Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

I know how all've you feel, disappointed, sad, lied to. I do to, but moping around isn't gonna change anything. we gotta pull it together. who's with me. one for all, and all for one.

I am disappointed in the writing.

[DarkKnight]

gogeta: we out peace.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

gogeta: we out peace.

Take care.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

It's certainly confusing, as evidenced by our weeks of debates.

Makes no sense to me. I just not big into love triangles.

I just think it makes cheetara look bad.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

On the contrary I am not sad because everthing is like what we have analyzed. We have got Cheetara's character, Lion-O's character and Tygra's character right in the triangle anlysis and dicussions.

All we have is T/C connection.

Will L/C connection be the SoO?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

All we have is T/C connection.

Will L/C connection be the SoO?

As of now, yes that could be it. as the writers been tieing their romantic moment with the SoO slowly.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Makes no sense to me. I just not big into love triangles.

I just think it makes cheetara look bad.

From the outside yes Cheetara look bad. But from the inside we know the real reason.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

From the outside yes Cheetara look bad. But from the inside we know the real reason.

What is the real reason? Sorry.

You think she still went to him over the prediction?

[stormbringer]

The writers are gonna have some kind of clean up job, when the next season starts.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What is the real reason? Sorry.

You think she still went to him over the prediction?

Its either

1. http://www.thundercats.ws/thundercat.../24/#post24715

or the 3 points I have posted not so long ago.

Why not, that also still in line with Dan's comments.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The writers are gonna have some kind of clean up job, when the next season starts.

That clean up job can be one of those gray areas too where we don't know for sure her 'real choice' is. Or that she can make the double choice as in she chooses Tyga first in the past than choose Lion-O later after she knows him with the conflicted felings theory comes into play with or without the Cheetara/Lion-O/SoO connection.

either way, worst case both ships are go.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The writers are gonna have some kind of clean up job, when the next season starts.

Agreed.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That clean up job can be one of those gray areas too where we don't know for sure her 'real choice' is. Or that she can make the double choice as in she chooses Tyga first in the past than choose Lion-O later after she knows him with the conflicted felings theory comes into play with or without the Cheetara/Lion-O/SoO connection.

either way, worst case both ships are go.

That would be unrealistic if they make it gray, in E14. I would think lion-o would be PO at cheetara and it will probably lead to him expressing himself.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That would be unrealistic if they make it gray, in E14. I would think lion-o would be PO at cheetara and it will probably lead to him expressing himself.

Well I am using the "not realistic logic" mode because everything is already "unrealistic" anyway. All factors into consideration as usual.

[cmangund]

Aside from the fact Dan's comments just comfirming indrectly and directly that was not an illusions and that both ships L/C and T/C are go. I think there's a possiblity Grune will return to in season 2 as he also said death is not certain.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Well I am using the "not realistic logic" mode because everything is already "unrealistic" anyway. All factors into consideration as usual.

That is true.

Am I to assume that the love triangle has started? I thought they would not drag things out.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Aside from the fact Dan's comments just comfirming indrectly and directly that was not an illusions and that both ships L/C and T/C are go. I think there's a possiblity Grune will return to in season 2 as he also said death is not certain.

Good point.

He did make that comment on purpose. I wasn't thinking about it.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

No, he said feel betrayed by tygra.

No he wouldn't any guy will blame the women first. Unless the writers don't understand that.

key word is "feel"

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is true.

Am I to assume that the love triangle has started? I thought they would not drag things out.

Which why I think Ep 14 for Lion-O/Cheetara will be the soft resolution first thus the initial proper due with the hard proper due maybe Ep26 so that it also agress with Jelenic comments on with each episode you get more with the Lion-O/Cheetara thing.

Triangle maybe the detached Triangle too or the evolved Tirangle so not really starting but "ending" in fact.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

key word is "feel"

If a brother catches his brother with a girl he likes and that has showed interest, he would blame the girl or at least he would blame both of them.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The way the writers wrote it , it came across as a last minute script change, rather than a long term idea.

this is animation. no such thing as a last minute script change. in each second of film there are hundreds of drawings that have to be done. the script would've been done months before it was done being animated. in fact I remember the voice actors saying they were completely done voicing all 26 episodes before the premiere had even aired.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I am lost where they are going.

