Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I am hoping that tygra accepts his first loss to lion-o with cheetara. Tygra goes on to find Pumyra.

It works so great. Cheetara is going to have to be with lion-o, it wouldn't make sense of them being just friends. The 3 episodes would work for T/P.

Yeah there is a high chance they will do Tygra/Pyumra angle considering the episode structure after "Trials Of Lion-O part 2" if they will do this in "Native Son".

Worst case scenario maybe they will do Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra/Pyumra first. Of course I hope it will not come to that, just keep it Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pyumra

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Alapan

Hey, has anyone ever thought that Lion-O might lose the trials...DUNDUNDUNNN. Okay seriously though, what if Lion-O loses the trials because of this whole love-triangle/heart-broken thing going on? That might really lead him to lose his rightful place as the king/leader of the thundercats. That will probably cause him him to try harder or cause him to become stronger by going down worse than anyone would have ever thought. Heh, this is all just speculation but the writers might just put in a twist like that in the NS, what do you people think?

Good thought.

MO, I think he won't be able to use his sword.

I wonder if the trails are in the BO.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Tell me that was a spoiler of E52.

Let us hope

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah there is a high chance they will do Tygra/Pyumra angle considering the episode structure after "Trials Of Lion-O part 2" if they will do this in "Native Son".

Worst case scenario maybe they will do Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra/Pyumra first. Of course I hope it will not come to that, just keep it Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pyumra

Would they have enough time to do the 4 of them?

T/P would help tygra get over cheetara faster.

If Native son is about bengali and tygra's tribe, tygra would meet pumyra. Maybe tygra is a prince there and would be king with pumyra.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think the only way tygra can heal is detach himself from the royal family. Not leave the group, but cheetara will always remind him of the crown and he would still be in the shadow. He needs to make his own path. That is why I like T/P.

If the rumors of Tygra and Bengali family ties are true, then this will help this type of story line for Tygra.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Would they have enough time to do the 4 of them?

T/P would help tygra get over cheetara faster.

If Native son is about bengali and tygra's tribe, tygra would meet pumyra. Maybe tygra is a prince there and would be king with pumyra.

Not as in really doing 4 of them, probably just a minor thing, with the main thing still Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pumyra.

You know, that could be it. If Tygra does have family ties with Bengali, then maybe Tygra is prince there.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

If the rumors of Tygra and Bengali family ties are true, then this will help this type of story line for Tygra.

I think that would be the only way to make the Tygra fans happy and develop tygra into a more rounded character.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think that would be the only way to make the Tygra fans happy and develop tygra into a more rounded character.

But how to connect that Tygra came from a very Dark place comment with this? I wonder.

[cmangund]

Maybe the dark place is about the Tribe's history, considering Tygra came from the same tribe as Bengali and Pumyra?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

But how to connect that Tygra came from a very Dark place comment with this? I wonder.

Maybe tygra saw what happen to his parents or maybe the thundians took him and he knew.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Maybe the dark place is about the Tribe's history, considering Tygra came from the same tribe as Bengali and Pumyra?

Maybe that tribe betrayed leo along time ago, the cats that were still loyal to mummra.

[stormbringer]

Maybe Tygra and Bengalis parents tried to overthrow Claudus.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It would, unless they develop a romance for tygra like pumyra and did it well.

Fact is if this whole Tygra/Cheetara thing was a success then there won't be this much complaints of the plot stucture(180 shift) regardless which ship they prefer in facebook, messageboards, etc. A plot/romance can be considered successful if there are only very little negative comments, not like this. this is already a controversy level.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Maybe Tygra and Bengalis parents tried to overthrow Claudus.

That't one way to put it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Maybe Tygra and Bengalis parents tried to overthrow Claudus.

That is an awesome thought!

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Fact is if this whole Tygra/Cheetara thing was a success then there won't be this much complaints of the 180 shifts in facebook, messageboards, etc. A plot/romance can be considered successful if there are only very little negative comments, not like this. this is already a controversy level.

Yeah, people have been talking about it for weeks, not because it was a clever plot twist but because it doesn't make any sense. I first registered on these very boards not even a half hour after I saw the ending to the last episode, I needed to talk about that idiocy.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Fact is if this whole Tygra/Cheetara thing was a success then there won't be this much complaints of the 180 shifts in facebook, messageboards, etc. A plot/romance can be considered successful if there are only very little negative comments, not like this. this is already a controversy level.

True.

How many of the producers might be a thunderdad too.

I think there are a lot L/C fans and the way they were building them, just made it painful.

Once they fix the L/C, I will start buying the DVDs.

Everythng points to them doing this on purpose, but what for. For tygra to man up about his feelings for cheetara?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yeah, people have been talking about it for weeks, not because it was a clever plot twist but because it doesn't make any sense. I first registered on these very boards not even a half hour after I saw the ending to the last episode, I needed to talk about that idiocy.

