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Old 05-08-2012, 09:34 AM   #201
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What I don't get is they (writers) are worried about saying Ho, but they had now problem having tygra say "Instead of doing it by yourself, why don't you do it with me".
LMAO

Kids don't get that. It's a joke for adults. Such as the "getting lucky" comment after the kiss. There have been a lot of them in previous episodes, and you can find them about everywhere now. Even Disney shows and movies.

I should know, there's a lot of Disney time in my life *sigh*
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:58 AM   #202
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all in all I'm just speculating and trying to formulate some theories. the only thing I know for certain is something is building for Ty/Chee good or ill (do have a bad feeling tho), AND that sword, regardless who weilds it, Tygra, Cheetara, Mumm Ra or Wilykat (there's a mental image for you :P ), that sword is bad news.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:18 AM   #203
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LMAO

Kids don't get that. It's a joke for adults. Such as the "getting lucky" comment after the kiss. There have been a lot of them in previous episodes, and you can find them about everywhere now. Even Disney shows and movies.
when I was ten, I had no idea it was to have a girlfriend, and found that the kisses were disgusting, and always playing with toys ... children understand now, mate. they know all they see everything, even girls at twelve begin to have contact (If you know what I mean). so that they understand and most of us. They get that!
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:55 AM   #204
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LMAO

Kids don't get that. It's a joke for adults. Such as the "getting lucky" comment after the kiss. There have been a lot of them in previous episodes, and you can find them about everywhere now. Even Disney shows and movies.

I should know, there's a lot of Disney time in my life *sigh*
I caught none of the Animaniac jokes as a child

..some more for the road

Keep in mind that Gumball and Fiona were talking about the "ball that he was hosting".


As for this episode, I didn't think anything of the lucky thing until I got to tumblr. I think it was just as "bad" as the sword joke.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:14 AM   #205
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I understand the gauntlet being too big, but the sword? You don't need to be wearing the gauntlet to unsheath it and use it... unless I need to watch it again and see something I have missed.

In any case, it was all about exploring what could happen given CC's premise, with no certain basis that something like that is actually going to happen.
Maybe the gauntlet could shrink to fit Tygra? Didn't Claudus' gauntlet shrink to fit Lion-o, when Claudus died?
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:48 AM   #206
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LMAO

Kids don't get that. It's a joke for adults. Such as the "getting lucky" comment after the kiss. There have been a lot of them in previous episodes, and you can find them about everywhere now. Even Disney shows and movies.

I should know, there's a lot of Disney time in my life *sigh*
My favorite one so far has been in Song of the Petalers where Lion-o tells Kit or Kat that Cheetara was "teaching him how to use his sword".
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:36 PM   #207
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when I was ten, I had no idea it was to have a girlfriend, and found that the kisses were disgusting, and always playing with toys ... children understand now, mate. they know all they see everything, even girls at twelve begin to have contact (If you know what I mean). so that they understand and most of us. They get that!
I talk from my experience, YMMV. I see my kids laughing when we laugh, because we're laughing. When I ask them what the joke was, they have no clue. Kisses are disgusting and Cheetara is too young to have a boyfriend.

As soon as they get it, I won't throw a fit: it's only natural that they will. Getting the jokes does not mean their development will be hindered or that they will be rendered vulnerable to their environment, IMO. Besides, the situation between Cheetara and Tygra was set up in a correct and respectful manner, won't you agree?

About the bolded text, according to a parent's meeting at school three years ago, the age is 11 now. That's not every child, thankfully, it's just the statistics about how much we need to keep our eyes open.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:04 PM   #208
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all in all I'm just speculating and trying to formulate some theories. the only thing I know for certain is something is building for Ty/Chee good or ill (do have a bad feeling tho), AND that sword, regardless who weilds it, Tygra, Cheetara, Mumm Ra or Wilykat (there's a mental image for you :P ), that sword is bad news.
No kidding. And bad news are great for every story I still don't think we'll lose a ThunderCat to the dark side, but if we do... chapeaux.

