Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is going to be a OVA not aired on tv.

A bit "too mature" for kids

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree, lion-o will be king of 3rd earth, but tygra can have his own destiny.

I would like tygra to get a bone, I don't think he will get cheetara at the end. I hope he has a kingdom with his own family outside of thunderia.

I think their destinies are forever intertwined. I don't think either of them will get her. Tygra will always want thundera

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I think their destinies are forever intertwined. I don't think either of them will get her. Tygra will always want thundera

Which is kinda pitiful, since there's not much of Thundera left!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I think their destinies are forever intertwined. I don't think either of them will get her. Tygra will always want thundera

I would agree if this was not a hero story. This story is about lion-o not tygra.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I would agree if this was not a hero story. This story is about lion-o not tygra.

Exactly. Lion-O is the A-List Male Cat

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

They could have split off, maybe this tribe would be tygrus offsprings.

Then i think they would be the ones constantly trying to conquer thundera.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I would agree if this was not a hero story. This story is about lion-o not tygra.

The greatest adversary to a young hero is one who he has never beaten

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Which is kinda pitiful, since there's not much of Thundera left!

New thundera then

[cmangund]

They could also expand on the betrayal bit, it's not just Tygra that betray Lion-O but the entire Tyger clan betray the Lion Clan that started way back as suggested by Stormbringer way back. So the Reason Cladus adopted Tygra to ensure peace between Tyger Clan and Lion Clan. and no more future betrayal from tyger clan to the lion clan.

The betrayal Could be antoher long story arc, Cheetara just happened to get caught in a much bigger plot, thus the writers tie the triangle with the plot with aNet's prediction. which is the more reason in Ep14 will definetly go more to Lion-O/Cheetara.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I think their destinies are forever intertwined. I don't think either of them will get her. Tygra will always want thundera

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

The greatest adversary to a young hero is one who he has never beaten

Well we know Mummra definately doesn't meet that criteria!

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Well we know Mummra definately doesn't meet that criteria!

poor, poor Mumm-Ra You need to step up the game dude!

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They could also expand on the betrayal bit, it's not just Tygra that betray Lion-O but the entire Tyger clan betray the Lion Clan that started way back as suggested by Stormbringer way back. So the Reason Cladus adopted Tygra to ensure peace between Tyger Clan and Lion Clan. and no more future betrayal from tyger clan to the lion clan.

So then, that means that Lion-o and Tygra would have to work out their differences, to maintain peace on third earth.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

So then, that means that Lion-o and Tygra would have to work out their differences, to maintain peace on third earth.

Could be antoher long story arc, Cheetara just happened to get caught in a much bigger plot, thus the writers tie the triangle with the plot. which is the more reason in Ep14 will definetly go more to Lion-O/Cheetara.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They could also expand on the betrayal bit, it's not just Tygra that betray Lion-O but the entire Tyger clan betray the Lion Clan that started way back as suggested by Stormbringer way back. So the Reason Cladus adopted Tygra to ensure peace between Tyger Clan and Lion Clan. and no more future betrayal from tyger clan to the lion clan.

A darkseid new genesis plot but grune is also a tiger

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

A darkseid new genesis plot but grune is also a tiger

Something like that, why not? Grune and Tygra are a "Couple" anyway.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Then i think they would be the ones constantly trying to conquer thundera.

They might have been. What destoryed cheetara's people.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Exactly. Lion-O is the A-List Male Cat

Lion-o is the only lion and cheetara is the only cheetah

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

The greatest adversary to a young hero is one who he has never beaten

I agree. I am just saying this is a classic hero story.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They could also expand on the betrayal bit, it's not just Tygra that betray Lion-O but the entire Tyger clan betray the Lion Clan that started way back as suggested by Stormbringer way back. So the Reason Cladus adopted Tygra to ensure peace between Tyger Clan and Lion Clan. and no more future betrayal from tyger clan to the lion clan.

Good idea.

Tigers wouldn't always attack due to the SoO.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Something like that, why not? Grune and Tygra are a "Couple" anyway.

It's been staring me in the face all this time, Grune is Tygras father!!!

