Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Its all in the details. Cheetara's dilated pupils when looking at Lion-O for 12 episodes shows it all.Those eyes aren't lying

. Same principal that Holmes uses on how to know a woman is really attracted to a man or really likes/love that man. Because Love in its really basic form is really is just the chemistry.

Holmes called love a chemical defect or a weakness.

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To fix the mess?

Yep. If Lion-o and Tygra started to view falling in love as a weakness, all this triangle stuff would fade away.

Big Snarf · 01-11-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

So now Tygra is no longer Grune fan boy?

He still is he just sees grune as "jordan" and bengali as"pippen"

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yep. If Lion-o and Tygra started to view falling in love as a weakness, all this triangle stuff would fade away.

And Cheetara will be free to home in Lion-O.

with Lion-O liking it or not after Holmes therapy, Lion-O cannot stop Cheetara's advancement. Tygra is out of the way now.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 07:42 PM

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Don't speak for me. You don't know what I think. I don't want Lion-O to be a martyr nor do I want Tygra to be king.

The hero getting the girl is a cliche because of movies, not because of classic myths and literature.

David got a lot of women. There are many other heros in games too.

Heck, FF 10 was so popular that they made the X2 just so the hero cloud would get yuna.

My point is there are a lot of steps that does not fall in line with Campbell in The Hero with a Thousand Faces in 1949. That is not classic.

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 07:43 PM

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David got a lot of women. There are many other heros in games too.

Heck, FF 10 was so popular that they made the X2 just so the hero cloud would get yuna.

One perfect Example storywise, although the game itself FFX-2 is bad.

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 07:45 PM

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And Cheetara will be free to home in Lion-O.

with Lion-O liking it or not after Holmes therapy, Lion-O cannot stop Cheetara's advancement. Tygra is out of the way now.

Lion-o will order her to stop! He's the king dang it!

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 07:47 PM

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Lion-o will order her to stop! He's the king dang it!

Unfortunately by that time already too late, his 'sword' already in critical mass

Big Snarf · 01-11-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

With Snow Meooww Lion-O will do the bowel movement dance

and beat tygra.

Nah by that time lion-o will learn how to do the dark knight glare and just that will make tygra have bowel movements. Time for tygra to turn invisible

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Unfortunately by that time already too late, his 'sword' already in critical mass

Lion-o: Get off my "sword" Cheetara, I have a world to save!

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 07:51 PM

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Lion-o: Get off my "sword" Cheetara, I have a world to save!

Cheetara: The world can wait, this cannot. she has to make her feelings clearer to Lion-O afterall.

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 07:54 PM

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Unfortunately by that time already too late, his 'sword' already in critical mass

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Cheetara: The world can wait, this cannot. she has to make her feelings clearer to Lion-O afterall.

All the while, Mummra watches while in crow form. Mwahaha

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

All the while, Mummra watches while in crow form. Mwahaha

Lion-O got the girl but looses the world?

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Furthermore so far they have kept to those steps in the show. Of course he hasn't done ALL of them. The show just started. The article also says stories don't always have all 17.

The Call to Adventure: "The hero starts off in a mundane situation of normality from which some information is received that acts as a call to head off into the unknown."

Episode 1. Lion-O starts off in Thundera during his every day life.

Refusal of the Call: "Often when the call is given, the future hero first refuses to heed it. This may be from a sense of duty or obligation, fear, insecurity, a sense of inadequacy, or any of a range of reasons that work to hold the person in his or her current circumstances."

Episode 1 again. Lion-O see's Mumm-Ra in the sword, but refuses to admit it.

Supernatural Aid: Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his or her guide and magical helper appears, or becomes known. More often than not, this supernatural mentor will present the hero with one or more talismans or artifacts that will aid them later in their quest."

Episode 2 Lion-O is forced to flee and Jaga gives him the sword and gauntlet.

The Crossing of the First Threshold: "This is the point where the person actually crosses into the field of adventure, leaving the known limits of his or her world and venturing into an unknown and dangerous realm where the rules and limits are not known."

Episode 3. after the funeral when they left Thundera.

Belly of The Whale: "The belly of the whale represents the final separation from the hero's known world and self. By entering this stage, the person shows willingness to undergo a metamorphosis."

Episode 3 again. (kinda funny how it's called belly of the whale and the episode was based off Moby Dick eh?)

