Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Here are the facts of the Lion-O/Cheetara thing from the show, added another one from Ep4:

All right here we go:

Ep1:
-Cheetara introduced himself to Lion-O, Lion-O was baffled and try to impress her with changing his voice or it could be to hide his identity.
-Cheetara's and Lion-O's expression shows some hints attraction
- Lion-O winked to cheetara after the ball rang, Cheetara gave Lion-O a small smile
- During the mob scene Cheetara was also showing hints of attraction when looking to Lion-O
- After that on the top of the wall Cheetara and Lion-O shows hints of attraction and the way Cheetara respond with maybe before jumping down


Ep4:
- Cheetara put her hand on top oh his while saying "We have each other..." then both moved closer until it's close enough to kiss before snarf interrupted their moment
- Cheetara admired Lion-O when he was talking to little Emmerick about helping them to find the gateway home., Tygra got a little jealous.

EP6:
- Cheetara pressed hard on Lion-O while talking closely to his ear.
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand before the bridge went up

EP12:
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand, while Lion-O's held the soO and smiling big while saying" I knew the reason the sword chose you"
- Cheetara gave the cheek kiss while pressing on him from the back without showing any kind of shyness or waiting game.

I'll see if I can get some more later.

Excellent. I really appreciate all your work.

E4 is my favorite and made me want L/C.

I have to watch E12 again.

[DarkKnight]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmangund

Here are the facts of the Lion-O/Cheetara thing from the show, added another one from Ep4:

All right here we go:

Ep1:
-Cheetara introduced himself to Lion-O, Lion-O was baffled and try to impress her with changing his voice or it could be to hide his identity.
-Cheetara's and Lion-O's expression shows some hints attraction
- Lion-O winked to cheetara after the ball rang, Cheetara gave Lion-O a small smile
- During the mob scene Cheetara was also showing hints of attraction when looking to Lion-O
- After that on the top of the wall Cheetara and Lion-O shows hints of attraction and the way Cheetara respond with maybe before jumping down


Ep4:
- Cheetara put her hand on top oh his while saying "We have each other..." then both moved closer until it's close enough to kiss before snarf interrupted their moment
- Cheetara admired Lion-O when he was talking to little Emmerick about helping them to find the gateway home., Tygra got a little jealous.

EP6:
- Cheetara pressed hard on Lion-O while talking closely to his ear.
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand before the bridge went up

EP12:
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand, while Lion-O's held the soO and smiling big while saying" I knew the reason the sword chose you"
- Cheetara gave the cheek kiss while pressing on him from the back without showing any kind of shyness or waiting game.

I'll see if I can get some more later.

nicely done.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I will pay you.

Maybe Darkknight can help with sceen caps for those moments, I have the episodes without the CN logo and 720P resolution but I don't think I have the time for getting each screen caps from each episodes. Heck even Editing Ep13 I still haven't done it darn, need to edit out the dreaded ending.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Maybe Darkknight can help with sceen caps for those moments, I have the episodes without the CN logo and 720P resolution but I don't think I have the time for getting each screen caps from the each episodes.

Thanks anyway.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Excellent. I really appreciate all your work.

E4 is my favorite and made me want L/C.

I have to watch E12 again.

Its not really work its our duty to the crown

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Its not really work its our duty to the crown

Someone has to look out for lion-o.

We know snarf isn't. He blocked L/C, where was he when T/C kissed?

[cmangund]

These could also be about the lost causes:

1. Cheetara really liked Lion-O wanted to tell him got blocked because of Tygra's jealosy that she noticed did not want to hurt Tygra’s feelings (the highest good thing that applies both ways), the prophecies,to protect Lion-O,etc
2. Tygra in truth not that much into Cheetara but fueled by his jelousy, but at the end he already starting to coming to terms with it, but cheetara already went to him
3. Lion-O wanted to tell Cheetara his feelings or at least starting to talk to Cheetara about it but got blocked after seeing the dreaded ending.

If there were any indications that factors above are the lost causes, thus the original title "Lost Causes" Of Ep14 so by the end of Ep14 it will be "Found Causes" What I just noticed, they change the title to avoid us guessing what's in it. Because its too obvious in my opinion.