Same. It didn't make sense.

I was going to go on TLC, but all the tygra fans challenging every L/C fan. I just didn't want to deal with it.

I couldn't sleep, gosh, a freaking cartoon did that to me.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

True.

How many of the producers might be a thunderdad too.

Everythng points to them doing this on purpose, but what for. For tygra to man up about his feelings for cheetara?

Jelenic said a lot of the crew are Thunderdads too. Lerry Kenny who played CLaudus now (OS Lion-O's voice actor) is a Lion-O/Cheetara shipper eventhough he never said it directly, but his comments points to that. and he guarantee that the Thunderdads will love this show.

I think this whole thing, aside for the blasted drama is to make Lion-O, Tygra and Cheetara grow as characters, with layers, pain and conflicts. To make them a 3D character I guess.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Same. It didn't make sense.

I was going to go on TLC, but all the tygra fans challenging every L/C fan. I just didn't want to deal with it.

I couldn't sleep, gosh, a freaking cartoon did that to me.

It made me into this hyper analysis mode (like the result of eating candy fruit form berbils), analyzing this whole thing for 1 month now.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic said a lot of the crew are Thunderdads too. Lerry Kenny who played CLaudus now (OS Lion-O's voice actor) is a Lion-O/Cheetara shipper eventhough he never said it directly, but his comments points to that. and he guarantee that the Thunderdads will love this show.

I think this whole thing, aside for the blasted drama is to make Lion-O, Tygra and Cheetara grow as characters, with layers, pain and conflicts. To make them a 3D character I guess.

What does that tell you if the old lion-o is a L/C. We want to see the conculsion of the OS.

Hope everyone sticks around after this drama is fixed.

[stormbringer]

I think I've posted more on this site about the ridiculously bad ending to that episode, than I have on any site. I don't dare bring it up on TCL.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic said a lot of the crew are Thunderdads too. Lerry Kenny who played CLaudus now (OS Lion-O's voice actor) is a Lion-O/Cheetara shipper eventhough he never said it directly, but his comments points to that. and he guarantee that the Thunderdads will love this show.

I think this whole thing, aside for the blasted drama is to make Lion-O, Tygra and Cheetara grow as characters, with layers, pain and conflicts. To make them a 3D character I guess.

Agreed, and to flesh out their past.

It seems like the L/C relationship can't grow to the next stage until the T/C is dealt with.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I think I've posted more on this site about the ridiculously bad ending to that episode, than I have on any site. I don't dare bring it up on TCL.

They would be on you in a second.

Still like your comment about Cheetara and Panthero. That was great.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What does that tell you if the old lion-o is a L/C. We want to see the conculsion of the OS.

Hope everyone sticks around after this drama is fixed.

when the interviewer asked about the Spark between Lion-O and Cheetara to Cheetara's Voice Actor, Larry Kenny joked where was the spark between Lion-O and Cheetara when I was playing Lion-O. then looked annoyed i was years too late. But we had launch a couple of times.
He also said yeah we weren't allowed to much of that, it was in the 80s afterall. then on other sites he commented about the producers of the old show seeing Lion-O/Cheetara romance, something like that etc.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

when the interviewer asked about the Spark between Lion-O and Cheetara to Cheetara's Voice Actor, Larry Kenny joked where was the spark between Lion-O and Cheetara when I was playing Lion-O. then looked annoyed i was years too late. But we had launch a couple of times.
He also said yeah we weren't allowed to much of that, it was in the 80s afterall. then on other sites he commented about the producers of the old show seeing Lion-O/Cheetara romance, something like that etc.

Robotech could get away with it. All the 80s couldn't.

That speaks volumes about the L/C. You know he was in their ear.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I think I've posted more on this site about the ridiculously bad ending to that episode, than I have on any site. I don't dare bring it up on TCL.

It is useless too to post there.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Robotech could get away with it. All the 80s couldn't.

That speaks volumes about the L/C. You know he was in their ear.

And Cheetara's voice actress said "Yeah.. well you know, it continues to evolve, and it is hard to say without spoiling anything, but it is a good story line" then shippy laugh.

From that it confirms one thing that between Lion-O/Cheetara is not a brother sister thing.

[stormbringer]

If that was a brother sister thing someone would get arrested!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And Cheetara's voice actor said "Yeah.. well you know, it continues to evolve, and it is hard to say without spoiling anything, but it is a good story line" then shippy laugh.

From that it confirms one thing that between Lion-O/Cheetara is not a brother sister thing.

You just made my day!!!

What does that tell you.

It is a great romance story line. It evolves to what, Love?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

If that was a brother sister thing someone would get arrested!