The Road of Trials: "The road of trials is a series of tests, tasks, or ordeals that the person must undergo to begin the transformation. Often the person fails one or more of these tests, which often occur in threes."

Each episode is kinda a test.

The Meeting With the Goddess: "This is the point when the person experiences a love that has the power and significance of the all-powerful, all encompassing, unconditional love that a fortunate infant may experience with his or her mother. This is a very important step in the process and is often represented by the person finding the other person that he or she loves most completely."

This could be interpreted as Cheetara.

Woman as Temptress: "In this step, the hero faces those temptations that may lead him or her to abandon or stray from his or her quest, which does not necessarily have to be represented by a woman. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey."

This could also be interpreted as Cheetara.

Atonement with the Father: "In this step the person must confront and be initiated by whatever holds the ultimate power in his or her life. In many myths and stories this is the father, or a father figure who has life and death power. This is the center point of the journey. All the previous steps have been moving in to this place, all that follow will move out from it. Although this step is most frequently symbolized by an encounter with a male entity, it does not have to be a male; just someone or thing with incredible power."

Encounter with a male entity. Most likely a future fight with Mumm-Ra.

Apotheosis: "When someone dies a physical death, or dies to the self to live in spirit, he or she moves beyond the pairs of opposites to a state of divine knowledge, love, compassion and bliss. A more mundane way of looking at this step is that it is a period of rest, peace and fulfillment before the hero begins the return."

This could be where the comment Dan made about Death not being permanent comes into play.

The Ultimate Boon: "The ultimate boon is the achievement of the goal of the quest. It is what the person went on the journey to get. All the previous steps serve to prepare and purify the person for this step, since in many myths the boon is something transcendent like the elixir of life itself, or a plant that supplies immortality, or the holy grail."

Getting the stones and bringing the animals together.

The rest of the steps talking about Returning which would be obvious. Lion-O coming back to rebuild Thundera.

I think they're following these steps pretty accurately so far. I don't think I'm "reaching."

You are reaching. You will pull anything from any source so you can have T/C.

Lion-o has never lusted. Tygra has for cheetara. Jealousy is one of the deadly sins. No way around it.

Balgus82 · 01-11-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

David got a lot of women. There are many other heros in games too.

Heck, FF 10 was so popular that they made the X2 just so the hero cloud would get yuna.

Cloud was in ff7. and X2 didn't have any romance in it.

also...david who?

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Lion-O got the girl but looses the world?

guys gotta make sacrifices.

Balgus82 · 01-11-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Lion-o has never lusted.

are you kidding me?
No, you're right. I'm sure he likes Cheetara purely for spiritual reasons.

Balgus82 · 01-11-2012, 08:02 PM

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You are reaching. You will pull anything from any source so you can have T/C.

I don't have to pull anything from anything to get T/C. T/C is official. Dan said she chose Tygra so she chose Tygra.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Cloud was in ff7. and X2 didn't have any romance in it.

also...david who?

David in the Bible.

I meant FFX and FX2.

Kids are use to main character getting the main female.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

are you kidding me?
No, you're right. I'm sure he likes Cheetara purely for spiritual reasons.

How did he lust for her. You need to look up that word.

Lust is an emotional force that is directly associated with the thinking or fantasizing about one's desire, usually in a sexual way

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I don't have to pull anything from anything to get T/C. T/C is official. Dan said she chose Tygra so she chose Tygra.

As of right now.

Why don't you ask him why she chose him.

I bet you Annet's prediction was one of the main factors.

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

guys gotta make sacrifices.

The ultimate sacrifice in the name of Love

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The ultimate sacrifice in the name of Love

Never underestimate the power of the "sword"!

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Never underestimate the power of the "sword"!

Lion-O: SoO is nothing compared to my real sword!

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 08:20 PM

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The ultimate sacrifice in the name of Love

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Lion-O: SoO is nothing compared to my real sword!

Lion-o: That's why I'm the king.

cmangund · 01-11-2012, 08:24 PM

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Lion-o: That's why I'm the king.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 08:31 PM

I still can't get over the pictures. Some of them I didn't remember.

I know she chose tygra right now, but I believe that has to do with Annet.

They way she looks at him is how the person I am with looks at me.