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Maybe the gauntlet could shrink to fit Tygra? Didn't Claudus' gauntlet shrink to fit Lion-o, when Claudus died?
I didn't see it shrink, but it does seem to give a one-size-fits-all vibe lmao If that's the case, why wouldn't Mumm-Ra's be the same? Especially considering our favorite villain changes sizes himself quite often.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:15 PM   #209
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If a Thundercat is to head for the dark side and be corrupted, it'd likely be Tygra since he's arrogant. I could also see Lion-O replacing Tygra with Bengali if this were to happen. I agree that Tygra could wield the Sword of Plundarr without the gauntlet and try to battle Lion-O.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:34 PM   #210
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Tigra needs to realize that being king can really suck. Sure it's fine if your kingdom is all great, and top of the world. But right now Thundara is gone. The Cat's scattered and enslaved. And whoever the king is, has to unite the races, beat Mumm-Ra, and then see about rebuilding. Basicly Lion-O is stuck with all the bad parts for being a king. Tigra isn't. So the question is if Tigra was king, could he shoulder that burden?
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That would depend on the direction he wants to go because if he just wanted to be like ratilla it would be easy if you utilize either sword in that manner and rule. Hold a sec the sword of omens won't work for him hmm so that leaves the SoP we'll have to wait and see but as someone posted earlier we are all in for a real cliff hanger and someones face will be looking like lion -o's did all
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The gauntlet is too big but he should be able to use the sword of plundar if he wanted to. Also since its a magical metal maybe it can conform to the size the hand that is using it, Claudis was much bigger then lion-o and the gauntlet fits like a glove (no pun intended )
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all in all I'm just speculating and trying to formulate some theories. the only thing I know for certain is something is building for Ty/Chee good or ill (do have a bad feeling tho), AND that sword, regardless who weilds it, Tygra, Cheetara, Mumm Ra or Wilykat (there's a mental image for you :P ), that sword is bad news.
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If a Thundercat is to head for the dark side and be corrupted, it'd likely be Tygra since he's arrogant. I could also see Lion-O replacing Tygra with Bengali if this were to happen. I agree that Tygra could wield the Sword of Plundarr without the gauntlet and try to battle Lion-O.
I don't think that Tygra can handle the burden of a king - IF we take the Trials of Lion-O in account and IF the writers don't forget about it - tell about regression ha! Since then in the pyramid I think, Tygra now realizes what responsibilities a king has. Lion-O has been forced into since day one by Jaga, but Jaga is wise enough to see the potential of Lion-O being the right king. I hope from Lion-O's statement to Pumyra regarding the triangle, it's over now and they can concentrate on Mumm-ra. Wonder, if they loose the sword to himů
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:39 PM   #211
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If a Thundercat is to head for the dark side and be corrupted, it'd likely be Tygra since he's arrogant. I could also see Lion-O replacing Tygra with Bengali if this were to happen. I agree that Tygra could wield the Sword of Plundarr without the gauntlet and try to battle Lion-O.
I could see tygra going dark, but not for along period.

Maybe they fight again and lion-o wins. Lion-o is weaken and mummra shows up and kicks a$$. Mummra takes the spirit stone and before he can't take them out, Dobo comes in and rescuse them. Just saying.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:40 PM   #212
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I don't think that Tygra can handle the burden of a king - IF we take the Trials of Lion-O in account and IF the writers don't forget about it - tell about regression ha! Since then in the pyramid I think, Tygra now realizes what responsibilities a king has. Lion-O has been forced into since day one by Jaga, but Jaga is wise enough to see the potential of Lion-O being the right king. I hope from Lion-O's statement to Pumyra regarding the triangle, it's over now and they can concentrate on Mumm-ra. Wonder, if they loose the sword to himů
Come on, writers need drama.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:11 PM   #213
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A post from Dan Norton, art director of Thundercats. Worth reading his last few posts.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:46 PM   #214
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:51 PM   #215
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I see that someone said Dan had told them that the triangle was misleading intentionally to upset viewers. Is there a source?
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:22 PM   #216
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I see that someone said Dan had told them that the triangle was misleading intentionally to upset viewers. Is there a source?
???

