Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Trying to kill lion-o is a betrayal. So lion-o did actually get betrayed as well as felt betrayed

I agree. Is that why you said he had two strikes?

You make it worse than the way I first saw it.

Big Snarf · 01-31-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Well IF the stones all go to the Thundercats and not someone else, then I'd say Panthro would have the green stone because it seemed Technology based, Cheetara would probably get the Spirit Stone, and Tygra would probably get the blue one ( but we don't know what properties that one has yet).

Blue stone might be "mind or reality" seeing how they look almost like the ones thanos used

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Mummra better make sure he can trust his new alliance, it'd be pretty sad if he gets double crossed and loses out on a stone again.

I think he will get it. They said they wanted to make it hard for lion-o.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think he will get it. They said they wanted to make it hard for lion-o.

They need to do something to balance things out. If Lion-o gets one more stone before Mummra, he'll be able to sneeze Mummra out of existence.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

They need to do something to balance things out. If Lion-o gets one more stone before Mummra, he'll be able to sneeze Mummra out of existence.

I agree. He gets the green stone, he will beat mummra's starship.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Blue stone might be "mind or reality" seeing how they look almost like the ones thanos used

Good theroy.

What do you think it can do?

Big Snarf · 01-31-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree. Is that why you said he had two strikes?

You make it worse than the way I first saw it.

Yeah we now see that tygra attempted to kill lion-o twice and lion-o still trusts him, the third strike should be an eye opener for him and tygra beat down will be in order. Grune tried to kill panthro in a similar fashion to how tygra tried to kill lion-o. Mumm-ra used grune so i think he will use tygra too. So maybe tygra is "the lost cause"

Big Snarf · 01-31-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Good theroy.

What do you think it can do?

Well the "reality" gem allows any thought to become reality and the "mind" gem allows the power to read the minds of everyone at the same time

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yeah we now see that tygra attempted to kill lion-o twice and lion-o still trusts him, the third strike should be an eye opener for him and tygra beat down will be in order. Grune tried to kill panthro in a similar fashion to how tygra tried to kill lion-o. Mumm-ra used grune so i think he will use tygra too. So maybe tygra is "the lost cause"

That is one of the angles cmangund and I were looking at.

There are going be a couple of lost causes in E14. How many, I don't know.

If cheetara didn't go to him, I wonder how tygra would've betrayed lion-o or make him feel betrayed?

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Well the "reality" gem allows any thought to become reality and the "mind" gem allows the power to read the minds of everyone at the same time

Good therory.

The reality reminds me of the sage of sixth paths in naruto. That is how he split the 10 tail into 9 sperate animals of chakra.

You saw the red stone gave the SoO more power and gave him the left arm armor, what do you think the blue stone will do?

Do you think there will be any change for the armor or SoO?

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Well the "reality" gem allows any thought to become reality and the "mind" gem allows the power to read the minds of everyone at the same time

Since the astral plane was held together by the red gem Lion-o currently has, would its power qualify as reality warping?

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I doubt he can beat some one who has all the stones when he can't even beat lion-o when he only had the sword. The fact lion-o now has the spirit stone makes it less likely that he can beat lion-o, plus leo totally owned him in legacy when he had all three of them. If each cat has a stone it would be like captain planet with that "let our powers combine" nonsense

Think of it this way. If my theory of all the stones having to choose someone is correct, then that stone will always be more powerful with it's chosen person than it would be with someone it didn't choose. Just like the warstone is more powerful in Lion-O's hands than it would be in Panthro's. If they actually had all 4 stones Mumm-Ra wouldn't have the armor of Plunn-Dar.

It's like the saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket."

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yeah we now see that tygra attempted to kill lion-o twice and lion-o still trusts him, the third strike should be an eye opener for him and tygra beat down will be in order. Grune tried to kill panthro in a similar fashion to how tygra tried to kill lion-o. Mumm-ra used grune so i think he will use tygra too. So maybe tygra is "the lost cause"

I don't think what happened in the AP counts as a betrayal from Tygra because he was being influenced by both Mumm-Ra and the AP. He wouldn't have done it on his own. It's like in the OS when the original Tygra was on the silky fruit. Should he be blamed for what he did while under the influence?

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is one of the angles cmangund and I were looking at.

There are going be a couple of lost causes in E14. How many, I don't know.

If cheetara didn't go to him, I wonder how tygra would've betrayed lion-o or make him feel betrayed?

