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Old 03-31-2012, 04:34 PM   #101
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That's exactly why Tygra doesn't respect him. Tygra's said from the start that he believes people should earn what they have. He's resentful because he spent his whole life doing what was expected of him and studying and taking everything Claudus said seriously, while Lion-O was a little bit of a dreamer and a slacker.

Honestly I think Tygra would be less resentful if Lion-O didn't always completely ignore his advice.
Well, lion-o has no choice now. He will have to learn from tygra or he will stay dead.
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:55 PM   #102
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I don't think they are fillers, they are developing lion-o in each episode.
They may have developed Lion-O, but the fillers didn't advance the story after they got the Book of Omens back in Legacy. Things didn't move forward until Berbils.
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:16 PM   #103
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howdy.

just wanted to say....that was a great episode.
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:37 PM   #104
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tyga next and mummra is last like old lion o 's trials
old lion o not used in sword of owens in trials
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:38 PM   #105
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Love the ep, it was a gut shot to all of them that Lion O went down, and you could tell by Tygra's face it hit him harder than he let on.

rather looking forward to the next ep when they've had time for the shock to wear off. Wilykit's faith in Lion O really made it for me.

As for Lion O, love the challenges, the twin's challenge was spot on as was Cheetara. Different with just enough nods to the classic trials to make me smile.

Also Cheetara's advice... this says it's either all over, or Lion O has just been going about things with her wrong and needs to change tactics. Either way I look forward to see how things go from here!
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Old 03-31-2012, 05:40 PM   #106
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Just saw the episode.
Barely 50 seconds in and we get a confrontation between Lion-O and Cheetara about misinterpreting signals. This triangle obviously means a lot to these writers. Either they plan on continuing this over the long term or it’s building to some kind of climax at the end of the next episode.

The spirit kittens were pretty much in character, but spirit Cheetara seemed extra flirty or ‘friendlier’ than usual. Either the spirit version of Cheetara is sociopathic, leading Lion-O on, or Lion-O is manifesting his desires on to her, or maybe she represents the real Cheetara’s unconscious desires.
The conversation about running into dead ends and taking a “different path” implies that there may be potential for L/C. Or perhaps she meant Lion-O should get over it.

As for battle strategy, Lion-O should have listened to Panthro about the route to the top of the mountain being too vulnerable. Lion-O was too emotional and brash, not listening to the other Cats.

Last time Tygra was captured all he could do was smirk at Lion-O. This time he did a good job – that was a brutal beating he took. Why couldn’t he have been like this last episode?

Anyway, let’s see how the ‘new’ Lion-O 2.0 turns out. Maybe they’ll reboot this love triangle too?


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Lion-O proved himself to be a bigger twit than anyone could have imagined. And within 5 minutes Tygra demonstrated that he is twice the man and king that Lion-O will ever be. No wonder Cheetara chose him.

OOOPS!!! What I meant to say is: SQUEE! Cheetara kissed Lion-O! That means she really thinks he is the love of her life. Enough of the stupid thing with Tygra! The Cheet-O ship is moving at 60 knots! Cheetara and Lion-O = LFE!
You’re just a silly little troll who seems to be a little too obsessed with cartoon characters.

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Old 03-31-2012, 05:59 PM   #107
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Love the ep, it was a gut shot to all of them that Lion O went down, and you could tell by Tygra's face it hit him harder than he let on.

rather looking forward to the next ep when they've had time for the shock to wear off. Wilykit's faith in Lion O really made it for me.

As for Lion O, love the challenges, the twin's challenge was spot on as was Cheetara. Different with just enough nods to the classic trials to make me smile.

Also Cheetara's advice... this says it's either all over, or Lion O has just been going about things with her wrong and needs to change tactics. Either way I look forward to see how things go from here!
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Just saw the episode.
Barely 50 seconds in and we get a confrontation between Lion-O and Cheetara about misinterpreting signals. This triangle obviously means a lot to these writers. Either they plan on continuing this over the long term or it’s building to some kind of climax at the end of the next episode.

The spirit kittens were pretty much in character, but spirit Cheetara seemed extra flirty or ‘friendlier’ than usual. Either the spirit version of Cheetara is sociopathic, leading Lion-O on, or Lion-O is manifesting his desires on to her, or maybe she represents the real Cheetara’s unconscious desires.
The conversation about running into dead ends and taking a “different path” implies that there may be potential for L/C. Or perhaps she meant Lion-O should get over it.

As for battle strategy, Lion-O should have listened to Panthro about the route to the top of the mountain being too vulnerable. Lion-O was too emotional and brash, not listening to the other Cats.

Last time Tygra was captured all he could do was smirk at Lion-O. This time he did a good job – that was a brutal beating he took. Why couldn’t he have been like this last episode?