I just see him getting on the poster.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:33 PM   #217
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???

I just see him getting on the poster.
Oh, i found it. It's somewhere in there, that the triangle was fake and he justified the flower thing too. Though since he also called Cheetara an anorexic ho i'm not surprised he's flipping out.

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Old 05-08-2012, 03:48 PM   #218
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Oh, i found it. It's somewhere in there, that the triangle was fake and he justified the flower thing too. Though since he also called Cheetara an anorexic ho i'm not surprised he's flipping out.
Thanks.
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:24 PM   #219
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Don't want to sound like a jerk, but no pics for 20?

I saw them on Thundercats now.
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:31 PM   #220
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So when mummra gets his SoP will be get the spirit stone?
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:15 PM   #221
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There are other stones for Mumm-Ra to recapture to bring the Plundarr armor back from Legacy. Lion-O may need to find other stones to re-activate the Armor of Omens from Legacy as well.

I will bet you that if Mumm-Ra does get the Sword of Plundarr back with the Gauntlet, Tygra would end up being the one to cause this.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:22 PM   #222
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Oh, i found it. It's somewhere in there, that the triangle was fake and he justified the flower thing too. Though since he also called Cheetara an anorexic ho i'm not surprised he's flipping out.
tend to agree with that Nick guy, but not to the extreme he was taking it, and don't blame Dan for the defense. Though I do say I would say that Ty/Chee needs a LOT more to make sense to me, and some explination on her actions in the first few eps better than 'Jaga told me to'. That said, we're just on ep 20, a lot can happen before ep 52+
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #223
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tend to agree with that Nick guy, but not to the extreme he was taking it, and don't blame Dan for the defense. Though I do say I would say that Ty/Chee needs a LOT more to make sense to me, and some explination on her actions in the first few eps better than 'Jaga told me to'. That said, we're just on ep 20, a lot can happen before ep 52+
I agree. I think they like misdirections.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:34 PM   #224
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There are other stones for Mumm-Ra to recapture to bring the Plundarr armor back from Legacy. Lion-O may need to find other stones to re-activate the Armor of Omens from Legacy as well.

I will bet you that if Mumm-Ra does get the Sword of Plundarr back with the Gauntlet, Tygra would end up being the one to cause this.
I like tygra to go on the dark side for a little bit.

All lion-o needs is the green stone and he will have the AoO.

I want to see a big B/B one last time.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:45 PM   #225
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So did they actually let this episode go without anyone saying "Thundercats are loose"?
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:47 PM   #226
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So did they actually let this episode go without anyone saying "Thundercats are loose"?
When is the last time we heard Hoooo? Episode 14?
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:35 PM   #227
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Good thought.

I don't think lion-o has unlocked the true power of the SoO.
You know, I've been wondering this myself lately. One of the most dramatic parts of the original series that has been completely absent from this series has been the true power of the SoO. And by that I mean that when he called Thundercats Ho, all the cats' eyes would glow and they would turn insanely powerful for a short time.

I wonder if they're building to that and that's why they haven't had him say the words that many times. I wonder if he's gonna finally say it when he's truly earned his kingship, it's gonna make the cat symbol appear on all their gems, and we're gonna get the eye-glow power up?

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Old 05-08-2012, 08:44 PM   #228
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"Not meant to be wielded by a thundercat" doesn't mean it can't be wielded by a thundercat
I think it just means that they needed to write an explanation for why they're not going to use the powerful new weapon they just found.
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You know, I've been wondering this myself lately. One of the most dramatic parts of the original series that has been completely absent from this series has been the true power of the SoO. And by that I mean that when he called Thundercats Ho, all the cats' eyes would glow and they would turn insanely powerful for a short time.

