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You're right to point out that it's been poorly executed, because it is. (Even Tygra and Cheetara agree with you) This entire relationship seems designed to be something that is not meant to be.
Look at Pumyra's character in the beginning of this episode, she should be at least a little happy considering the progress that has been made freeing the slaves and what not, but she isn't. She's is still brooding about something. Possibly something that's missing or lost in her life. (Flashback to the cell scene in the Pit). That missing thing could be another person (cough, cough Bengali) who I am betting will make an appearance before the end of the the season. Right now this entire relationship, (if it is one) is very one-sided, add a lost flame an the entire "problem" goes away. That or they kill her off. Why didn't lion-o do this stuff with cheetara. Oh that is right, the writers didn't want too. You saw her look at the end of the episode, it was like the same look she gave him when she told him not to get mushy. |
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Bengali hasn't even been mentioned by the crew since initial interviews before the show even aired. Dan even posted old art of him from his comic book pitch as a way to throw the fans a bone because he's just not in this season. Quote:
Why didn't lion-o do this stuff with cheetara. Oh that is right, the writers didn't want too.
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You saw her look at the end of the episode, it was like the same look she gave him when she told him not to get mushy.
She told him not to get mushy when she was still calling him by title and thought she was just another subject, now she knows that she's more important than that. |
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Anybody else think the title of the episode is a little foreboding?
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This is all about their revamping Pumyra. She had little use in the original series. Now she stands out past all the others right by Lion-O's side.
She could be set up for something big, like Mumm-ra kidnaps her, she gets taken to the Astral Plane, big sacrifice moment, or she gets killed. I got one, Mumm-ra with the Ancient Spirits of Evil resurrect Claudis to fight Lion-O. Father tears into son both mentally and physically. Also, he can still use the Sword of Omens. Massive loyalty conflicts between the others on rather to follow Claudis or Lion-O. |
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panthro still >>> pumyra in standing out
And no. WHY would the other cats EVEN consider following claudis. They saw him die, not like Lion-O where they merely saw him fall into the water and not get out. They have to know he's basically an undead or worse. If that happened, it would be massive fail on the writers part. And if kitkat ain't in this episode, please don't tell me we have another filler episode dedicated to them -_- |
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Just to remind you that Lion-O also died right before their eyes, Tygra was King, and Lion-O came back from the dead. They continue to follow Lion-O. You don't see Tygra still in charge since Lion-O was legally dead losing his claim to the throne.
Claudis could come back from the dead and reclaim the throne, since Lion-O did it. Last edited by Singe; 05-28-2012 at 12:28 AM.. |
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With three episodes left, I doubt they'd dedicate another episode to Wilykit, Wilykat, and Snarf. There's not enough time to introduce Bengali either for this season. Put together The Pit, Curse of Ratilla, Birth of the Blades, and this and you have the relationship between Lion-O and Pumyra unfolding. Maybe their relationship has something that Lion-O and Cheetara didn't.
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Claudus has no body to revive, Lion-O and the other cats burned it.
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Just to remind you that Lion-O also died right before their eyes, Tygra was King, and Lion-O came back from the dead. They continue to follow Lion-O. You don't see Tygra still in charge since Lion-O was legally dead losing his claim to the throne.
Claudis could come back from the dead and reclaim the throne, since Lion-O did it. 2ndly, unless Jaga's spirit somehow mysteriously appears in the sky saying 'Oh hey, Claudis? Yeah, he's back', I doubt the cats would be that trusting. But considering how stupid the cats have acted before (and the writing seems to portray them), it may not be too far off the mark |
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All I know is that this episode was good, lots of action hope it goes on like this
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Maybe not ressurected, but If say Mumm-Ra summoned back Claudis spirit and bound it to serve him. Then Claudis get's sent to fight the Thundercats. That would make a good idea for an episode. Especially if Claudis knows some powers of the Sword of Omens that Lion-O doesn't. "Sword of Omens come to my hand!"