Balgus82 · 01-11-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

How did he lust for her. You need to look up that word.

Lust is an emotional force that is directly associated with the thinking or fantasizing about one's desire, usually in a sexual way

and you don't think Lion-O thought or fantasized about Cheetara?

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 09:08 PM

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and you don't think Lion-O thought or fantasized about Cheetara?

Sorry for not getting back. I am moving to a new house.

For a kids show no.

I really believe lion-o has a crush or strong feelings for cheetara, but I think cheetara likes lion-o more. Those pictures are very telling.

If it was me, yes I would be struggling with someone wearing that outfit.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

He still is he just sees grune as "jordan" and bengali as"pippen"

Now those are names I haven't heard in awhile.

If grune comes back will he try to influence tygra?

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Lion-O: SoO is nothing compared to my real sword!

stormbringer · 01-11-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Now those are names I haven't heard in awhile.

If grune comes back will he try to influence tygra?

Probably since Grune likely feels he and Tygra are a lot alike. Tygra may pretend to be on Grunes side at first, and then turn the tables on him at the end of the episode.

L08e16o · 01-11-2012, 10:09 PM

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Probably since Grune likely feels he and Tygra are a lot alike. Tygra may pretend to be on Grunes side at first, and then turn the tables on him at the end of the episode.

Tygra could use that to his advantage.

Big Snarf · 01-11-2012, 10:37 PM

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Now those are names I haven't heard in awhile.

If grune comes back will he try to influence tygra?

If grune comes back tygra will be happy like in ep1. Tag team match panthro & lion-o vs grune & tygra and the winners get a life time supply of candy fruit

but wait then wilykit and kat come out of nowhere and take out the winners to get the candy fruit

AdamofEternia · 01-12-2012, 02:16 AM

wow... this is getting out of control and we all need to relax and remember this is just a kids cartoon. we shouldn't try to analyze every aspect of the show because realistically everything isn't gonna always make sense. like i said earlier, romance is but a small portion of the show and also we have a whole lot more stories to watch. we are all thundercats fans therefore we shouldn't be attacking each other because of our opinions. the liono fans in this forum should understand that this supposed setback is going to better his character a whole lot. as i mentioned earlier, a hero's journey isn't a pleasant one, he or she will not always get everything they desire. in a lot of fantasy genre, most great heroes have to sacrifice their own happiness for the sake of the world. im not saying liono should stay alone forever but right now isn't the time for romance. i would rather have had the writers leave the cats single. this is just my opinion and im not saying this to offend anyone and i do hope we all not take this triangle thing too seriously.

cmangund · 01-12-2012, 08:13 AM

The dumb triangle is indeed a serious issue!

Eclipse · 01-12-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

wow... this is getting out of control and we all need to relax and remember this is just a kids cartoon. we shouldn't try to analyze every aspect of the show because realistically everything isn't gonna always make sense. like i said earlier, romance is but a small portion of the show and also we have a whole lot more stories to watch. we are all thundercats fans therefore we shouldn't be attacking each other because of our opinions. the liono fans in this forum should understand that this supposed setback is going to better his character a whole lot. as i mentioned earlier, a hero's journey isn't a pleasant one, he or she will not always get everything they desire. in a lot of fantasy genre, most great heroes have to sacrifice their own happiness for the sake of the world. im not saying liono should stay alone forever but right now isn't the time for romance. i would rather have had the writers leave the cats single. this is just my opinion and im not saying this to offend anyone and i do hope we all not take this triangle thing too seriously.

Adam, as you have seen, this group accomodates all views including a number radical enough to stop watching the show altogether if it does not accommodate their ship as soon as Ep. 14. Some have mellowed down and will give it some time, but still, if the final couple is not that one... Well, let's just agree the show has fulfilled one goal and awakened fierce passions.

While I fail to see the logic -but to each their own- this is not a competition to see who will be the last Thundercat fan standing when Ep. 52 airs.