I wonder if they're building to that and that's why they haven't had him say the words that many times. I wonder if he's gonna finally say it when he's truly earned his kingship, it's gonna make the cat symbol appear on all their gems, and we're gonna get the eye-glow power up?
Yeah the SoO has been pretty weak so far, I mean not even one good "Sword of Omens, come to my hand", yet.
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You know, I've been wondering this myself lately. One of the most dramatic parts of the original series that has been completely absent from this series has been the true power of the SoO. And by that I mean that when he called Thundercats Ho, all the cats' eyes would glow and they would turn insanely powerful for a short time.

I wonder if they're building to that and that's why they haven't had him say the words that many times. I wonder if he's gonna finally say it when he's truly earned his kingship, it's gonna make the cat symbol appear on all their gems, and we're gonna get the eye-glow power up?
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Yeah the SoO has been pretty weak so far, I mean not even one good "Sword of Omens, come to my hand", yet.
Yeah, all it's done so far is tear apart and crash a ship the size of a small city, defeat several lizards at once in a single stroke, and burn the hell out of Mumm-Ra so badly he ran like a little girl. Pathetic!

It's a different show, different rules apply. If the sword even can return to Lion-O's hand and hasn't it isn't because the sword is weak, it's because Lion-O hasn't mastered that skill yet. None of the other cat's powers are granted by the sword either, the eye glow and "power up" is a function of their loyalty to Lion-O and so far only Cheetara has displayed that level of loyalty. The purpose of the Thundercats signal is to call the other cats to Lion-O's side when he needs them. If they're right there there's really no need for it (although he has used it with them right there before). In the old series it was over-used (pretty much every episode) and really served no purpose other than to pad out the show with stock footage and allow the other cats a token appearance in an otherwise Lion-O only episode (of which there were quite a few). By the time they even got to him he had most likely already beaten whatever he needed help with. Limiting the use of it is for the best, as it actually means something when he does do it.

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Old 05-08-2012, 10:26 PM   #231
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Cheetara displayed it once. They really really need to consider having the other cats maybe display the eye-glowy thing as well, maybe as an affirmation that after the trials of Lion-O, they've acknowledged Lion-O as the king.

The talking ratmen need to be more disturbing though. They're kinda vanilla. But then my idea of ratmen comes from GWs skaven.
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Yeah, all it's done so far is tear apart and crash a ship the size of a small city, defeat several lizards at once in a single stroke, and burn the hell out of Mumm-Ra so badly he ran like a little girl. Pathetic!

It's a different show, different rules apply. If the sword even can return to Lion-O's hand and hasn't it isn't because the sword is weak, it's because Lion-O hasn't mastered that skill yet. None of the other cat's powers are granted by the sword either, the eye glow and "power up" is a function of their loyalty to Lion-O and so far only Cheetara has displayed that level of loyalty. The purpose of the Thundercats signal is to call the other cats to Lion-O's side when he needs them. If they're [I]right there[I] there's really no need for it (although he has used it with them right there before). In the old series it was over-used (pretty much every episode) and really served no purpose other than to pad out the show with stock footage and allow the other cats a token appearance in an otherwise Lion-O only episode (of which there were quite a few). By the time they even got to him he had most likely already beaten whatever he needed help with. Limiting the use of it is for the best, as it actually means something when he does do it.
Hmm... I never said it was weak, don't include me. All I meant by true power was the eye glowy thing. And, by my understanding and the wiki, that is a power of the sword, although the cats need to acknowledge it to make it work. It DOES power them up for a second, even if they're right there.