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I don't think it's supposed to make sense. I think it's supposed to get the writers at least a B- in their third-grade writing classes. As much as the saying "First love doesn't always last" is true for L/C it is also true for T/C. Not all first loves/crushes work out or last the test of time. Who knows, maybe they will shake things up again. MJ did say something about fans will get their due so consider it like this; T/C happened, L/P is happening so following the pattern, L/C should also happen. We just have to hope MJ and crew remember that there are more fans than just those cliques they are currently pandering to. |
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05-28-2012, 08:14 AM | #114 |
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All in all, an OK episode. Not great, but not terrible. I agree with the thought of either be all silly or all serious, cuase the 2 didn't mix well here. And I didn't like Tygra missing half the fight because he was high (I know it's a nod to all the times he got high/addicted on the OS, but come on). Again, an ok episode.
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Okay, I'm sure others will disagree (I did read some of the posts, but not all three pages), but as far as I'm concerned, THAT is what a Thundercats episode should be.
It was pretty funny and weird - Pumyra's face (hilarious by itself, but I loved that for the first half of the episode, it was just THERE. That was great) Ponzi's potion caused some fun reactions in the townspeople, and then love potion Tygra was pretty hilarious. It had some of the best fight choreography the series has EVER had - Lion-o flipping about and using the beam in the first godzilla fight, the second fight almost everyone got a chance to shine; lion-o lightning sword, panthro with the tank, etc. Lion-o gave the battle-cry: I have been waiting for that this whole 'season' Yeah there was some kind of odd relationship stuff with Lion-o and Pumyra, but I didn't find it as truly frustrating as some of the triangle stuff. Just side-stuff. |
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Okay, I'm sure others will disagree (I did read some of the posts, but not all three pages), but as far as I'm concerned, THAT is what a Thundercats episode should be.
It was pretty funny and weird - Pumyra's face (hilarious by itself, but I loved that for the first half of the episode, it was just THERE. That was great) Ponzi's potion caused some fun reactions in the townspeople, and then love potion Tygra was pretty hilarious. It had some of the best fight choreography the series has EVER had - Lion-o flipping about and using the beam in the first godzilla fight, the second fight almost everyone got a chance to shine; lion-o lightning sword, panthro with the tank, etc. Lion-o gave the battle-cry: I have been waiting for that this whole 'season' Yeah there was some kind of odd relationship stuff with Lion-o and Pumyra, but I didn't find it as truly frustrating as some of the triangle stuff. Just side-stuff. |
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Except they've said no such thing, they've said that she has several episodes dedicated to her, and that she's sticking around for a bit, but not that they have any concrete plans to remove her from the show or even the core group. The most likely plan is to have her finish out the season and then see how popular she is with the kids and fans before making any more plans for her in a second season.
Bengali hasn't even been mentioned by the crew since initial interviews before the show even aired. Dan even posted old art of him from his comic book pitch as a way to throw the fans a bone because he's just not in this season. And he didn't know any better. He doesn't want there to be the same confusion he had with Cheetara, and coming out of the trials has a "show, don't tell" personality. Besides, he doesn't think she's the type to talk about feelings. Right or wrong he still owes it to both of them to just ask. It's not in any way the same look. She told him not to get mushy when she was still calling him by title and thought she was just another subject, now she knows that she's more important than that. Second season? They may not get it. I talking about expression with her right brow. Last edited by L08e16o; 05-28-2012 at 10:11 AM.. |
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It seems MJ wants to give a lot of spot light to Tygra and Pumyra since they were cut out of the OS.
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New Lion-O totally did the Original Lion-O opening sequence move. Loved it.
Bit of a cheesy episode. I don't like Lion-O/Pumyra being forced on. Should have happened gradually overtime... NOT within a single episode. Last edited by NIBMRatchet; 05-28-2012 at 10:57 AM.. |
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I don't think we're going to have any sort of thing where Bengali shows up and steals Pumrya from Lion-O, and here's why.
1- It's a repeat of Tygra getting Cheetara. I don't think they'd repeat the same thing over again. 2- It makes Pumrya seem like a very awful charecter. She'd have led on Lion-O way worse than Cheetara ever had. 3- It would send the message to the boys that girls will always dump you for Tigers. If the sword of omens gets broken, then I figure Bengali will show up. |
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That's a strange and confusing message for the kids, that's for sure. If Bengali does show up maybe Lion-O would feel threatened if Pumyra starts being friendly with him, but I'd think once she realizes that she's tell him that's stupid, Lion-O is the one she wants, pure and simple. That sends the much better message that it's okay if your girlfriend has other guy friends, it doesn't mean she's dumping you.
