Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah by doing that "seduction" thing with Lion-O and then go for another cat, especially that other cat is his own brother, that she knows the "Big feud" they have with each other, will definetly make her a villain, So that can't be true.

I think it is an illusion.

I think cheetar would be very cautious of not hurting lion-o. Without lion-o it is game over. She knew the prediction Annet gave her. She didn't know what happen in the AP as we know.

To me, if she wanted tygra, she would have kissed him after she said make her feelings more clear. She wouldn't have to kiss him for the thank you for the flower.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Well if investment in the show each episode gets us more out of it, then there's no way their going with T/C, that was completely out of the blue.

We are all seeing it only as the small picture not the bigger picture. Thus her recent voice actress interview. What the Producer said will always be the bigger picture.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

and since we're quoting Emmanuelle Chiqui interviews:

"I think Lion-O has a little crush on Cheetara. He gets a little devastated later."

MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it

He ask her about that and she said oh yeah, then she changed her tune that he gets devastated later.

Sounds like she didn't want to say to much.

She said they are evolving. She only talked about lion-o. Great story lines do not end at E13.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

He ask her about that and she said oh yeah, then she changed her tune that he gets devastated later.

Sounds like she didn't want to say to much.

She's only saying what's happening now or in Season1 not beyond. What Jelenic and a whole lot of other things they have said are always the bigger picture like you said.

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

She's only saying what's happening now or in Season1 not beyond. What Jelenic and a whole lot of other things they have said are always the bigger picture like you said.

Yeah there would have to be a bigger picture, none of it makes sense otherwise.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think it is an illusion.

I think cheetar would be very cautious of not hurting lion-o. Without lion-o it is game over. She knew the prediction Annet gave her. She didn't know what happen in the AP as we know.

To me, if she wanted tygra, she would have kissed him after she said make her feelings more clear. She wouldn't have to kiss him for the thank you for the flower.

Yeah either it's an illusions and/or other stuff that we have discussed and the theories and analysis

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

i do see Balgus82 point and it highly likely that cheetara has made a final choice on who she wants to be with. the other theories mentioned earlier does have the potential to happen but that's something we have to wait for next season. like i mentioned earlier, i prefer not having any romance in any action/adventure series because it distracts us from the main plot of the story. but in this series i kind of liked where they were taking the whole liono/cheetara thing until they pulled the 180. i just hope that the writers now focus more on the main story arc and to hopefully avoid unnecessary romance plots.

She hasn't made her final choice. This is E13 of E52.

She was to vauge in her dialogue.

She could have said "tygra, I should have made my feelings more cleared to you", and then kiss him.

You notice in that dialogue, she never said you when she was talking about who she chose.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yeah there would have to be a bigger picture, none of it makes sense otherwise.

There will be too much uncountable conflicts with the interviews, data, facts if thing go T/C, and it ain't good to lie to a lot of fans especially most of the OS Thunderdads

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

If this Cheetara/Lion-O/SoO connetions theories/theory will come true, then maybe the crew had this idea before by seeing that picture you have.

My thing is, why did her eyes glow. When she uses full power, does she draw from the SoO?

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

My thing is, why did her eyes glow. When she uses full power, does she draw from the SoO?

Could be. That's why I think Illusions theory happening or no the Cheeatara SoO Chip theory has high probabilty will come true, because that will make cheetara a better character of choosing the brothers not based on feelings alone. As clearly joining the clerics was always her main goal in life, like what we saw in Ep12 flashback. Feelings for both brothers will be just one of the factors needed so Jaga can choose her as the SoO wielder chooser and SoO Guardian as the Cheetara SoO Connection Chip theory said.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

But what if batman visits thundera, teaches Tygra a lesson, then Cheetara attracted to Bats too, as bats is a "Babe Magnet" uh-oh the "competition" will just get bigger Lion-O/Cheetara/SoO/Tygra/Batman

It would be a rush job in 5 minutes to establish the B/C relationship.