Anyway, let’s see how the ‘new’ Lion-O 2.0 turns out. Maybe they’ll reboot this love triangle too?




You’re just a silly little troll who seems to be a little too obsessed with cartoon characters.

I think if she is telling him to move on, she wouldn't of kissed him and give him that advice with her smile. She would be toying with him again. There would be no trinagle too.

He didn't expect her to kiss him, so he is not just going to give up on her now.

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Old 03-31-2012, 06:06 PM   #108
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I don't get why Cheetara questioned the book and Lion-o's decision . Shouldn't she, as a cleric, believe that the book is right? Unless i've missed something, the book has never failed to show them where the stone is.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:16 PM   #109
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Rewatching the episode now. The rest of the group were definitely already captured when Lion-O got pushed over the cliff. They just didn't show them getting cuffed. First you see Addicus stop Tygra, then you see Kaynar stop Cheetara, then Addicus and Kaynar are both free when they push Lion-O and in the next scene (right after he fell) the whole group is cuffed up with a lizard guarding them. So it seems to me like Addicus and Kaynar handed them off to the lizard guard after they caught them.

No idea who beat Panthro or Kit cause they didn't actually show that.

They probably did it like that to save time. Afterall they only get like 22 minutes per episode.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:18 PM   #110
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I think if she is telling him to move on, she wouldn't of kissed him and give him that advice with her smile. She would be toying with him again. There would be no trinagle too.

He didn't expect her to kiss him, so he is not just going to give up on her now.
That’s what I thought too. Although, let’s not forget this is Cheetara we are talking about. I don’t trust these writers when it comes to her characterisation, particularly in terms of consistency. They made that line a little ambiguous deliberately. But yeah, I agree with you.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:24 PM   #111
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Rewatching the episode now. The rest of the group were definitely already captured when Lion-O got pushed over the cliff. They just didn't show them getting cuffed. First you see Addicus stop Tygra, then you see Kaynar stop Cheetara, then Addicus and Kaynar are both free when they push Lion-O and in the next scene (right after he fell) the whole group is cuffed up with a lizard guarding them. So it seems to me like Addicus and Kaynar handed them off to the lizard guard after they caught them.

No idea who beat Panthro or Kit cause they didn't actually show that.

They probably did it like that to save time. Afterall they only get like 22 minutes per episode.
When Addicus and Kaynar are free, why didn't the others do anything, regardless of the cuffs? We see Tygra goad them later....like, couldn't Cheetara have used her superspeed to do something like get behind one of the lizards and choke them or do something with her staff? and i can't believe Panthro was captured, he has new arms now. The twins know how to pick locks, so they should have been able to do something. I wonder where Snarf is.....?
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:32 PM   #112
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When Addicus and Kaynar are free, why didn't the others do anything, regardless of the cuffs? We see Tygra goad them later....like, couldn't Cheetara have used her superspeed to do something like get behind one of the lizards and choke them or do something with her staff? and i can't believe Panthro was captured, he has new arms now. The twins know how to pick locks, so they should have been able to do something. I wonder where Snarf is.....?
Why didn’t they do anything? Simple, the plot demanded it so they deliberately depowered everyone, especially Panthro who managed to knock out all three of them out last episode. Have you also noticed, Cheetara’s super-speed seems to stop working whenever they really need it the most, like when Tygra was first struck by Addicus or even the hostage situation in the last episode?

Their abilities seem to “malfunction” at the most inappropriate times.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:33 PM   #113
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Wow, that was uncalled for.
What do you mean? There's something for everyone in that post.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:33 PM   #114
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That’s what I thought too. Although, let’s not forget this is Cheetara we are talking about. I don’t trust these writers when it comes to her characterisation, particularly in terms of consistency. They made that line a little ambiguous deliberately. But yeah, I agree with you.
I think they are doing this to build the drama. Lets face it, lion-o has gone about this wrong. He should've said something in the begining.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:37 PM   #115
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You’re just a silly little troll who seems to be a little too obsessed with cartoon characters.
Oh, come on!!! Lighten up! Only people who are too obsessed with cartoon characters would consider that post trollish. It's a joke. Tee-hee! Laugh. Come on! LAUGH!
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:40 PM   #116
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It is a good thing lion-o's landings do not make him fail the trails.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:50 PM   #117
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Wileykit's gonna have such a big crush on Lion-O when he gets back. It's gonna be hilarious.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:07 PM   #118
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Wileykit's gonna have such a big crush on Lion-O when he gets back. It's gonna be hilarious.
If only she were older i could ship them.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:08 PM   #119
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Wileykit's gonna have such a big crush on Lion-O when he gets back. It's gonna be hilarious.
Too bad she's not older, that would end this triangle silliness.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:08 PM   #120
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If someone finds an online version please share.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:13 PM   #121
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They're just pouring salt in the wounds at this point. I asked once before, who exactly was the target audience for this triangle?
The "Real Target Audience" is for 'Jelenic' himself in his "evil mind" Don't forget this NS cartoon is written mainly by Mumm-ra himself.