And Also because of the pattern and facts:

The clifhanger was about the triangle in Ep13 so naturally Ep14 will do that too.

1. example in Ep4 the clifhangger was about Panthro and the next episode 5 was about panthro.
2. Episode 6 the clifhanger was about the book, Ep 7 was about the book
3.In Ep10 the cliff hanger was about finding the forest the next episode 11 was about finding the forest.
4. In Episode 11 the cliff hanger was about getting stone form the known location and mastering SBS and in Ep 12 was about getting the stone and SBS
5.In Ep 12 the ending was a mix of betrayal and love triangle in Ep13 was about the betrayal and the triangle.
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[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Someone has to look out for lion-o.

We know snarf isn't. He blocked L/C, where was he when T/C kissed?

That's why stormbringer and us theorised that snarf was in fact the real major masters of evil, not mumm-ra.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That's why stormbringer and us theorised that snarf was in fact the real major masters of evil, not mumm-ra.

Are you saying he is the true player and will have his harem at the end.

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Someone has to look out for lion-o.

We know snarf isn't. He blocked L/C, where was he when T/C kissed?

a drunk little snarf.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That's why stormbringer and us theorised that snarf was in fact the real major masters of evil, not mumm-ra.

Next we'll see Snarf and Ma-mutt, plotting some wicked deed!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

These could also be about the lost causes:

1. Cheetara really liked Lion-O wanted to tell him got blocked because of Tygra's jealosy that she noticed did not want to hurt Tygra’s feelings (the highest good thing that applies both ways), the prophecies,to protect Lion-O,etc
2. Tygra in truth not that much into Cheetara but fueled by his jelousy, but at the end he already starting to coming to terms with it, but cheetara already went to him
3. Lion-O wanted to tell Cheetara his feelings or at least starting to talk to Cheetara about it but got blocked after seeing the dreaded ending.

If there were any indications that factors above are the lost causes, thus the original title "Lost Causes" Of Ep14 so by the end of Ep14 it will be "Found Causes" What I just noticed, they change the title to avoid us guessing what's in it. Because its too obvious in my opinion.

That will cover the plural.

It is interesting that they change the title. That would be obvious.

So, does the next episode continue the scene?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Are you saying he is the true player and will have his harem at the end.

That will be a REAL plot twist indeeed

[KurtulanSama]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmangund

Here are the facts of the Lion-O/Cheetara thing from the show, added another one from Ep4:

All right here we go:

Ep1:
-Cheetara introduced himself to Lion-O, Lion-O was baffled and try to impress her with changing his voice or it could be to hide his identity.
-Cheetara's and Lion-O's expression shows some hints attraction
- Lion-O winked to cheetara after the ball rang, Cheetara gave Lion-O a small smile
- During the mob scene Cheetara was also showing hints of attraction when looking to Lion-O
- After that on the top of the wall Cheetara and Lion-O shows hints of attraction and the way Cheetara respond with maybe before jumping down


Ep4:
- Cheetara put her hand on top oh his while saying "We have each other..." then both moved closer until it's close enough to kiss before snarf interrupted their moment
- Cheetara admired Lion-O when he was talking to little Emmerick about helping them to find the gateway home., Tygra got a little jealous.

EP6:
- Cheetara pressed hard on Lion-O while talking closely to his ear.
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand before the bridge went up

EP12:
- Cheetara held Lion-O's hand, while Lion-O's held the soO and smiling big while saying" I knew the reason the sword chose you"
- Cheetara gave the cheek kiss while pressing on him from the back without showing any kind of shyness or waiting game.

I'll see if I can get some more later.

I may be able to add the caps tomorrow night(GMT +2)
I'll add anything you wrote until tomorrow.

BTW still wondering when will episode 14 be aired?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That will cover the plural.

It is interesting that they change the title. That would be obvious.

So, does the next episode continue the scene?

And the new alliances stuff could be about Mumm-Ra, but seeing its plural it could be both Lion-O and Mumm-RA's sides.

I don't think it will start diretly after the end of Ep13, but maybe the next morning, maybe where they all ralized the king has left the building or it will start from Lion-O's prespective, maybe going solo.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by KurtulanSama

I may be able to add the caps tomorrow night(GMT +2)
I'll add anything you wrote until tomorrow.