All I'm saying is maybe they're building to that, and that's why they've been avoiding using it. We'll get this big 'king' moment where Lion-o makes the call and they all power up and finally get the symbol. Theory. I had actually forgotten the time it worked on Cheetara, though if anything that adds to my theory.

to the other thing. Powers are not given meaning when they are used less, they are given meaning when they are used in a meaningful way. Original series aside, that is NOT what they've been doing here. THey've just had him use it randomly a couple of times and then they stopped completely. Was using it in song of the petalars more meaningful than it would have been to use it in the trials of lion-o when he comes back from the dead and reclaims the sword from Mumm-ra? No. And was song of the petalars the only time they showed it actually making the giant signal in the sky (this is not rhetorical, I don't remember)?
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:38 PM   #233
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LMAO

Kids don't get that. It's a joke for adults. Such as the "getting lucky" comment after the kiss. There have been a lot of them in previous episodes, and you can find them about everywhere now. Even Disney shows and movies.

I should know, there's a lot of Disney time in my life *sigh*
People should watch the Breakfast Club parody of Victorious.

They turned the whole "virgin" scene into a "vegan" scene. Kids won't get the joke, but adults would.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:43 PM   #234
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What I don't get is they (writers) are worried about saying Ho, but they had now problem having tygra say "Instead of doing it by yourself, why don't you do it with me".
I thought this was flirty, but I didn't catch the joke....well my head didnt go there until I got here Kids are totally not getting this.
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Why does everyone keep saying the Sword of Omens won't work for Tygra? There's been no evidence to that. What has been said by the crew is that other cats can use the sword (as Jaga more than proved in this very episode), but it only reaches it's full potential in the right hands (i.e. Lion-O or Leo).
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Anyway if Tygra did use the SoP, I think he would only use it against the army as a last resort. Since the Trials he's really calmed down on the whole "wanting the crown" thing. I could see him trying to use it, but since he's using it for a good purpose it harms him or makes him sick or puts him in a coma for an episode or so. But I don't think he's going to use it. I think Mumm-Ra's going to get his hands on it. Let's face it, Mumm-Ra needs it to continue being a credible threat.
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tend to agree with that Nick guy, but not to the extreme he was taking it, and don't blame Dan for the defense. Though I do say I would say that Ty/Chee needs a LOT more to make sense to me, and some explination on her actions in the first few eps better than 'Jaga told me to'. That said, we're just on ep 20, a lot can happen before ep 52+
Dan implied that Tygra and Cheetara have stolen moments together over the years, but that they just haven't shown it on the show yet. He said we've seen less than half of the story and some things just set things up for the future.

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Yeah, all it's done so far is tear apart and crash a ship the size of a small city, defeat several lizards at once in a single stroke, and burn the hell out of Mumm-Ra so badly he ran like a little girl. Pathetic!

It's a different show, different rules apply. If the sword even can return to Lion-O's hand and hasn't it isn't because the sword is weak, it's because Lion-O hasn't mastered that skill yet. None of the other cat's powers are granted by the sword either, the eye glow and "power up" is a function of their loyalty to Lion-O and so far only Cheetara has displayed that level of loyalty. The purpose of the Thundercats signal is to call the other cats to Lion-O's side when he needs them. If they're right there there's really no need for it (although he has used it with them right there before). In the old series it was over-used (pretty much every episode) and really served no purpose other than to pad out the show with stock footage and allow the other cats a token appearance in an otherwise Lion-O only episode (of which there were quite a few). By the time they even got to him he had most likely already beaten whatever he needed help with. Limiting the use of it is for the best, as it actually means something when he does do it.

Weak probably wasn't the best way for me to put it, more like "restrained". The Sword doesn't seem to be quite as impressive as in the OS.
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:37 AM   #239
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Got to tell you guys, after reading about the facebook posts by Dan Norton, and watching this episode.......I think I'm done with this series.

I was a fan of the original series as a kid and maybe i am a little biased in how some of the characters and plot have been handled versus how i believe they should have been handled. Since the end of ep 13 the series left a bad taste in my mouth (The 180 in the triangle and the inconsistency in characters) I thought with time they would have had an overall reasoning for it, but now knowing that a good portion of it was to mess with us. and now they are just going to use future episodes as tools for justifying that mess?.........no....no I'm sorry but no.