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:19 PM   #122
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The "Real Target Audience" is for 'Jelenic' himself in his "evil mind" Don't forget this NS cartoon is written mainly by Mumm-ra himself.

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Yep, Jelenic seems like he's the only one enjoying this silliness.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:22 PM   #123
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:25 PM   #124
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Watch Thundercats 2011 episode 15 - The Trials of Lion-O, part 1 online | Watch Anime Online | Animeflavor.com

There you go :-)

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:28 PM   #125
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The "Real Target Audience" is for 'Jelenic' himself in his "evil mind" Don't forget this NS cartoon is written mainly by Mumm-ra himself.

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Watch Thundercats 2011 episode 15 - The Trials of Lion-O, part 1 online | Watch Anime Online | Animeflavor.com

There you go :-)

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So I didn't mean to double post.
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Don't worry, I will delete my link.

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:35 PM   #126
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I think they are doing this to build the drama. Lets face it, lion-o has gone about this wrong. He should've said something in the begining.

Definitely, he should have. But there was no way he could have foreseen T/C in the way it happened, it was too unexpected. The writers could have shown him taking some initiative later on in the season if Cheetara’s choice would have been postponed. Maybe if he saw she was providing less “support” to him or perhaps showing some interest in Tygra. Instead, he was made to deal with a 180 turn on Cheetara’s part which was justified with a 23 second flashback.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:41 PM   #127
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Definitely, he should have. But there was no way he could have foreseen T/C in the way it happened, it was too unexpected. The writers could have shown him taking some initiative later on in the season if Cheetara’s choice would have been postponed. Maybe if he saw she was providing less “support” to him or perhaps showing some interest in Tygra. Instead, he was made to deal with a 180 turn on Cheetara’s part which was justified with a 23 second flashback.
Ah yes the infamous flower flashback. I wonder if the writers have ever seen a love triangle done properly in other franchises? Because that was very unconvincing.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:45 PM   #128
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Ah yes the infamous flower flashback. I wonder if the writers have ever seen a love triangle done properly in other franchises? Because that was very unconvincing.
The only way a flashback like that is ok is if it's a shoujo anime. Even then, they have more development and usually have a better plot for the confession.
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I did like Lion-O's like "Or in other words, youlose." He's on his first steps to getting over her.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:46 PM   #130
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Ok, I have watched 9 times. IMHO.

The dead end she is referring to is his attitude. Every time cheetara has said something after the kiss, he has thrown back in her face. He started the same way with the cheetara in the AP. Then he said I have ran into pleanty, she kissed him to get his attention. He was getting it. That got his attention and she gave him advice. He needs to go about it differently if he wants to be with her.
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Ah yes the infamous flower flashback. I wonder if the writers have ever seen a love triangle done properly in other franchises? Because that was very unconvincing.
Can anyone even a love triangle properly?
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:47 PM   #132
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Definitely, he should have. But there was no way he could have foreseen T/C in the way it happened, it was too unexpected. The writers could have shown him taking some initiative later on in the season if Cheetara’s choice would have been postponed. Maybe if he saw she was providing less “support” to him or perhaps showing some interest in Tygra. Instead, he was made to deal with a 180 turn on Cheetara’s part which was justified with a 23 second flashback.
I agree. What I meant is he should have said something to tygra.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:48 PM   #133
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Can anyone even a love triangle properly?
They do in Japan. They have harems and they still can do a trinagle.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:48 PM   #134
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The only way a flashback like that is ok is if it's a shoujo anime. Even then, they have more development and usually have a better plot for the confession.
Agreed. They do give equal development.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:49 PM   #135
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Will the cats get captured and lion-o saves them or will they be fighting and he saves them?
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:50 PM   #136
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They do in Japan. They have harems and they still can do a trinagle.
I don't know, I've seen may fair share of anime and even in the good ones the entire concept seems kind of dumb. I think that sort of thing only really works when you play it for comedy, because it's a ridiculous premise to begin with.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:50 PM   #137
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Just saw the episode.
Barely 50 seconds in and we get a confrontation between Lion-O and Cheetara about misinterpreting signals. This triangle obviously means a lot to these writers. Either they plan on continuing this over the long term or it’s building to some kind of climax at the end of the next episode.

The spirit kittens were pretty much in character, but spirit Cheetara seemed extra flirty or ‘friendlier’ than usual. Either the spirit version of Cheetara is sociopathic, leading Lion-O on, or Lion-O is manifesting his desires on to her, or maybe she represents the real Cheetara’s unconscious desires.
The conversation about running into dead ends and taking a “different path” implies that there may be potential for L/C. Or perhaps she meant Lion-O should get over it.

