totally agree. I think pumyra is there to flesh out cheetara. I think she will make cheetara jealous. I think lion-o and pumyra will be good friends.
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Right, but he's also hurt and angry and he probably justifies it by telling himself "oh, he'll find a way out." If he had his head in the right place he would have never gambled with Tygra's life, so while it is out of character there is a reason for it. Speaking from experience, we can all act contrary to our nature when out head is screwed up.
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I don't think the writing is going to dig that deep . The past can be summed up in a matter of seconds in flashbacks so there is a lot of room for new characters
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It also helps that thanks to the internet and the instant feedback it provides the showrunners now have a better idea of a character's popularity than they did in the eighties and can adjust accordingly. Pumyra was underused in the old series because the producers didn't really know what to do with her (the already had two girls! Why do we need more in a boy's action series?) and they thought no one really cared about her. Nowadays things are different, and it's easier to gauge which characters are fan-favorites and give them an extra chance to shine. One of the first questions asked when the new series was announced was "Are Pumyra/Bengali/Lynx-O in it?" and even before the revelation of Tygra/Cheetarah there were Lion-O/Pumyra shippers at work.
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I was not very impressed with this episode at all. To be honest I was pretty disappointed. It's like this episode was thrown together. Also why is Mumm-Ra such a loser now? I'd say the writers need to let the villains develop as much as Lion-O does because I'm not sure I can take seeing the Thundercats get cheap wins so easily.
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Hardcore Lion-O + L/C Fan
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: In the timeline where L/C already happened
Posts: 1,924
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![]() ![]() _______________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint. |
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