Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

So you are fine with the same predictable bad guy cast?

I like the idea, because it is different. I never thougth T/L would be brothers.

I am sure we will see the other bad guys though.

Lynx-anna might be brought in the be a villain cat along side with "tygra"

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I was hoping Bengali and Pumyra were bad guys to start off. Lynxo didn't start with them, so maybe they will have different roles.

It would be so obvious if they were the alliance for the TC. I think it would be better if they were mummra's new alliance, that would be a surprising debut.

Another twist in the tale, which is their MO. Liked that idea.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Another twist in the tale, which is their MO. Liked that idea.

Thanks.

If they are the alliance for the cats, it would be the same old same. They said pumyra would enter soon. That would be a shocker if she is an enemy.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks.

If they are the alliance for the cats, it would be the same old same. They said pumyra would enter soon. That would be a shocker if she is an enemy.

It is a idea.

And inline with what Jelenic said on their take for Pumyra is different than the OS one.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

It is a idea.

And inline with what Jelenic said on their take for Pumyra is different than the OS one.

True and we get our first real cat fight. I think she will take cheetara down.

I think Bengali will probably take down L/T.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

True and we get our first real cat fight. I think she will take cheetara down.

I think Bengali will probably take down L/T.

Lion-o can start to fall for Pumyra, and start to ignore Cheetara the tease.

[Ravenxl7]

Personally I hope they don't make any more of the cats a part of Mumm-Ra's following. I wouldn't want to see them be exactly as they were in the original, but making them evil would be going too far, imho. Maybe make them reluctant to help out Lion-O and crew.

I also really want to see all the old villains return in some form or another. They can make them new and interesting without needing to change their alliance. We already know Jackalman is on his way (though under a new name), and I think Vultureman has been mentioned. Would be cool to see Slithe, Jackalman, and Monkian bickering with each other in the new show at some point.

[DarkKnight]

anoyone see this before

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Lion-o can start to fall for Pumyra, and start to ignore Cheetara the tease.

take it easy.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

anoyone see this before

What episode is that from?

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

What episode is that from?

Given the background, I would guess that it's from episode 6 "Journey to the Tower of Omens".

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

Personally I hope they don't make any more of the cats a part of Mumm-Ra's following. I wouldn't want to see them be exactly as they were in the original, but making them evil would be going too far, imho. Maybe make them reluctant to help out Lion-O and crew.

I also really want to see all the old villains return in some form or another. They can make them new and interesting without needing to change their alliance. We already know Jackalman is on his way (though under a new name), and I think Vultureman has been mentioned. Would be cool to see Slithe, Jackalman, and Monkian bickering with each other in the new show at some point.

Ho-hum, same old same.

Why would it go to far?

Sticking to the same routine would be the OS, with new design.

We have 39 episode where they could start off bad and then become good in the end.

All the cats served mummra, wouldn't that be going to far?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Lion-o can start to fall for Pumyra, and start to ignore Cheetara the tease.

Already?

You would have a backlash with the B/P fans.

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Ho-hum, same old same.

Why would it go to far?

Sticking to the same routine would be the OS, with new design.

We have 39 episode where they could start off bad and then become good in the end.

All the cats served mummra, wouldn't that be going to far?

I"m not saying don't change anything, just that I don't see the need to make them evil. There's plenty of ways to make the characters different from the original show without changing everything about them.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

I"m not saying don't change anything, just that I don't see the need to make them evil. There's plenty of ways to make the characters different from the original show without changing everything about them.

You didn't read my part where they started off bad and then become good.

Everyone expects B/P are going to be good guys, I think it would be great if they started off bad.

I don't believe all the cats sided with Leo. He betrayed them, even though he freed them. He chose the animals over the cats. I believe some of those cats are still out there. B/P could be apart of that group.

[Ravenxl7]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You didn't read my part where they started off bad and then become good.

I did, just didn't feel the need to reply to it.

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Everyone expects B/P are going to be good guys, I think it would be great if they started off bad.

I don't think they should start out "good", or "bad" for that matter. I think they should start out neutral, wanting to keep to themselves, and then something later on forces them to get involved.

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't believe all the cats sided with Leo. He betrayed them, even though he freed them. He chose the animals over the cats. I believe some of those cats are still out there. B/P could be apart of that group.

As far as I see it, he didn't betray the other cats, he freed them too. While Mumm-Ra was treating them much better than the other animals, I can't imagine serving him came with that many perks. They were still trapped under his tyranny. I think the split, if it at all happened, would have been sometime after the fall of Mumm-Ra, for some other reason. Either way, it's been long enough that I doubt the other group/tribe (assuming there actually is another) has most likely long forgotten about it all by now (it's clear the one's that eventually inhabited Thundera had long forgotten about the past).