As for battle strategy, Lion-O should have listened to Panthro about the route to the top of the mountain being too vulnerable. Lion-O was too emotional and brash, not listening to the other Cats.

Last time Tygra was captured all he could do was smirk at Lion-O. This time he did a good job – that was a brutal beating he took. Why couldn’t he have been like this last episode?

Anyway, let’s see how the ‘new’ Lion-O 2.0 turns out. Maybe they’ll reboot this love triangle too?




You’re just a silly little troll who seems to be a little too obsessed with cartoon characters.
The spirits took forms that Lion-O was comfortable with. I think that pretty much confirms that they were manifestations of his own mind, not translated consciousness from the gang. Seeing as Lion-O is not comfortable with T/C it makes sense that he would see her as he wants to, as someone who is interested in him.
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The spirits took forms that Lion-O was comfortable with. I think that pretty much confirms that they were manifestations of his own mind, not translated consciousness from the gang. Seeing as Lion-O is not comfortable with T/C it makes sense that he would see her as he wants to, as someone who is interested in him.
Or as a tease who plays with him.
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Too bad she's not older, that would end this triangle silliness.
I am not so sure, knowing Jelenic. If she's older, she may have eyes on both Lion-O and Tygra thus it will be another "fight" with Cheetara.

She is safe from this predicament because she is a kid.

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Old 03-31-2012, 07:53 PM   #140
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Can anyone even a love triangle properly?
I've seen some good ones, of course they were from anime/manga, but they were written great, imo. Like, for example (manga wise), Sailor Moon/Usagi and Tuxedo Kamen/Mamoru, Usagi didn't lose any characterization after she got with Mamoru. Anime wise, i'd say Tenchi and Ryouko. T/R had a great backstory.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:56 PM   #141
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I am not so sure, knowing Jelenic. If she's older, she may have eyes on both Lion-O and Tygra thus it will be another "fight" with Cheetara.

She is safe from this predicament because she is a kid.

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They better watch out, Auburn will put the smack down on anyone who messes with kit.
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I don't know, I've seen may fair share of anime and even in the good ones the entire concept seems kind of dumb. I think that sort of thing only really works when you play it for comedy, because it's a ridiculous premise to begin with.
The problem that I've had with triangles, is that in most cases its very difficult to write them in a way that doesn't end up with at least 1 of the characters, looking like the villain, or an idiot.
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They better watch out, Auburn will put the smack down on anyone who messes with kit.
Don't mess with Auburn! Or be flattened to the ground! literally

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Auburn gets word of kit having a crush on lion-o, lion-o will not make it. Auburn will be waiting for him when he wakes up.
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:59 PM   #145
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I've seen some good ones, of course they were from anime/manga, but they were written great, imo. Like, for example (manga wise), Sailor Moon/Usagi and Tuxedo Kamen/Mamoru, Usagi didn't lose any characterization after she got with Mamoru. Anime wise, i'd say Tenchi and Ryouko. T/R had a great backstory.
Manga Sailor Moon didn't really have a triangle because there was no third party. Tenchi is one of the examples where the love triangle (or, since this is Tenchi, a dodecahedron) works because it's so hilarious. Tenchi and Ryoko do have a nice backstory, but it's revealed in (SHOCKER!) a flashback.
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I am not so sure, knowing Jelenic. If she's older, she may have eyes on both Lion-O and Tygra thus it will be another "fight" with Cheetara.

She is safe from this predicament because she is a kid.

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True, if Wilykit was older, we'd probably end up with a L/W/T/C quadrangle.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:02 PM   #147
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It would be kind of nice to see Wileykit develop a crush on Lion-O and he has to find a way to let her down gently. It could give him more perspective on his relationship with Cheetarah.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:02 PM   #148
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Manga Sailor Moon didn't really have a triangle because there was no third party. Tenchi is one of the examples where the love triangle (or, since this is Tenchi, a dodecahedron) works because it's so hilarious. Tenchi and Ryoko do have a nice backstory, but it's revealed in (SHOCKER!) a flashback.
Ah, i forgot.....though i do give SM credit for Usagi for not being giving up all the time. And T/R had a better flashback that made more sense. I think a good "triangle" would be something like Bleach's IchiRuki vs IchiHime. They both get development. Sadly, i haven't found one instance of an american show doing this.
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Auburn gets word of kit having a crush on lion-o, lion-o will not make it. Auburn will be waiting for him when he wakes up.
The power of the Spirit Stone will protect Lion-o, and smite Auburn.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:03 PM   #150
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Auburn gets word of kit having a crush on lion-o, lion-o will not make it. Auburn will be waiting for him when he wakes up.
Uh-oh another ship problem

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