BTW still wondering when will episode 14 be aired?

Thanks it will help to show it clearer to all of us, not just Lion-O

Maybe February.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Next we'll see Snarf and Ma-mutt, plotting some wicked deed!

Double darn! snarf is a double agent working for Ma-Tutt

[L08e16o]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmangund

And the new alliances stuff could be about Mumm-Ra, but seeing its plural it could be both Lion-O and Mumm-RA's sides.

I don't think it will start diretly after the end of Ep13, but maybe the next morning, maybe where they all ralized the king has left the building or it will start from Lion-O's prespective, maybe going solo.

I hope if lion-o goes solo it is the other TC getting the alliance.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I hope if lion-o goes solo it is the other TC getting the alliance.

Could also be like that, Cheetara go after Lion-O as she is the fastest while the rest go to berbil village giving Panthro new arms and maybe they will meet some of the Bengali's tribe cats and they waited there until Cheetara return with Lion-O.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

These could also be about the lost causes:

1. Cheetara really liked Lion-O wanted to tell him got blocked because of Tygra's jealosy that she noticed did not want to hurt Tygra’s feelings (the highest good thing that applies both ways), the prophecies,to protect Lion-O,etc
2. Tygra in truth not that much into Cheetara but fueled by his jelousy, but at the end he already starting to coming to terms with it, but cheetara already went to him
3. Lion-O wanted to tell Cheetara his feelings or at least starting to talk to Cheetara about it but got blocked after seeing the dreaded ending.

If there were any indications that factors above are the lost causes, thus the original title "Lost Causes" Of Ep14 so by the end of Ep14 it will be "Found Causes" What I just noticed, they change the title to avoid us guessing what's in it. Because its too obvious in my opinion.

Honestly I doubt the episode titles have anything to do with the love triangle because it's a multi-episode subplot. The separate episodes don't tend to focus on the romance.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Could also be like that, Cheetara go after Lion-O as she is the fastest while the rest go to berbil village giving Panthro new arms and maybe they will meet some of the Bengali's tribe cats and they waited there until Cheetara return with Lion-O.

True or the cats could be looking for them. Maybe there are rumors that TC are beating mummra and others want to join.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That will cover the plural.

It is interesting that they change the title. That would be obvious.

So, does the next episode continue the scene?

They changed a few titles from the old leaked list. For example The Forrest of Magi Oar was originally the War Forgers (an old name for the Wood Forgers) and Between Brothers was originally Into the Astral Plane part 2.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Honestly I doubt the episode titles have anything to do with the love triangle because it's a multi-episode subplot. The separate episodes don't tend to focus on the romance.

What do you think it will be about.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

They changed a few titles from the old leaked list. For example The Forrest of Magi Oar was originally the War Forgers (an old name for the Wood Forgers) and Between Brothers was originally Into the Astral Plane part 2.

Thanks.

But that is a big difference between alliances and lost causes.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks.

But that is a big difference between alliances and lost causes.

They changed the other titles true but the contents in it were still the same themes wise.
New alliances and Lost causes in any case are the major themes in Ep14, in my oppinion.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They changed the other titles true but the contents in it were still the same themes wise.
New alliances and Lost causes in any case are the major themes in Ep14, in my oppinion.

Agree.

That would be the same as what Balgus82 said about the other titles.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

They changed a few titles from the old leaked list. For example The Forrest of Magi Oar was originally the War Forgers (an old name for the Wood Forgers) and Between Brothers was originally Into the Astral Plane part 2.

They should have kept it Ap2, that would have even more shock.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by KurtulanSama

I may be able to add the caps tomorrow night(GMT +2)
I'll add anything you wrote until tomorrow.

BTW still wondering when will episode 14 be aired?

Pease, Please, please, and Thanks you!!

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Agree.

That would be the same as what Balgus82 said about the other titles.

And Also because of the pattern and facts:

The clifhanger was about the triangle in Ep13 so naturally Ep14 will do that too.