If Cheetara wouldn't have went to him it wouldn't have happened before the bell.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 06:56 PM

btw guys. the spirit stone is pink, not red. the war stone (eye of thundera) is the red stone.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:00 PM

If Cheetara wouldn't have went to him it wouldn't have happened before the bell.[/QUOTE]

But it sounded like Annet's prediction didn't include cheetara.

I think lion-o was going to talk to tygra and didn't expect cheetara to be there kissing him. To me lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

But it sounded like Annet's prediction didn't include cheetara.

Annet's prediction was worded to fit how Lion-O feels.

"you will know a betrayal" and "he will feel betrayed"

The simple answer is Lion-O felt betrayed by Tygra in that moment, but didn't blame Cheetara.

It's all dependent on how Lion-O is looking at it.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Well the "reality" gem allows any thought to become reality and the "mind" gem allows the power to read the minds of everyone at the same time

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If Cheetara wouldn't have went to him it wouldn't have happened before the bell.

But it sounded like Annet's prediction didn't include cheetara.

I think lion-o was going to talk to tygra and didn't expect cheetara to be there kissing him. To me lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara.[/QUOTE]

This is how I feel, its Cheetara Lion-o should feel betrayed by. Not cool Cheetara.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Annet's prediction was worded to fit how Lion-O feels.

"you will know a betrayal" and "he will feel betrayed"

The simple answer is Lion-O felt betrayed by Tygra in that moment, but didn't blame Cheetara.

It's all dependent on how Lion-O is looking at it.

That does not make sense. Guys always blame the women first. Lion-o knew tygra was up there. He knew it was cheetara that went up there.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

But it sounded like Annet's prediction didn't include cheetara.

I think lion-o was going to talk to tygra and didn't expect cheetara to be there kissing him. To me lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara.

This is how I feel, its Cheetara Lion-o should feel betrayed by. Not cool Cheetara.[/QUOTE]

Agree.

That is why I wonder if she changed it.

If I hated my brohter and I saw a women who I thougth chose me (kiss cheek like pahtera did to leo), I would feel more betrayed by her than my brother.

Lion-o know tygra and he still didn't believe tygra would betray him after the AP.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Since the astral plane was held together by the red gem Lion-o currently has, would its power qualify as reality warping?

the stone wasn't holding the whole Astral Plane together. The crew confirmed it wasn't destroyed so it's still there without the stone.

I think it was just affecting that area near the doorway. Maybe Lion-O was subconsciously making everything fall apart since and it was just doing what he expected it to do since he's the one that was using it.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

btw guys. the spirit stone is pink, not red. the war stone (eye of thundera) is the red stone.

Ok, pinkish stone.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That does not make sense. Guys always blame the women first. Lion-o knew tygra was up there. He knew it was cheetara that went up there.

You gotta think of the context of the whole episode.

Lion-O and Tygra had reached an understanding by the time they got out of the Astral Plane. They were mending fences and Tygra proclaimed he'd never betray him. Then Lion-O almost brags to Anet saying he was wrong and Tygra didn't betray him. Anet reminds Lion-O that the bell hadn't rang yet. Then he see's Tygra kissing the girl he likes.

He's still thinking about the conversation with Anet in his mind. So His first reaction was to blame Tygra.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

You gotta think of the context of the whole episode.

Lion-O and Tygra had reached an understanding by the time they got out of the Astral Plane. They were mending fences and Tygra proclaimed he'd never betray him. Then Lion-O almost brags to Anet saying he was wrong and Tygra didn't betray him. Anet reminds Lion-O that the bell hadn't rang yet. Then he see's Tygra kissing the girl he likes.

He's still thinking about the conversation with Anet in his mind. So His first reaction was to blame Tygra.

I can see that, a rush to judgement.

I just know how I would feel.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I can see that, a rush to judgement.

Yeah exactly. It's his first reaction. The bell rang almost immediately after Lion-O saw the kiss. No one ever said he wouldn't be upset with her as well after he's thought about it, but the prediction specifically said before the bell rings. He didn't have time to think.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:24 PM

Considering what Cheetara pulled, it might be a nice twist if both Lion-o and Tygra kicked her to the curb

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Yeah exactly. It's his first reaction. The bell rang almost immediately after Lion-O saw the kiss. No one ever said he wouldn't be upset with her as well after he's thought about it, but the prediction specifically said before the bell rings. He didn't have time to think.