The episodes that followed, while some have been good, have just drained my enthusiasm for the overall plot and really just sapped my desire to see the resolution. I have tried to muster up resolve to see it through but, I just can't anymore.

If the show continues and I hear good things about future episodes, I'll maybe give it another shot but as of right now.......there's legend of korra I could be watching.

To each his own, so if you are enjoying this series, by all means disregard everything I just said and keep on keeping on.
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:57 AM   #240
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Series could be better. The first few eps had a sort of epic feel to it. Now I feel like we're down to 'what is the problem of the week that we'll solve and probably NEVER mention again' syndrome
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:00 AM   #241
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I thought this was flirty, but I didn't catch the joke....well my head didnt go there until I got here Kids are totally not getting this.
Kids pick up more stuff today. There is more access to this.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:06 AM   #242
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Weak probably wasn't the best way for me to put it, more like "restrained". The Sword doesn't seem to be quite as impressive as in the OS.
Yes, but that reflects the skill of the wielder more than the power of the sword itself. Leo was able to do awesome things with it and even Claudus was able to get it to do things Lion-O can't yet (the whole single stroke thing), but so far only Lion-O is confirmed to be able to use Sight Beyond Sight. Lion-O has made great progress, but he still isn't quite the King spoken of in the prophecy heard in the pilot.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:20 AM   #243
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Yes, but that reflects the skill of the wielder more than the power of the sword itself. Leo was able to do awesome things with it and even Claudus was able to get it to do things Lion-O can't yet (the whole single stroke thing), but so far only Lion-O is confirmed to be able to use Sight Beyond Sight. Lion-O has made great progress, but he still isn't quite the King spoken of in the prophecy heard in the pilot.
I am surprised that you haven't change your avatar to pumyra?
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:33 AM   #244
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Dan implied that Tygra and Cheetara have stolen moments together over the years, but that they just haven't shown it on the show yet. He said we've seen less than half of the story and some things just set things up for the future.
also he wasn't specific on the misdirection. heck, he could be tossing false bones in the posts, JKR did the exact same thing through interviews through the HP saga. He never said who would be with who, just that things will be explained as they go. and regardless, old saying on interviews and shows, "trust episodes, not interviews".
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:37 AM   #245
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I am surprised that you haven't change your avatar to pumyra?
Happy now?
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:38 AM   #246
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Happy now?
Gotdammit, beat me to it.
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Old 05-09-2012, 08:42 AM   #247
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Happy now?
What??

I thought you were going to use the one right after that scene. Where she talks about mercy.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:09 AM   #248
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Gotdammit, beat me to it.
Wise man say: Patience is a virtue, but she who is late does not get a pudding cup.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:16 AM   #249
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Weak probably wasn't the best way for me to put it, more like "restrained". The Sword doesn't seem to be quite as impressive as in the OS.
The Sword of Omens is weak sauce in this series compared to the original. In the OS the sword is epic yet here it plays second fiddle to the spirit stone and frankly I am growing tired of it (granted I was never keen on the stones storyline to begin with).

I miss "sword come to my hand" as well and all the other things that made the SoO so great. Little touches like the sword going into short sword mode after being knocked out of Lion-o's hand go a long way. Its as if the sword were some what "alive" in the OS. Here it feels like it is just a weapon. A cool weapon, but nothing compared to the original. There is nothing "mystical" about it or anything. We barely even get to see "Sight Beyond Sight".

And when was the last time we saw Panthro wield his Nun Chucks? Why does he even carry them anymore?

I know some of the guys involved in the NS are supposed to be hardcore Tcats fans but sometimes it doesn't seem like it as they leave out all the things that made Thundercats stand out.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:12 AM   #250
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Wise man say: Patience is a virtue, but she who is late does not get a pudding cup.
Wise man say: Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.
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