Please, let's just agree to disagree. Neither one of us is going to change our opinions, and all this is theoretical till the show continues anyways. No point in continuing to argue over it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

I did, just didn't feel the need to reply to it.


I don't think they should start out "good", or "bad" for that matter. I think they should start out neutral, wanting to keep to themselves, and then something later on forces them to get involved.


As far as I see it, he didn't betray the other cats, he freed them too. While Mumm-Ra was treating them much better than the other animals, I can't imagine serving him came with that many perks. They were still trapped under his tyranny. I think the split, if it at all happened, would have been sometime after the fall of Mumm-Ra, for some other reason. Either way, it's been long enough that I doubt the other group/tribe (assuming there actually is another) has most likely long forgotten about it all by now (it's clear the one's that eventually inhabited Thundera had long forgotten about the past).

Please, let's just agree to disagree. Neither one of us is going to change our opinions, and all this is theoretical till the show continues anyways. No point in continuing to argue over it.

Ok.

I do disagree with your comment about other tribes, cheetara proved that. Something destroyed her village.

[Ravenxl7]

Edit: Forget it...

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

Edit: Forget it...

I will end it here with you on this topic.

In E12 she said she had no clan and nobody. Where do you think she came from and why doesn't she have anyone anymore?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

I did, just didn't feel the need to reply to it.


I don't think they should start out "good", or "bad" for that matter. I think they should start out neutral, wanting to keep to themselves, and then something later on forces them to get involved.


As far as I see it, he didn't betray the other cats, he freed them too. While Mumm-Ra was treating them much better than the other animals, I can't imagine serving him came with that many perks. They were still trapped under his tyranny. I think the split, if it at all happened, would have been sometime after the fall of Mumm-Ra, for some other reason. Either way, it's been long enough that I doubt the other group/tribe (assuming there actually is another) has most likely long forgotten about it all by now (it's clear the one's that eventually inhabited Thundera had long forgotten about the past).

Please, let's just agree to disagree. Neither one of us is going to change our opinions, and all this is theoretical till the show continues anyways. No point in continuing to argue over it.

What villian do you want to see first for the new alliance?

[stormbringer]

[QUOTE=L08e16o;33615]What villian do you want to see first for the new alliance?[/Q

The Lunatacs would be cool.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Ok.

I do disagree with your comment about other tribes, cheetara proved that. Something destroyed her village.

No one ever said Cheetara came from a different village. She was from Thundera just like the rest of them. What she said was she had no Clan. No family. In other words she was an orphan.
Thundera was walled off and secluded. It didn't have little villages of cats surrounding it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

No one ever said Cheetara came from a different village. She was from Thundera just like the rest of them. What she said was she had no Clan. No family. In other words she was an orphan.
Thundera was walled off and secluded. It didn't have little villages of cats surrounding it.

If she was from thundera, why didn't she know where the clerics live?

Everyone would talk about the palace and the clerics.

I am not from DC, but I know where the White House is.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Already?

You would have a backlash with the B/P fans.

I think Lion- o/ Pumyra could have a flirtation, and Cheetara could maybe start to get jealous. If the writers are going to drag out this triangle throughout the series, something is going to have to extend it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What villian do you want to see first for the new alliance?[/Q

The Lunatacs would be cool.

Agreed.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I think Lion- o/ Pumyra could have a flirtation, and Cheetara could maybe start to get jealous. If the writers are going to drag out this triangle throughout the series, something is going to have to extend it.

I agree.

How will they handle the Bengali/pumyra fans?

I hope the triangle is at least over by 26.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree.

How will they handle the Bengali/pumyra fans?

I hope the triangle is at least over by 26.

Bengali and Pumyra could always get together shortly after Lion-o and Pumyra realize their not each others real love. And I hope the triangle is wrapped up by ep 26 too, something like that can get old pretty quick.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If she was from thundera, why didn't she know where the clerics live?

Everyone would talk about the palace and the clerics.

I am not from DC, but I know where the White House is.

You know where the White House is. She knew where the Palace was.

Do you know where exactly oval office is? Do you know where the secret service stays?

Just because she lives in the city doesn't mean she's ever been to the palace. And it definitely doesn't mean she's ever been on the grounds to know where everything is.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree.

How will they handle the Bengali/pumyra fans?

I hope the triangle is at least over by 26.

Why would they have to "handle" Bengali/Pumyra fans?

They don't have to please every single fan. If they tried they would fail.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Bengali and Pumyra could always get together shortly after Lion-o and Pumyra realize their not each others real love. And I hope the triangle is wrapped up by ep 26 too, something like that can get old pretty quick.

Agreed.

B/P has always had a big following since the OS.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

You know where the White House is. She knew where the Palace was.

Do you know where exactly oval office is? Do you know where the secret service stays?