I rewatced the scene and he looks shock, but his eyes are shaking. That was the reason why I thought he was going to cry.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Considering what Cheetara pulled, it might be a nice twist if both Lion-o and Tygra kicked her to the curb

I think what we need is the writers to show us more of her.

I think we will learn her point of view in the next episode.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:26 PM

This is an honest question and I'm not trying to start anything.

But after the end of episode 13....

Have the L/C fans considered that Lion-O might not even want her anymore that after that?

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I rewatced the scene and he looks shock, but his eyes are shaking. That was the reason why I thought he was going to cry.

Yeah I get that. But in anime the vibrating eye thing is really just to show strong emotions. They'll do it when they're really happy sometimes too.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

This is an honest question and I'm not trying to start anything.

But after the end of episode 13....

Have the L/C fans considered that Lion-O might not even want her anymore that after that?

Well speaking for myself, I could hardly blame him if he didn't.

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is one of the angles cmangund and I were looking at.

There are going be a couple of lost causes in E14. How many, I don't know.

If cheetara didn't go to him, I wonder how tygra would've betrayed lion-o or make him feel betrayed?

The question is what will trigger Tygra to "betray" Lion-O after Ep13, if they are going to expand on it, seing it from "Legacy" with Tygus "betrayal" and that comment about the past and future "connected".

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yeah we now see that tygra attempted to kill lion-o twice and lion-o still trusts him, the third strike should be an eye opener for him and tygra beat down will be in order. Grune tried to kill panthro in a similar fashion to how tygra tried to kill lion-o. Mumm-ra used grune so i think he will use tygra too. So maybe tygra is "the lost cause"

So we will get another Lion-O VS Tygra only this time to the death.
with Cheetara watching them fight, the question is what will she do, will she safe her "rush job" or will she safe her "proper job" or will she leave both of them and go with snarf, the player.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The question is what will trigger Tygra to "betray" Lion-O after Ep13, if they are going to expand on it, seing it from "Legacy" with Tygus "betrayal" and that comment about the past and future "connected".

Perhaps Tygra will pretend to betray Lion-o, but it will be trick to get close to Mummra and get his hands on one of Mummras stones of power. Provided he ever gets any that is.

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Well speaking for myself, I could hardly blame him if he didn't.

Eitherway the pain will be there inside Lion-O's heart.

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Perhaps Tygra will pretend to betray Lion-o, but it will be trick to get close to Mummra and get his hands on one of Mummras stones of power. Provided he ever gets any that is.

Seeing the current Mumm-Ra win-loss record, highly unlikely, unless Mumm-ra enlisted a double agent, Tygra.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

This is an honest question and I'm not trying to start anything.

But after the end of episode 13....

Have the L/C fans considered that Lion-O might not even want her anymore that after that?

No. I don't think he would accept it. Only if cheetara clears things up will lion-o make his decision. He thought she chose him when she kissed him on the cheek like panthera did. Remember he said girlfriend. I think that the writers put that there on purpose.

There is no other love interest in the show for lion-o and this is his story. They don't have the time to develop what they did with L/C.

It won't be pumuyra. There are a ton of Bengali/Pumyra fans. I just don't think she will have enough screen time to do it too.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Seeing the current Mumm-Ra win-loss record, highly unlikely, unless Mumm-ra enlisted a double agent, Tygra.

Maybe he'll bring in the Lunatacs to help him out. Of course if their anything like they were in the OS, they'd probably stab him in the back.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The question is what will trigger Tygra to "betray" Lion-O after Ep13, if they are going to expand on it, seing it from "Legacy" with Tygus "betrayal" and that comment about the past and future "connected".

It seems like the past is connected to the three of them.

They said we would see them again. I wonder if that is about tygrus betraying leo and causing him to seperate the stones.

Big Snarf · 01-31-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The question is what will trigger Tygra to "betray" Lion-O after Ep13, if they are going to expand on it, seing it from "Legacy" with Tygus "betrayal" and that comment about the past and future "connected".

Tygra is power hungry like grune and if mumm-ra promises tygra the power he wants tygra will jump ship

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Eitherway the pain will be there inside Lion-O's heart.

The way he feels will not let him move on. Cheetara will have to clear things up and that still will make it bad.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Tygra is power hungry like grune and if mumm-ra promises tygra the power he wants tygra will jump ship

That is why I think Tygra will take the place of tygrus.

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Seeing the current Mumm-Ra win-loss record, highly unlikely, unless Mumm-ra enlisted a double agent, Tygra.

I think mummra could temp tygra. Heck, mummra could use the triangle to his advantage.