Although by reading some posts you'd suspect the opposite

L08e16o · 01-12-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

wow... this is getting out of control and we all need to relax and remember this is just a kids cartoon. we shouldn't try to analyze every aspect of the show because realistically everything isn't gonna always make sense. like i said earlier, romance is but a small portion of the show and also we have a whole lot more stories to watch. we are all thundercats fans therefore we shouldn't be attacking each other because of our opinions. the liono fans in this forum should understand that this supposed setback is going to better his character a whole lot. as i mentioned earlier, a hero's journey isn't a pleasant one, he or she will not always get everything they desire. in a lot of fantasy genre, most great heroes have to sacrifice their own happiness for the sake of the world. im not saying liono should stay alone forever but right now isn't the time for romance. i would rather have had the writers leave the cats single. this is just my opinion and im not saying this to offend anyone and i do hope we all not take this triangle thing too seriously.

The simple fix is for episode 14 to air.

What is his desire? Finding the stones and cheetara. That is not a lot.

Rebuilding the kingdom is not even on his mind.

L08e16o · 01-12-2012, 09:17 AM

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The dumb triangle is indeed a serious issue!

Agreed.

They had to have it.

cmangund · 01-12-2012, 09:18 AM

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The simple fix is for episode 14 to air.

What is his desire? Finding the stones and cheetara. That is not a lot.

Rebuilding the kingdom is not even on his mind.

He is in a mess, not in the state to rebuild anything thus one of the lost cause of Lost causes.

L08e16o · 01-12-2012, 10:27 AM

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He is in a mess, not in the state to rebuild anything thus one of the lost cause of Lost causes.

Agreed.

Wonder how many lost causes will there be in that episode.

DarkKnight · 01-12-2012, 03:58 PM

Was up!!!!

cmangund · 01-12-2012, 04:19 PM

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Was up!!!!

No new intel yet.

DarkKnight · 01-12-2012, 04:21 PM

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No new intel yet.

unfortunately no

L08e16o · 01-12-2012, 04:54 PM

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unfortunately no

Do you have any pics from the new Batman movie?

DarkKnight · 01-12-2012, 04:55 PM

no.

DarkKnight · 01-12-2012, 05:14 PM

I have something to say: Im gonna say this once and only once. We have turned this discussion to an argument. you know why the attachment link went off? answer: we are all arguing.not just cmangund, stormbringer, big snarf and I. you guys(Balgus82 and Eclipse too. lets just chat amongst ourselves. and if we dont have to say anything nice we stay the @&#* quiet.

L08e16o · 01-12-2012, 06:05 PM

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No new intel yet.

You think Feb is when they will show new episodes?

cmangund · 01-12-2012, 06:16 PM

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You think Feb is when they will show new episodes?

Maybe. Generator Rex that been taking tcats time slot, no more new episodes after Jan, and they haven't change the official time for tcats usual airdate which is fridays, on their web.

stormbringer · 01-12-2012, 06:23 PM

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Maybe. Generator Rex that been taking tcats time slot, no more new episodes after Jan, and they haven't change the official time for tcats usual airdate which is fridays, on their web.

Ahhh CN, you never cease to dissapoint me.

Balgus82 · 01-12-2012, 06:35 PM

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I have something to say: Im gonna say this once and only once. We have turned this discussion to an argument. you know why the attachment link went off? answer: we are all arguing.not just cmangund, stormbringer, big snarf and I. you guys(Balgus82 and Eclipse too. lets just chat amongst ourselves. and if we dont have to say anything nice we stay the @&#* quiet.

I try very hard not to be mean in my posts (though sometimes unfortunately I may come off as so). But this is a discussion board and I think we can discuss different view points civilly.

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L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Balgus82 Don't speak for me. You don't know what I think. I don't want Lion-O to be a martyr nor do I want Tygra to be king. The hero getting the girl is a cliche because of movies, not because of classic myths and literature. David got a lot of women. There are many other heros in games too. Heck, FF 10 was so popular that they made the X2 just so the hero cloud would get yuna. My point is there are a lot of steps that does not fall in line with Campbell in The Hero with a Thousand Faces in 1949. That is not classic. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-11-2012 at 08:01 PM..

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L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Balgus82 Cloud was in ff7. and X2 didn't have any romance in it. also...david who? David in the Bible. I meant FFX and FX2. Kids are use to main character getting the main female. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-11-2012 at 08:06 PM..

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L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Balgus82 I don't have to pull anything from anything to get T/C. T/C is official. Dan said she chose Tygra so she chose Tygra. As of right now. Why don't you ask him why she chose him. I bet you Annet's prediction was one of the main factors. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-11-2012 at 08:20 PM..