How does this make thunderdads happy.

My dad is already done with this. He hates tygra and he didn't like how they did lion-o.

all I can say is please don't give up on the show yet cause you obviously feel passionately about it. Give it a chance to redeem itself.

[ji28]

Hello reading to all again and seeing some points I can say this:

The stench of the kiss is not accepted, and I read that a bad influence is the children, in the case of than the triangle this sharing couple's kisses among themselves, and if so because you would become a novel.

For that the theories of illusion or mun-ra will be supposed to be real, Failing that they will lose many children why to some parents do not like novels, on the contrary the t/c is really forced and badly made, like all they say they have had years to form a his relation.

Although by me in what's personal I do not care about the triangle if the final couple is chee-o

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by ji28

Hello reading to all again and seeing some points I can say this:

The stench of the kiss is not accepted, and I read that a bad influence is the children, in the case of than the triangle this sharing couple's kisses among themselves, and if so because you would become a novel.

For that the theories of illusion or mun-ra will be supposed to be real, Failing that they will lose many children why to some parents do not like novels, on the contrary the t/c is really forced and badly made, like all they say they have had years to form a his relation.

Although by me in what's personal I do not care about the triangle if the final couple is chee-o

Agreed. Everything points to Chee-O as the final result. Dan's comments just make our discussions and theories alot stronger.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

all I can say is please don't give up on the show yet cause you obviously feel passionately about it. Give it a chance to redeem itself.

The only way it could redeem itself is L/C. I am sorry, I was sold that in E1-12. I can't change that. I like how they wrote L/C. To make T/C like they did was bad.

I would feel the same way if it was started T/C and E13 had L/C kissing.

I am a OS fans so I love TC, but this can ruin a the memories of the TC I had.

If they fix L/C, then I will buy all the DVDs.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ji28

Hello reading to all again and seeing some points I can say this:

The stench of the kiss is not accepted, and I read that a bad influence is the children, in the case of than the triangle this sharing couple's kisses among themselves, and if so because you would become a novel.

For that the theories of illusion or mun-ra will be supposed to be real, Failing that they will lose many children why to some parents do not like novels, on the contrary the t/c is really forced and badly made, like all they say they have had years to form a his relation.

Although by me in what's personal I do not care about the triangle if the final couple is chee-o

So are you going to stick it out?

I don't like triangles.

[Balgus82]

One thing I believe is since Lion-O is the main Thundercat we're kinda supposed to be seeing and experiencing things from his point of view. Personally I think that's what the writers were trying to accomplish. Lion-O saw Cheetara's support and advice as flirting so that's how we "saw" it too. As if we were watching those scenes through his eyes so to speak.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't like triangles.

Me neither. Like I said before, The important thing is Lion-O/Cheetara keep on developing, does not matter who she chooses, with or without Tygra or even Pumyra later on.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

One thing I believe is since Lion-O is the main Thundercat we're kinda supposed to be seeing and experiencing things from his point of view. Personally I think that's what the writers were trying to accomplish. Lion-O saw Cheetara's support and advice as flirting so that's how we "saw" it too. As if we were watching those scenes through his eyes so to speak.

But that makes cheetara look bad and make the writers bad.

I see more story with L/C. If she thought she was hurting tygra, she crushed lion-o.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Agreed. Everything points to Chee-O as the final result. Dan's comments just make our discussions and theories alot stronger.

In anime triangles are establish early. They give each side a chance.

Just like Tenchi, all there got equal play time.

The triangle always goes to the main lead.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

But that makes cheetara look bad and make the writers bad.

Because cheetara's flirting with Lion-O was indeed real, the kittens and Tygra's comments himself are living proof. And cheetara is not a seductress. All the facts and data are saying it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Because cheetara's flirting with Lion-O was indeed real, the kittens and Tygra's comments himself are living proof. And cheetara is not a seductress. All the facts and data are saying it.

I agree. That is bad writing. They had to do the love triangle to add drama. I don't think this show needed it.


The brother were ready to move on and now this.

[ji28]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

So are you going to stick it out?

I don't like triangles.

If I will arrive at the end but no but I will not buy the dvds if not I like the result.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ji28

If I will arrive at the end but no but I will not buy the dvds if not I like the result.