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Tygra is power hungry like grune and if mumm-ra promises tygra the power he wants tygra will jump ship

And becoming The Official Grune Jr.

Balgus82 · 01-31-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Tygra is power hungry like grune and if mumm-ra promises tygra the power he wants tygra will jump ship

If that were true Mumm-Ra would've already offered him the power. Mumm-Ra seems to be able to see or feel who would go for the deal. Just like how he went after Grune and ignored Panthro.

Besides if Tygra truly wanted the power enough that he'd betray everyone, he would've done it in the Astral Plane. He wouldn't have Pulled Lion-O back up. If he had let Lion-O fall he would've been next in line.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think mummra could temp tygra. Heck, mummra could use the triangle to his advantage.

So it would be a Palpatine Anakin Skywalker sorta deal?

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Maybe he'll bring in the Lunatacs to help him out. Of course if their anything like they were in the OS, they'd probably stab him in the back.

Poor Mumm-ra.

Maybe he should have enlisted Snow-Meow.

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It seems like the past is connected to the three of them.

They said we would see them again. I wonder if that is about tygrus betraying leo and causing him to seperate the stones.

Right.

Yeah maybe something like that.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Poor Mumm-ra.

Maybe he should have enlisted Snow-Meow.

Ma-mutt to the rescue!

cmangund · 01-31-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Ma-mutt to the rescue!

L08e16o · 01-31-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

So it would be a Palpatine Anakin Skywalker sorta deal?

The think mummra is very cunning. Could be.

The next episode was titled lost causes, so many things could be lost in that episode.

stormbringer · 01-31-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Poor Mumm-ra.

Maybe he should have enlisted Snow-Meow.

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The think mummra is very cunning. Could be.

The next episode was titled lost causes, so many things could be lost in that episode.

I wonder if Mummra will pull a move like he often did in the OS, and disguise himself as someone else to trick Tygra?

01-31-2012, 05:47 PM	#5601
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Big Snarf Trying to kill lion-o is a betrayal. So lion-o did actually get betrayed as well as felt betrayed I agree. Is that why you said he had two strikes? You make it worse than the way I first saw it. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-31-2012 at 05:51 PM..

01-31-2012, 06:19 PM	#5609
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Big Snarf Yeah we now see that tygra attempted to kill lion-o twice and lion-o still trusts him, the third strike should be an eye opener for him and tygra beat down will be in order. Grune tried to kill panthro in a similar fashion to how tygra tried to kill lion-o. Mumm-ra used grune so i think he will use tygra too. So maybe tygra is "the lost cause" That is one of the angles cmangund and I were looking at. There are going be a couple of lost causes in E14. How many, I don't know. If cheetara didn't go to him, I wonder how tygra would've betrayed lion-o or make him feel betrayed? Last edited by L08e16o; 01-31-2012 at 06:22 PM..

01-31-2012, 06:21 PM	#5610
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Big Snarf Well the "reality" gem allows any thought to become reality and the "mind" gem allows the power to read the minds of everyone at the same time Good therory. The reality reminds me of the sage of sixth paths in naruto. That is how he split the 10 tail into 9 sperate animals of chakra. You saw the red stone gave the SoO more power and gave him the left arm armor, what do you think the blue stone will do? Do you think there will be any change for the armor or SoO? Last edited by L08e16o; 01-31-2012 at 06:32 PM..

01-31-2012, 07:00 PM	#5614
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	If Cheetara wouldn't have went to him it wouldn't have happened before the bell.[/QUOTE] But it sounded like Annet's prediction didn't include cheetara. I think lion-o was going to talk to tygra and didn't expect cheetara to be there kissing him. To me lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-31-2012 at 07:03 PM..

01-31-2012, 07:12 PM	#5621
Balgus82 Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,267	Quote: Originally Posted by L08e16o That does not make sense. Guys always blame the women first. Lion-o knew tygra was up there. He knew it was cheetara that went up there. You gotta think of the context of the whole episode. Lion-O and Tygra had reached an understanding by the time they got out of the Astral Plane. They were mending fences and Tygra proclaimed he'd never betray him. Then Lion-O almost brags to Anet saying he was wrong and Tygra didn't betray him. Anet reminds Lion-O that the bell hadn't rang yet. Then he see's Tygra kissing the girl he likes. He's still thinking about the conversation with Anet in his mind. So His first reaction was to blame Tygra. Last edited by Balgus82; 01-31-2012 at 07:15 PM..