1. example in Ep4 the clifhangger was about Panthro and the next episode 5 was about panthro.
2. Episode 6 the clifhanger was about the book, Ep 7 was about the book
3.In Ep10 the cliff hanger was about finding the forest the next episode 11 was about finding the forest.
4. In Episode 11 the cliff hanger was about getting stone form the known location and mastering SBS and in Ep 12 was about getting the stone and SBS
5.In Ep 12 the ending was a mix of betrayal and love triangle in Ep13 was about the betrayal and the triangle.
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[L08e16o]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmangund

And Also because of the pattern and facts:

The clifhanger was about the triangle in Ep13 so naturally Ep14 will do that too.

1. example in Ep4 the clifhangger was about Panthro and the next episode was about panthro.
2.In Ep9 the cliff hanger was about finding the forest the next episode was about finding the forest.
3. In Episode 11 the cliff hanger was about getting stone's location and mastering SBS and in Ep 12 was about getting the stone with SBS
4.In Ep 12 the ending was a mix of betrayal and love triangle in Ep13 was about the betrayal and the triangle.
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Excellent job.

I hope they carry over that scene.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Excellent job.

I hope they carry over that scene.

No prob.

Mostly they carried over the next day so high possibility I think it will be the next morning, started with the scene the others relizes Lion-O's gone or Lion-O going solo, or another attack from Mumm-RA or Other clans.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And Also because of the pattern and facts:

The clifhanger was about the triangle in Ep13 so naturally Ep14 will do that too.

1. example in Ep4 the clifhangger was about Panthro and the next episode was about panthro.
2.In Ep9 the cliff hanger was about finding the forest the next episode was about finding the forest.
3. In Episode 11 the cliff hanger was about getting stone's location and mastering SBS and in Ep 12 was about getting the stone with SBS
4.In Ep 12 the ending was a mix of betrayal and love triangle in Ep13 was about the betrayal and the triangle.
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I hadn't thought of this before, but you're right they always follow up their cliffhangers the next episode. So hopefully they won't let us down this time.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

No prob.

Mostly they carried over the next day so high possibility I think it will be the next morning, started with the scene the others relizes Lion-O's gone or Lion-O going solo, or another attack from Mumm-RA or Other clans.

During the tower, didn't they follow up with lion-o the next day trying to get into the book?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I hadn't thought of this before, but you're right they always follow up their cliffhangers the next episode. So hopefully they won't let us down this time.

Exactly what I am thinking. They have done T/C angle of the triangle so L/C is upnext, either another 180 Shifts like my little script with SoO connections or the evolved triangle, with Cheetara not really choosing either brothers so that she' still in character. she will not hurt Lion-O's feelings. and form writers prespective if the kill L/C they will loose stories they can pull form the evolved triangle, like the examples with pumyra I did back in the thread. So worst case both ships are go L/C and T/C. Dan's evil laugh clear indication of playing with the love triangle and death, otherwise he did not need to put the laugh there, right after saying cheetara choose tygra and not Mumm-Ra.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

During the tower, didn't they follow up with lion-o the next day trying to get into the book?

Almost always the next day.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Almost always the next day.

Thanks.

I hope it is not the next day. I just think it would add drama if they see him standing there. Then mummra can attack.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I hope it is not the next day. I just think it would add drama if they see him standing there. Then mummra can attack.

Another possibilty of course.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Another possibilty of course.

I think it would be interesting how all sides would react, especially how cheetara would react while the bell rings.

[stormbringer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmangund

And Also because of the pattern and facts:

The clifhanger was about the triangle in Ep13 so naturally Ep14 will do that too.

1. example in Ep4 the clifhangger was about Panthro and the next episode was about panthro.
2.In Ep9 the cliff hanger was about finding the forest the next episode was about finding the forest.
3. In Episode 11 the cliff hanger was about getting stone's location and mastering SBS and in Ep 12 was about getting the stone with SBS
4.In Ep 12 the ending was a mix of betrayal and love triangle in Ep13 was about the betrayal and the triangle.
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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks.

I hope it is not the next day. I just think it would add drama if they see him standing there. Then mummra can attack.

Is that when Lion-o would get injured, and Cheetara would nurse him back to health, like cmangund theorised?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Is that when Lion-o would get injured, and Cheetara would nurse him back to health?