I think Batman came by and gave her a senzu bean, ops that is dragon ball. See how dumb it sounds if it was T/C over a flower.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It would be a rush job in 5 minutes to establish the B/C relationship.

I think Batman came by and gave her a senzu bean, ops that is dragon ball. See how dumb it sounds if it was T/C over a flower.

Agreed

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

My thing is, why did her eyes glow. When she uses full power, does she draw from the SoO?

Some theories are that its because she believes in Lion-o more than anyone else.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Could be. That's why I think Illusions theory happening or no the Cheeatara SoO Chip theory has high probabilty will come true, because that will make cheetara a better character of choosing the brothers not based on feelings alone. As clearly joining the clerics was always her main goal in life, like what we saw in Ep12 flashback.

Only reason I think illusion.

She said everything that was on his heart, it was like she was reading his mind.

Think about it this way too, they showed the power in AP. To me that was a sign of something more. They were letting us know he has that power.

Annet said lion-o would feel betrayed by his brother, not cheetara.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Some theories are that its because she believes in Lion-o more than anyone else.

Wouldn't the other cats eyes glow for the king in E2?

DarkKnight · 12-31-2011, 07:48 PM

happy new years eve

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Wouldn't the other cats eyes glow for the king in E2?

Nope only Cheetara in Ep6, when clearly Ep6 was about her helping Lion-O personally with the SoO.

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Wouldn't the other cats eyes glow for the king in E2?

I think the theory is, that the others aren't as confident in Lion-o as Cheetara, so that's why only her eyes glowed.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:48 PM

happy new years eve everyone

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

happy new years eve

Happy new years eve to you too.

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

happy new years eve everyone

And too you as well.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Only reason I think illusion.

She said everything that was on his heart, it was like she was reading his mind.

Think about it this way too, they showed the power in AP. To me that was a sign of something more. They were letting us know he has that power.

Annet said lion-o would feel betrayed by his brother, not cheetara.

Yeah, I think the truth is she has feelings for both brothers but more for Lion-0 as he has kindness a lot more that Tygra. So in the Cheetara SoO Chip theory, Jaga has forseen this and made her the SoO guardian as this deep connection is needed with the choosen wielder. MAybe the spell of connection between Cheetara and the SoO given by Jaga alllows Cheetara to "see" the "heart" of both brothers, and thus she chose Lion-O the second time until now, should that dreaded ending was real.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Nope only Cheetara in Ep6, when clearly Ep6 was about her helping Lion-O personally with the SoO.

See, I think that is important. He said invest in each episode.

They give us little things to see the bigger picture, we just don't have all the clues.

I think tygra would give up cheetara, but not lion-o.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:54 PM

Happy news years to all of you.

I am like I didn't stay in Manhattan tonight.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

See, I think that is important. He said invest in each episode.

They give us little things to see the bigger picture, we just don't have all the clues.

I think tygra would give up cheetara, but not lion-o.

Provided IF she is with Tygra, as everything is vague.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I think the theory is, that the others aren't as confident in Lion-o as Cheetara, so that's why only her eyes glowed.

Thanks.

I think if that was true, then all the cats eyes would have glowed for their king in E2.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, I think the truth is she has feelings for both brothers but more for Lion-0 as he has kindness a lot more that Tygra. So in the Cheetara SoO Chip theory, Jaga has forseen this and made her the SoO guardian as this deep connection is needed with the choosen wielder. MAybe the spell of connection between Cheetara and the SoO given by Jaga alllows Cheetara to "see" the "heart" of both brothers, and thus she chose Lion-O the second time until now, should that dreaded ending was real.

I wonder if that spell is connected to her.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Provided IF she is with Tygra, as everything is vague.

If that is the real cheetara (writer should never work again), I think she is clearing up the flower thing in the past so they all can move forward.

If that is the real cheetara, I believe Annet would have said cheetara. She betrayed his feelings, but tygra.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:01 PM

All I know is long relationships take time to build, not rushed.