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I don't think we're going to have any sort of thing where Bengali shows up and steals Pumrya from Lion-O, and here's why.
1- It's a repeat of Tygra getting Cheetara. I don't think they'd repeat the same thing over again. 2- It makes Pumrya seem like a very awful charecter. She'd have led on Lion-O way worse than Cheetara ever had. 3- It would send the message to the boys that girls will always dump you for Tigers. There aren't many tigers going to school, so my guess is boys around the world needn't worry about that If that were to happen I'd prefer for Hattanzo to show up and fix it. That was his trade after all, Bengali could come along with him as an apprentice: it's not that I don't like the tiger, but I'd much rather see the Drifter again. |
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I just feel that Lion-o grabbing at whatever female cat is around him, regardless of who it is. With him quickly jumping from one to another it just makes it seem like little crushes and are not to be taken to seriously.
Another thing I feel that love should not be such a focus on this series at this point in time they should wait till down the road when we get a better feel for the characters because right now they’re too hard to understand. I think there are pandering to the fans and no series should do that.…I get that he’s an 18-year-old male but this is feeling too much like high school. All I hear is who does he like, who does she like, who doesn’t she like, who doesn’t he like, I mean come on… you got all this drama going on meanwhile Mumm-ra trying to take over the world and destroy the thundercats…. when the last time they actually looked for any of the stones I can’t remember. And Mumm-ra I want him to be more cruel, calculating, devious, evil among evil master villain badass but in the last 23 episodes he’s only won once. that doesn’t sound like much of a threat there.. He couldn’t even win in his own temple now that sad…I hate to say this but the thundercats need to lose more often for him to be seen as a perceivable threat…but with that said maybe they will now that he has his sword…. Wow this thing got really long didn’t intend to write that much.. just my opinion though, no reason to get pissed off over it… Last edited by nickanu; 05-29-2012 at 04:34 AM.. |
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Biggest what the **** twist, turns out Pumyra was a sleeper agent working for Mumm-ra or created by Mumm-ra then planted in with the slaves for Lion-O to meet her then get close to the group.
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I think MJ made lion-o look shady in this.
He was slipping a ruthie in pumyra drink. That is not how lion-o is. MJ romance just makes the characters look bad or should I say lion-o and cheetara look bad. Still can't get over lion-o waving the SoO when you have mummra right behind him. |
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I don't think we're going to have any sort of thing where Bengali shows up and steals Pumrya from Lion-O, and here's why.
1- It's a repeat of Tygra getting Cheetara. I don't think they'd repeat the same thing over again. 2- It makes Pumrya seem like a very awful charecter. She'd have led on Lion-O way worse than Cheetara ever had. 3- It would send the message to the boys that girls will always dump you for Tigers. If the sword of omens gets broken, then I figure Bengali will show up. |
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This is all about their revamping Pumyra. She had little use in the original series. Now she stands out past all the others right by Lion-O's side.
She could be set up for something big, like Mumm-ra kidnaps her, she gets taken to the Astral Plane, big sacrifice moment, or she gets killed. I got one, Mumm-ra with the Ancient Spirits of Evil resurrect Claudis to fight Lion-O. Father tears into son both mentally and physically. Also, he can still use the Sword of Omens. Massive loyalty conflicts between the others on rather to follow Claudis or Lion-O. |
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A bigger WTF twist would be if cheetara is the sleeper agent. She was going for the sword on her own until tygra tagged along. And nothing about her past has been shown with three episodes left
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There aren't many tigers going to school, so my guess is boys around the world needn't worry about that If that were to happen I'd prefer for Hattanzo to show up and fix it. That was his trade after all, Bengali could come along with him as an apprentice: it's not that I don't like the tiger, but I'd much rather see the Drifter again. |
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The Lion-o/Pumyra relationship has definitely been moved too fast, but at the same time I don't mind it. So far it's seemed kind of fun. They do dumb things, they have moments, and none of it results in show-killing retardation or drama. In a children's cartoon, that's what I want out of my love stories. |
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I just feel that Lion-o grabbing at whatever female cat is around him, regardless of who it is. With him quickly jumping from one to another it just makes it seem like little crushes and are not to be taken to seriously.