Just because she lives in the city doesn't mean she's ever been to the palace. And it definitely doesn't mean she's ever been on the grounds to know where everything is.

I might actually know that.

Is the oval office outside like the cleric building?

This has been her dream since she was a cub and she doesn't know where the clerics are.

I been a Steelers fans since 5 and I know almost everything about them.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Why would they have to "handle" Bengali/Pumyra fans?

They don't have to please every single fan. If they tried they would fail.

Let see, ratings are more important anything.

If there was going to be any romacne in this show, I would've guessed B/P would be it.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I might actually know that.

Is the oval office outside like the cleric building?

This has been her dream since she was a cub and she doesn't know where the clerics are.

I been a Steelers fans since 5 and I know almost everything about them.

She's still a kid at that point. And an orphan.
They don't have internet or technology. She'd only know what she had been told about the palace by whoever was taking care of her (if anyone else WAS taking care of her). They don't let just anyone on the grounds. That's why Tygra was guarding the entryway in the first place. Only people with the "proper seals" were allowed past. She just ran past him.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Let see, ratings are more important anything.

If there was going to be any romacne in this show, I would've guessed B/P would be it.

I'm sure the ratings don't depend solely on the approval of fans of B/P.

The target audience is 6-11 year olds. Don't forget that. and most of the kids watching will not have seen the OS. They won't know the characters.

How are they "handling" L/C fans right now after the ending of episode 13?

Of course ratings are important. But for that to even be a credible argument you'd have to assume that B/P fans are the majority of the audience and that they'd all quit the show if it didn't happen. Which I'd be more than willing to bet isn't the case.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

She's still a kid at that point. And an orphan.
They don't have internet or technology. She'd only know what she had been told about the palace by whoever was taking care of her (if anyone else WAS taking care of her). They don't let just anyone on the grounds. That's why Tygra was guarding the entryway in the first place. Only people with the "proper seals" were allowed past. She just ran past him.

Internet has nothing to do with me knowing where the oval office is. My home office is at crystal city in DC. We know where the building are and some of the offices.

Clerics are legends, everyone would talk about them. Eveyone would know where the palace and clerics temple would be.

I agree that only the proper seals could pass, he did say that. That is one thing, but knowing where the clerics are, is another.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I'm sure the ratings don't depend solely on the approval of fans of B/P.

The target audience is 6-11 year olds. Don't forget that. and most of the kids watching will not have seen the OS. They won't know the characters.

How are they "handling" L/C fans right now after the ending of episode 13?

Of course ratings are important. But for that to even be a credible argument you'd have to assume that B/P fans are the majority of the audience and that they'd all quit the show if it didn't happen. Which I'd be more than willing to bet isn't the case.

All we know about the L/C/T is a triangle, those three is what the WB boss said.

B/P are all together different. They have no time to develop L/P, they could already have B/P knowing each other like in the OS.

Your right, but they did say thunderdads would be happy too.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Internet has nothing to do with me knowing where the oval office is. My home office is at crystal city in DC. We know where the building are and some of the offices.

Clerics are legends, everyone would talk about them. Eveyone would know where the palace and clerics temple would be.

I agree that proper seals could pass, he did say that. That is one thing, but knowing where the clerics are, is another.

Could you, living in DC, go to the white house and go exactly where you want without needing any directions?

Also you don't know what everyone in Thundera talks about. I, for one, didn't hear anyone in the crowds talk about the clerics, so saying everyone talks about them is an assumption.

The internet and technology part was more for the Steelers than White house. If there was no technology, there'd be no TV, no radio, no computers. You'd have probably have never even heard of the Steelers much less know everything about them because without all the media the whole football league would be scaled down because they wouldn't have the same amount of people watching.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

All we know about the L/C/T is a triangle, those three is what the WB boss said.

B/P are all together different. They have no time to develop L/P, they could already have B/P knowing each other like in the OS.

Your right, but they did say thunderdads would be happy too.

btw I'm not saying Lion-O has to end up with Pumyra either. My argument is that Bengali and Pumyra don't have to be a couple.

But if L/P did happen, they have plenty of time. The whole L/C thing you love happened in 13 episodes. There's still at least 3 times that many episodes left.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Could you, living in DC, go to the white house and go exactly where you want without needing any directions?

Also you don't know what everyone in Thundera talks about. I, for one, didn't hear anyone in the talk about the clerics, so saying everyone talks about them is an assumption.

The internet and technology part was more for the Steelers than White house. If there was no technology, there'd be no TV, no radio, no computers. You'd have probably have never even heard of the Steelers much less know everything about them because without all the media the whole football league would be scaled down because they wouldn't have the same amount of people watching.

First of all, we are talking about a buiding, not inside.

So no one talks about the cleric or no one talks about the Seals or any speical forces in America?