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

It's been staring me in the face all this time, Grune is Tygras father!!!

Could be. Good deduction stormbringer.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree. I am just saying this is a classic hero story.

In most classic hero stories they are betrayed most of he time "mostly by family" and half the time they don't get the girl because she always takes the fall or bullet for him

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

It's been staring me in the face all this time, Grune is Tygras father!!!

i joked about that way back in this thread

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Could be. Good deduction stormbringer.

We know that the show takes some elements from different myths/movies, I could definately see Tygra/Grune having a Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader revelation.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

In most classic hero stories they are betrayed most of he time "mostly by family" and half the time they don't get the girl because she always takes the fall or bullet for him

True, but in this case the Classic "hero's story" aimed mostly for younger kids, officially 6-11.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

We know that the show takes some elements from different myths/movies, I could definately see Tygra/Grune having a Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader revelation.

Grune might kept it the dark, because Caludus told him too, or Grune himself did not know that, until Bengali and the clan explain it to Tygra.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

In most classic hero stories they are betrayed most of he time "mostly by family" and half the time they don't get the girl because she always takes the fall or bullet for him

That is the first I heard of that.

Every story the main lead get the gets the main female. In a classical hero story.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Grune might kept it the dark, because Caludus told him too, or Grune himself did not know that, until Bengali and the clan explain it to Tygra.

Can you imagine tygra's face.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Could be. Good deduction stormbringer.

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Grune might kept it the dark, because Caludus told him too, or Grune himself did not know that, until Bengali and the clan explain it to Tygra.

That could give Tygra some issues. It was bad enough when Grune was just Tygras "hero" and killed his father. But to learn that Grune actually was his biological father...

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

That could give Tygra some issues. It was bad enough when Grune was just Tygras "hero" and killed his father. But to learn that Grune actually was his biological father...

Which is excactly why Lion-O/Cheetara will develop more starting Ep14, this betrayal of Tygra is a bigger plot then the triangle itself, otherwise the writers will not tie it with the plot wiht Anet's prediction. So the evolved Triangle tipping more to Lion-O/Cheetara or Just Lion-O/Cheetara with some resentment from Tygra, the detached triangle.

[cmangund]

Cheetara and the others my not know the real truth about Tyger clan betrayal to Lion clan back in history, heck even Tygra himself may not know this. This could be one of the dark secrets, Tygra's voice actor mentioned, on Tygra. After Cheetara learn more about this she will definetly be more to Lion-O's side, the triangle scale will flip more to Lion-O.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Which is excactly why Lion-O/Cheetara will develop more starting Ep14, this betrayal of Tygra is a bigger plot then the triangle itself, otherwise the writers will not tie it with the plot wiht Anet's prediction. So the evolved Triangle tipping more to Lion-O/Cheetara or Just Lion-O/Cheetara with some resentment from Tygra, the detached triangle.

But I think tygra is ready to move on, don't you?

The crown is a different story.

Grune being his father would make tygra conflicted.

Was Grune right going for power because he is is better or stay a slave to lion-o.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Cheetara and the others my not know the real truth about Tyger clan betrayal to Lion clan back in history, heck even Tygra himself may not know this. This could be one of the dark secrets, Tygra's voice actor mentioned, on Tygra. After Cheetara learn more about this she will definetly be more to Lion-O's side, the triangle scale will flip more to Lion-O.

Yikes I'm starting to feel bad for Tygra, sounds like he could lose everything.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Cheetara and the others my not know the real truth about Tyger clan betrayal to Lion clan back in history, heck even Tygra himself may not know this. This could be one of the dark secrets, Tygra's voice actor mentioned, on Tygra. After Cheetara learn more about this she will definetly be more to Lion-O's side, the triangle scale will flip more to Lion-O.

If that happens, then I think she would be conflicted.

But what episode would touch on this? I still think native son is about tygra.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is the first I heard of that.

Every story the main lead get the gets the main female. In a classical hero story.

Not in every story, the % where they don't might surprise you

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

But I think tygra is ready to move on, don't you?

The crown is a different story.

Grune being his father would make tygra conflicted.