Another thing I feel that love should not be such a focus on this series at this point in time they should wait till down the road when we get a better feel for the characters because right now they’re too hard to understand. I think there are pandering to the fans and no series should do that.…I get that he’s an 18-year-old male but this is feeling too much like high school. All I hear is who does he like, who does she like, who doesn’t she like, who doesn’t he like, I mean come on… you got all this drama going on meanwhile Mumm-ra trying to take over the world and destroy the thundercats…. when the last time they actually looked for any of the stones I can’t remember. And Mumm-ra I want him to be more cruel, copulating, devious, evil among evil master villain badass but in the last 23 episodes he’s only won once. that doesn’t sound like much of a threat there.. He couldn’t even win in his own temple now that sad…I hate to say this but the thundercats need to lose more often for him to be seen as a perceivable threat…but with that said maybe they will now that he has his sword…. Wow this thing got really long didn’t intend to write that much.. just my opinion though, no reason to get pissed off over it… As for Mumm-ra, despite being a weird example, this episode was good for making him seem more of a threat. There was an epic battle that was well-animated and well fought, and the cats lost, only being saved by an outside factor. True, they didn't have to retreat and it wasn't Mumm-ra's normal form, but it did at least help show that Mumm-ra CAN defeat them, which is something that was becoming iffy. Also, I think you mean calculating, not copulating. Pretty sure copulating means to breed, which is NOT something we want to see Mumm-ra doing. |
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I think MJ made lion-o look shady in this.
He was slipping a ruthie in pumyra drink. That is not how lion-o is. MJ romance just makes the characters look bad or should I say lion-o and cheetara look bad. Still can't get over lion-o waving the SoO when you have mummra right behind him. |
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That means that if she up and left him she wouldn't have the justification that cheetara did of Lion-o just being confused. |
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As a 35 year old "old school" Thundercats fan I can say I love the revamping of the characters I fell in love with as a child, and the more "grown up" feel of the series. I think the romance in the series was put in to appeal to the female audience, and for that I applaud the writers...maybe make it a little less cheesy, but interesting. I've read over a lot of these posts so I'm sure a lot of the guys aren't going to agree with the romance bits...you fellas must be young.
I do have some issues with character development for Cheetara...I have to agree with everyone else on that. I also have an issue with the new Tygra...he's a jerk more than anything else. Other than that, I can't believe a character who seems as humble as Cheetara would be attracted to that, period. Ugh. Not saying she's perfect, I don't agree with what she did in 13, and I still don't buy her excuse. I think there is still something she's hiding. I didn't really care for the old Snarf, but this one is just too cute. Lol I love the fact that he doesn't talk in this one I'm disappointed in the sword of Omens...just what exactly makes it so great in this series? It seems like the only thing it does is sight beyond sight and shoot a red beam. Blah. The old sword seemed WAY more better. It seemed to be more a part of Lion-O. More magical. Unstoppable. I would like to see more episodes with their cycles. We got what? One episode? It also seems like this journey of finding the stones is being drug out too long too. I also have to agree with you guys on the pair ups. Tygra and Pumyra seem more suited for each other. They should flip flop these relationships seriously. Kudos on Panthro and the kids. They are perfect! The season finale is getting closer and i can't help but wonder what this twist is going to be. Hopefully not anything as bad as the end of 13. That pissed me off on so many levels. Writers please stop beating the sh*t out of Lion-O. The story is supposed to be about him becoming the greatest king of all time as prophesied, right?? |
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As for Mumm-ra, despite being a weird example, this episode was good for making him seem more of a threat. There was an epic battle that was well-animated and well fought, and the cats lost, only being saved by an outside factor. True, they didn't have to retreat and it wasn't Mumm-ra's normal form, but it did at least help show that Mumm-ra CAN defeat them, which is something that was becoming iffy.