If in the next three episodes don't have some L/C, I will be done. If they do, I will start buying the DVDs.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The brother were ready to move on and now this.

I believe Tygra will be better towards Lion-O after this. I don't think he can do his usual "rub it in Lion-O's face" bit without completely alienating Cheetara. He just got her, I don't think he'll risk loosing her yet.

The problem is going to be how Lion-O reacts. It can go two ways that I can see. Lion-O can hold it completely against Tygra and things will get worse.
Or with Tygra holding back, Lion-O could loose some of his resentment towards Tygra because I believe Lion-O wouldn't have resented Tygra (before now) nearly as much if Tygra hadn't rubbed his feats in Lion-O's face.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If in the next three episodes don't have some L/C, I will be done. If they do, I will start buying the DVDs.

They will have L/C in the next episodes, regardless what Triangle type they will be using.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I believe Tygra will be better towards Lion-O after this. I don't think he can do his usual "rub it in Lion-O's face" bit without completely alienating Cheetara. He just got her, I don't think he'll risk loosing her yet.

The problem is going to be how Lion-O reacts. It can go two ways that I can see. Lion-O can hold it completely against Tygra and things will get worse.
Or with Tygra holding back, Lion-O could loose some of his resentment towards Tygra because I believe Lion-O wouldn't have resented Tygra (before now) nearly as much if Tygra hadn't rubbed his feats in Lion-O's face.

I think lion-o will resent both and more cheetara.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They will have L/C in the next episodes, regardless what Triangle type they will be using.

I can't see lion-o reacting to cheetara in a postive way.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I can't see lion-o reacting to cheetara in a postive way.

This will make for the beter for Cheetara to try to pry his feelings and the hotter the scene between Lion-O and Cheetara will be. After she realizes his feelings for her and the amount of "damage" she has caused to Lion-O's heart

See what she did to Tygra after relizing how much she has hurt Tygra.
this applies both ways.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

This will make for the beter for Cheetara to try to pry his feelings and the hotter the scene between Lion-O and Cheetara will be. After she realizes his feelings for her and the amount of "damage" she has caused to Lion-O's heart

See what she did to Tygra after relizing how much she has hurt Tygra.
this applies both ways.

I hope they tell each other feelings in the next episode.

She crushed his heart.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I wished they would've run all 26 episodes.

I just have no faith in their writing.

All the clues, interviews, and previous episodes contradict what happen in E13.

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Originally Posted by cmangund

This will make for the beter for Cheetara to try to pry his feelings and the hotter the scene between Lion-O and Cheetara will be. After she realizes his feelings for her and the amount of "damage" she has caused to Lion-O's heart

See what she did to Tygra after relizing how much she has hurt Tygra.
this applies both ways.

Lion-o will probably freeze her out for a while, maybe then she'll learn not to be such a tease.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Lion-o will probably freeze her out for a while, maybe then she'll learn not to be such a tease.

And that will even make the triangle flip more to Lion's side. The higher the amount of guilt Cheetara feel towards Lion-O the hotter the Lion-O/Cheetara thing will be.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And that will even make the triangle flip more to Lion's side. The higher the amount of guilt Cheetara feel towards Lion-O the hotter the Lion-O/Cheetara thing will be.

Yep, I should be a relationship counselor.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yep, I should be a relationship counselor.

The musketeers side duty beside the obvious main duty.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Lion-o will probably freeze her out for a while, maybe then she'll learn not to be such a tease.

I would. She wanted to do that to lion-o that is why it is so dumb.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And that will even make the triangle flip more to Lion's side. The higher the amount of guilt Cheetara feel towards Lion-O the hotter the Lion-O/Cheetara thing will be.

They need to work together.

I don't think she would ever want to hurt lion-o.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I would. She wanted to do that to lion-o that is why it is so dumb.

The entire story already dumb at this point.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

They need to work together.

I don't think she would ever want to hurt lion-o.

The more reason she must make it up and work together with Lion-O's "sword", without the pills

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The entire story already dumb at this point.

Agreed.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The more reason she must make it up and work together with Lion-O's "sword", without the pills

It will be interested on what they will do.

I think lion-o was devastated due to not expecting cheetara to be kissing tygra.