Was Grune right going for power because he is is better or stay a slave to lion-o.

Hopefully yes Tygra will move one, and be "free completely" from the Triangle Web. If the Lion-O/Cheetara/SoO connections are going to come true then yes Tygra an be "free completely" from the web since its fate and duty are also there beside feelings for Lion-O. The other factor that could help Tygra move on is if maybe after he learned his dark secrets. Depends on what exactly the past was.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Not in every story, the % where they don't might surprise you

We are going to have to disagree.

Anime, that always happen most of the time. LOR.

Tygra might betray lion-o, but cheetara will not die. We might see lion-o die saving cheetara in the next episode.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If that happens, then I think she would be conflicted.

But what episode would touch on this? I still think native son is about tygra.

Depends, if the SoO/Connection/Lion-O are coming to light then the traingle allready reaches the Lion-O/Cheetara or a "better end". That's why I think the SoO/Lion-O/Cheetara connection must come true to help her choose. Otherwise it will be that with the detached evolved triangle or the evolved triangle. We can assume she's already conflicted for now.

I think this will be explained slowly from "New Alliances" to ""Native Son" and beyond.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Hopefully yes Tygra will move one, and be "free completely" from the Triangle Web. If the Lion-O/Cheetara/SoO connections are going to come true then yes Tygra an be "free completely" from the web since its fate and duty are also there beside feelings for Lion-O. The other factor that could help Tygra move on is if maybe after he learned his dark secrets. Depends on what exactly the past was.

I think he needs to break free of anything lion-o to be free. I think him having his own path would help him or give him somthing to look forward too.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Depends, if the SoO/Connection/Lion-O are coming to light then the traingle allready reaches the Lion-O/Cheetara or a "better end". That's why I think the SoO/Lion-O/Cheetara connection must come true to help her choose.

I think this will be explained slowly from "New Alliances" to ""Native Son" and beyond.

They need say they will explain more about L/C in the next episode.

We saw cheetara tap into the power and she said she knew why the sword chose him.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think he needs to break free of anything lion-o to be free. I think him having his own path would help him or give him somthing to look forward too.

Very true, Tygra will never find contentment so long as he's still coveting the kingship of Thundera. He needs something that belongs to him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yikes I'm starting to feel bad for Tygra, sounds like he could lose everything.

Pumyra will be there with open arms

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Very true, Tygra will never find contentment so long as he's still covering the kingship of Thundera. He needs something that belongs to him.

That is T/C will not last, it is toxic for tygra. To much baggage.

If he can have a path and someone else outside of lion-o, I think he will grow into a great cat.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Pumyra will be there with open arms

You know it.

She will help him focus.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

We are going to have to disagree.

Anime, that always happen most of the time. LOR.

Tygra might betray lion-o, but cheetara will not die. We might see lion-o die saving cheetara in the next episode.

Lion-o dying before cheetara is highly unlikely. Someone always takes the bullet for the hero when he is at his weakest point and thats very common in anime as well

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Lion-o dying before cheetara is highly unlikely. Someone always takes the bullet for the hero when he is at his weakest point and thats very common in anime as well

Not the main characters.

I am using the lion-o death (not really dies) from DN's comment that "nothing is certain, not even death".

I believe this will have something to do with the trails.

I see lion-o doing something rash.

[cmangund]

If Cheetara's the one mortally wounded could also be to our advantage, Lion-O nursing Cheetara But highly unlikely since the basic romance formula in this kind of scenario is almost always the lead female nursing the lead male, so the feelings connections are born

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Not the main characters.

I am using the lion-o death (not really dies) from DN's comment that "nothing is certain, not even death".

I believe this will have something to do with the trails.

I see lion-o doing something rash.

The trails might have something to do with spirit stone reanimating the history that took place in the book after legacy ep.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

The trails might have something to do with spirit stone reanimating the history that took place in the book after legacy ep.

yes Could also be something like that.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

The trails might have something to do with spirit stone reanimating the history that took place in the book after legacy ep.

Could, I don't think lion-o's heart is ready for the book. If he were to the legacy part again, he would've failed.