In “Trials Part 2,” Mumm-Ra runs away after being defeated by Lion-O in his pyramid where he was supposed to be “immeasurably powerful.” Lion-O then beats a Plunn-Darr wielding Mumm-Ra in “Birth of the Blades,” who then flees because of the sunlight (outside factor?). Then Mumm-Ra was beaten by this: For a supposedly super-evil antagonist, things couldn’t possibly get worse than that. Mumm-Ra gets an F- in Villainy 101. |
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In “Trials Part 2,” Mumm-Ra runs away after being defeated by Lion-O in his pyramid where he was supposed to be “immeasurably powerful.” Lion-O then beats a Plunn-Darr wielding Mumm-Ra in “Birth of the Blades,” who then flees because of the sunlight (outside factor?). Then Mumm-Ra was beaten by this: For a supposedly super-evil antagonist, things couldn’t possibly get worse than that. Mumm-Ra gets an F- in Villainy 101. POKEMON I tell you. Maybe they should all hitch up that butterfly, head over to Mumm-Ra's pyramid and just get it over with. Its easier than trying to find the War Stone. |
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Speaking of the Stone....there are only two episodes left, and still no mention of the stone. i wonder if they'll just randomly remember what they were doing before Lion-o got killed and look for it?
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Mumm-Ra needs to take a cue from Amon (LoK) or Naraku (InuYasha) or even the original Mumm-Ra who is likely turning over in his crypt.
POKEMON I tell you. Maybe they should all hitch up that butterfly, head over to Mumm-Ra's pyramid and just get it over with. Its easier than trying to find the War Stone. |
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Panthro and Tygra talk about being two days out from the Kittens and that once they pick them up, they'd get back to looking for the stone. Cheetara then comes up and asks about Lion-O and Pumyra. Tygra throws that sucker punch jab at Cheetara about Lion-O getting shot down again. |
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Mumm-Ra needs to take a cue from Amon (LoK) or Naraku (InuYasha) or even the original Mumm-Ra who is likely turning over in his crypt.
POKEMON I tell you. Maybe they should all hitch up that butterfly, head over to Mumm-Ra's pyramid and just get it over with. Its easier than trying to find the War Stone. In The Legend of Korra, Amon’s characterisation is handled so well. The aura of sophistication, power and fear that he projects is really well done. And it took them barely 6 episodes to do so. Compared to that, Mumm-Ra is downright pathetic. The Legend of Korra writers at the helm of ThunderCats – that I really want to see! |
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Actually what I'd like to see would be for the Cat's to find Hattanzo to fix it... But he can't as only members of a certain liniage can work the metal the Sword is made of. Then they find Bengali, who is of the liniage... But he feels he lacks the skill to repair the sword. Then Hattanzo and Bengali work together to fix it.
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In The Legend of Korra, Amon’s characterisation is handled so well. The aura of sophistication, power and fear that he projects is really well done. And it took them barely 6 episodes to do so. Compared to that, Mumm-Ra is downright pathetic. The Legend of Korra writers at the helm of ThunderCats – that I really want to see! As if to prove the point, last week we watched the Trials again and I noticed that while my 5YO dives under a piece of furniture every time OS Mumm-Ra transforms, she doesn't when NS does. Something's definitely missing there. |
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Mumm-Ra needs to take a cue from Amon (LoK) or Naraku (InuYasha) or even the original Mumm-Ra who is likely turning over in his crypt.
POKEMON I tell you. Maybe they should all hitch up that butterfly, head over to Mumm-Ra's pyramid and just get it over with. Its easier than trying to find the War Stone. |
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In The Legend of Korra, Amon’s characterisation is handled so well. The aura of sophistication, power and fear that he projects is really well done. And it took them barely 6 episodes to do so. Compared to that, Mumm-Ra is downright pathetic. The Legend of Korra writers at the helm of ThunderCats – that I really want to see! |
05-29-2012, 07:07 AM | #150 |
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I think the thing with the 80's villains, especially Mumm-Ra, wasn't that they won at the end of the episode. It's that they would win right up until the end, and even then, you knew they would be back. TOS Mumm-Ra was a persistant bastard. He outright stated several times things like if at first you don't succeed, try again, and tommorow is another day. And it was rare that his faluires really cost him anything. Mumm-Ra always had more evil spells.
Of course there's also what Gargoyles did. The Xanatos Gambit. This is a great way to have the heroes win the episode, but the villian still maintain a threat, and seem competent. |
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