I could deal with that.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What do you think it will be about.

I've already given my theory previously in this thread. The whole book of Omens thing.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Is that when Lion-o would get injured, and Cheetara would nurse him back to health, like cmangund theorised?

Hoepfully it's something like that

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Exactly what I am thinking. They have done T/C angle of the triangle so L/C is upnext, either another 180 Shifts like my little script with SoO connections or the evolved triangle, with Cheetara not really choosing either brothers so that she' still in character. she will not hurt Lion-O's feelings. and form writers prespective if the kill L/C they will loose stories they can pull form the evolved triangle, like the examples with pumyra I did back in the thread. So worst case both ships are go L/C and T/C. Dan's evil laugh clear indication of playing with the love triangle and death, otherwise he did not need to put the laugh there, right after saying cheetara choose tygra and not Mumm-Ra.

I don't think they'll have L/C the next episode. I'm not saying that by the end of the series it won't happen, but If they have her switch guys again this soon it will really confuse viewers even more and make Cheetara look really bad.

Also you have to remember with the conversation with Dan, it was just a conversation. I had previously commented on how the L/C fans wouldn't be happy with his answer and then he laughed and added the rest. It wasn't an official press release or interview or anything like that, so I don't believe you can really read too much into every word (or laugh) he said.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I don't think they'll have L/C the next episode. I'm not saying that by the end of the series it won't happen, but If they have her switch guys again this soon it will really confuse viewers even more and make Cheetara look really bad.

Also you have to remember with the conversation with Dan, it was just a conversation. I had previously commented on how the L/C fans wouldn't be happy with his answer and then he laughed and added the rest. It wasn't an official press release or interview or anything like that, so I don't believe you can really read too much into every word (or laugh) he said.

Point to me is that he didn't have to answer you. You been asking question, has he always answered you?

Have you asked him about why cheetara went to tygra, if she was influence by Annet's prediction?

If they will do E13 at the expense of the main character, they will do it to a B character.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Point to me is that he didn't have to answer you. You been asking question, has he always answered you?

Have you asked him about why cheetara went to tygra, if she was influence by Annet's prediction?

If they will do E13 at the expense of the main character, they will do it to a B character.

I messaged him asking about working on Concept art and he answered then I mentioned how the blog was no longer running and how I missed it and he told me to feel free to ask him questions about the show and he'd answer if he could. He's even said point blank on a question I had that he couldn't answer it. I hadn't previously been asking him anything (except once when I asked him a question about Mumm-ra being weakened by light after the premiere, which he also answered) because I used to ask a lot on the Blog instead. Though he has previously read some posts by me on TCL and posted on my FB wall in response and we've commented on each other's statuses on occasion. He's very gracious and friendly and he would probably answer anyone if they're polite and if he's able.

I haven't asked him why she went to Tygra. Some questions I just assume he can't answer because there could be spoilers and I try not to ask those or questions I believe to be obvious (because she liked him?). And I believe that might be one of them.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I messaged him asking about working on Concept art and he answered then I mentioned how the blog was no longer running and how I missed it and he told me to feel free to ask him questions about the show and he'd answer if he could. He's even said point blank on a question I had that he couldn't answer it. I hadn't previously been asking him anything (except once when I asked him a question about Mumm-ra being weakened by light after the premiere, which he also answered) because I used to ask a lot on the Blog instead. Though he has previously read some posts by me on TCL and posted on my FB wall in response and we've commented on each other's statuses on occasion. He's very gracious and friendly and he would probably answer anyone if they're polite and if he's able.

I haven't asked him why she went to Tygra. Some questions I just assume he can't answer because there could be spoilers and I try not to ask those. I believe that might be one of them.

Thanks.

You don't think that is strange for him to come back with that?

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks.

You don't think that is strange for him to come back with that?

Strange to come back with what?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Strange to come back with what?

The last remark he gave.

The nothing is certain..... not even death.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You don't think that is strange for him to come back with that?

Everything on the crew's blog are also not official press release comments, but we can see verything there as official clues too.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Everything on the crew's blog are also not official press release comments, but we can see verything there as official clues too.

What was the rermark about wouldn't you like the know from?