See that is where your assumption is off. Word of mouth. My mother worked with a guy whoes son worked at 3 rivers stadium. That is what started it for me.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

btw I'm not saying Lion-O has to end up with Pumyra either. My argument is that Bengali and Pumyra don't have to be a couple.

But if L/P did happen, they have plenty of time. The whole L/C thing you love happened in 13 episodes. There's still at least 3 times that many episodes left.

Pumyra is not a main character and she will not have the screen time. For them to develop it in 13 episodes, it would cut into the main story and other stories that can me explored. They could do T/P too.

13 episodes that was actually apart of the story.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

First of all, we are talking about a buiding, not inside.

The palace didn't have any outside buildings. Everything was connected. It just had separate entrances. Like a mall or an apartment building.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

The palace didn't have any outside buildings. Everything was connected. It just had separate entrances. Like a mall or an apartment building.

The point is, it had a outside entrance. It was not inside, I just watched it again. It has the cleric Statues in front of it. That would be a dead give away.

One more thing about her being a orphan, why didn't she have a tail like kit and kat?

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

See that is where your assumption is off. Word of mouth. My mother worked with a guy whoes son worked at 3 rivers stadium. That is what started it for me.

word of mouth has a way of being incorrectly passed on or exaggerated.
And even if they do talk about the Clerics, do you really think they spend their time talking about where they live instead of the interesting things they can do or have done? I mean exactly, precisely where at the palace they live? instead of just saying "Oh the clerics live at the palace"

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

word of mouth has a way of being incorrectly passed on or exaggerated.
And even if they do talk about the Clerics, do you really think they spend their time talking about where they live instead of the interesting things they can do or have done? I mean exactly, precisely where at the palace they live? instead of just saying "Oh the clerics live at the palace"

I do word of mouth can be like that, but the clerics are special. The Steelers had won 4 super bowls, there was nothing to be exaggerated about that.

I do believe they would have talked about where they live. Just like castle, churches, or temples.

You might talk about their deeds, but you are going to talk about where they live.

Just like the White House. It is almost as famous as the Presidents that live there.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The point is, it had a outside entrance. It was not inside, I just watched it again. It has the cleric Statues in front of it. That would be a dead give away.

One more thing about her being a orphan, why didn't she have a tail like kit and kat?

I just watched it again too. From where they were standing the "foot" of the giant cat was blocking the view of the statues until they walked up to it.


Just because she's an orphan doesn't mean she has to have a tail. The tails were explained as a birth defect.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I just watched it again too. From where they were standing the "foot" of the giant cat was blocking the view of the statues until they walked up to it.


Just because she's an orphan doesn't mean she has to have a tail. The tails were explained as a birth defect.

From their view. You are telling me no one ever passed it and never mention where it is.

On North Island, everyone knows that is where the Seals training is. Everyone in SD knows this.

Thanks on the tail.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

From their view. You are telling me no one ever passed it and never mention where it is.

I'm saying it's perfectly possible that in a huge place like Thundera someone who was an orphan might not've been taught exactly where the clerics stayed at the palace.

Heck anyone she actually asked could've looked down at her for being an orphan and told her she'd never become a cleric and refuse to tell her where it is. The people in the Thunderian slums didn't seem like the nicest bunch of people.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I'm saying it's perfectly possible that in a huge place like Thundera someone who was an orphan might not've been taught exactly where the clerics stayed at the palace.

Heck anyone she actually asked could've looked down at her for being an orphan and told her she'd never become a cleric and refuse to tell her where it is. The people in the Thunderian slums didn't seem like the nicest bunch of people.

We are not going to agree.

I believe if that is someones dreams, they will try to find out everything they can about it. The clerics have been around for a long time and they are legends. People would know where they are, but that doesn't mean they could become a cleric. Jaga had no problem bringing her in. I don't think the clerics looked at people if they were noble or not. They said they will only take the best. Is it open to everyone? Jaga gave cheetara a chance. I am sure people who failed told other people about it.

Just like the Seals, everyone knows them and where they are at, but doesn't mean they will take them in or should I say pass.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I'm saying it's perfectly possible that in a huge place like Thundera someone who was an orphan might not've been taught exactly where the clerics stayed at the palace.

Heck anyone she actually asked could've looked down at her for being an orphan and told her she'd never become a cleric and refuse to tell her where it is. The people in the Thunderian slums didn't seem like the nicest bunch of people.

Another topic.

Do you think they will bring all the animals in at once for mummra (Monkian, Jackalman, and Vultureman) for his alliance?

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another topic.

Do you think they will bring all the animals in at once for mummra (Monkian, Jackalman, and Vultureman) for his alliance?

Not really. They seem to like to space out OS characters as opposed to bringing them all in at once. The only ones I think they'd bring in all at once is either the Berserkers or the Lunataks.