You say that on the TLC board, they will come back with some excuse.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And Cheetara's voice actor said "Yeah.. well you know, it continues to evolve, and it is hard to say without spoiling anything, but it is a good story line" then shippy laugh.

From that it confirms one thing that between Lion-O/Cheetara is not a brother sister thing.

Shs is going to be queen.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Shs is going to be queen.

Evolve can mean a lot of things, but the telling part is her shippy laugh.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Evolve can mean a lot of things, but the telling part is her shippy laugh.

What type of laugh is that? Sorry.

She can't really say anything, that is so hard. Evolve to me means they evlove to the next stage.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

She can't really say anything, that is so hard. Evolve to the means they evlove to the next stage.

Yeah, Evolve means keep on evolving in one way. if their relationship stopped at just being friends then it is not evolving, what's to evolve if it is just friends/brother/sister thing, considering this was asked from the spark angle between them.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What type of laugh is that? Sorry.

That Shy full laugh when hiding something romantic in nature

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, Evolve means keep on evolving in one way. if their relationship stopped at just being friends then it is not evolving, what's to evolve if it is just friends/brother/sister thing, considering this was asked from the spark angle between them.

That is how I see it.

Evolve to the next step. Maybe 13 had to happen for it to spread it's wings or stand up and walk on two legs.

Except E4, we have not seen lion-o be the one pushing it. Maybe we will see it now.

I think we will.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That Shy full laugh when hiding something romantic in nature

Thanks again for all the hard work!!

[L08e16o]

I could be wrong.

But all this info, tells me we are going to be happy with the next 3 episodes IMO.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is how I see it.

Evolve to the next step. Maybe 13 had to happen for it to spread it's wings or stand up and walk on two legs.

Except E4, we have not seen lion-o be the one pushing it. Maybe we will see it now.

I think we will.

I know this is hypothetical nonsenses, no data or anything or even clues.
If you look at it:
E-4:Lion-O almost kissed Cheetara, this episode shows the move from Lion-O's side

E-14: Jelenic said we will learn of her following Lion-O around

So the 2 number 4s there could mean Ep4 foreshadowing what will Lion-O do in E-14 again this just hypothetical nonsense.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks again for all the hard work!!

No problem, I have eaten a lot of berbils candy fruit to survive this "horror".

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I know this is hypothetical nonsenses, no data or anything or even clues.
If you look at it:
E-4:Lion-O almost kissed Cheetara, this episode shows the move from Lion-O's side

E-14: Jelenic said we will learn of her following Lion-O around

So the 2 number 4s there could mean Ep4 foreshadowing what will Lion-O do in E-14 again this just hypothetical nonsense.

I just hope snarf is somewhere else.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I just hope snarf is somewhere else.

Maybe snarf will help this time instead of "in the way".

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Maybe snarf will help this time instead of "in the way".

Trips tygra, so be can't CB lion-o.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I could be wrong.

But all this info, tells me we are going to be happy with the next 3 episodes IMO.

I hope so, I think these three episodes will determine where they will be going.
If they will go nuts again then, there's nothing more I can do but dropping the show if that happens, darn all this research will be for nothing.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Trips tygra, so be can't CB lion-o.

Ya preventing Tygra to interrupt the shippy Lion-O/Cheetara moment

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I hope so, I think these three episodes will determine where they will be going.
If they will go nuts again then, there's nothing more I can do but dropping the show if that happens, darn all this research will be for nothing.

I would do the same, but to much info has pointed to it being fixed.

How can L/C evolve if it is T/C. Lets be honest, T/C has not even evolve. L/C have been evolving into a romance, a great story line like she said.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I would do the same, but to much info has pointed to it being fixed.

How can L/C evolve if it is T/C. Lets be honest, T/C has not even evolve. L/C have been evolving into a romance, a great story line like she said.

Yeah, I know all the clues,data,researches,analysis pointed that way. But there's always this one X factor that you cannot deal, the unpredictability of the writer's mind. This one X-factor, there is no formula on how to eliminate it no matter how you try to deal with it, darn it.

Let us just hope for the best. Otherwise maybe I will try a more extreme method of seeing Jelenic personally and force him to fix this mess personally.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Ya preventing Tygra to interrupt the shippy Lion-O/Cheetara moment

I think he will be fine.

That will happen in part two of the trails, I hope.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, I know all the clues,data,researches,analysis pointed that way. But there's always this one X factor that you cannot deal, the unpredictability of the writer's mind. This one X-factor, there is no formula on how to eliminate it no matter how you try to deal with it, darn it.

Let us just hope for the best. Otherwise maybe I will try a more extreme method of seeing Jelenic personally and force him to fix this mess personally.

Well, if he wants the thunderdads to be happy, he will fix it.

I agree, but when writers do that, they can destroy what they are building.