AdamofEternia · 12-31-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

and since we're quoting Emmanuelle Chiqui interviews:

"I think Lion-O has a little crush on Cheetara. He gets a little devastated later."

MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it

judging from this interview, i would say that the tygra/cheetara pairing is probably set in stone. honestly it was bad writing but nothing can be done about it but moving on. i just wish they would focus more on the main plot of the story and IMHO, no more character development. i think the writers have proved that character development isn't their strong point. so i would rather just have action rather than be insulted with terrible character development.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I wonder if that spell is connected to her.

If you think about it, it's highly unlikely they will only make the "reason" of her following him around that simple, Jelenic said a defenitive answer to it. So the answer must be something like the Cheetara SoO Conetion theories, They have been using the words choosing for a couple of episodes for both SoO and Cheetara and the brothers, that's one of the key I thnk. this choosing this is not as simple as it seems, there's a plot behind it that ties in with the triangle, otherwise the writers will not make annet tie the triangle and the plot with his propehices,

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

judging from this interview, i would say that the tygra/cheetara pairing is probably set in stone. honestly it was bad writing but nothing can be done about it but moving on. i just wish they would focus more on the main plot of the story and IMHO, no more character development. i think the writers have proved that character development isn't their strong point. so i would rather just have action rather than be insulted with terrible character development.

you are only judging it based on one interview, there are so many other factors + data + facts and other interviews don't forget mainly the producers, the bigger picture. In that one she's just saying what's happening now. in season 1 not beyond.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

judging from this interview, i would say that the tygra/cheetara pairing is probably set in stone. honestly it was bad writing but nothing can be done about it but moving on. i just wish they would focus more on the main plot of the story and IMHO, no more character development. i think the writers have proved that character development isn't their strong point. so i would rather just have action rather than be insulted with terrible character development.

I don't think it was set in stone. I don't think anything is set in stone right now.

stormbringer · 12-31-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

judging from this interview, i would say that the tygra/cheetara pairing is probably set in stone. honestly it was bad writing but nothing can be done about it but moving on. i just wish they would focus more on the main plot of the story and IMHO, no more character development. i think the writers have proved that character development isn't their strong point. so i would rather just have action rather than be insulted with terrible character development.

If the T/C pairing were set in stone, the show would probably face a ratings collapse, and probably end long before originally planned. But I still think if they truly wanted T/C, they would have put more effort into making it plausible.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't think it was set in stone. I don't think anything is set in stone right now.

That's just one interview, there are other so many quotes already, form the producers mainly.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

If the T/C pairing were set in stone, the show would probably face a ratings collapse, and probably end long before originally planned. But I still think if they truly wanted T/C, they would have put more effort into making it plausible.

You are 100% correct.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

judging from this interview, i would say that the tygra/cheetara pairing is probably set in stone. honestly it was bad writing but nothing can be done about it but moving on. i just wish they would focus more on the main plot of the story and IMHO, no more character development. i think the writers have proved that character development isn't their strong point. so i would rather just have action rather than be insulted with terrible character development.

See this interview to get the bigger picture of the triangle as a whole compared to that tiny thing:

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That's just one interview, there are other so many quotes already, form the producers mainly.

You're right.

She did tell the truth, he did get devastated.

She answer for only lion-o, not cheetara.

Another thing, he said will they have cat on cat thing. She laughed. I thought it was bold for him to say that.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You're right.

She did tell the truth, he did get devastated.

She answer for only lion-o, not cheetara.

That's what I am saying, I already knew about that interview, but it did not say anything other then what's happening in season1.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another thing, he said will they have cat on cat thing. She laughed. I thought it was bold for him to say that.

They will have "Lion-O on Cheetara" thing

Balgus82 · 12-31-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

She hasn't made her final choice. This is E13 of E52.

She was to vauge in her dialogue.

She could have said "tygra, I should have made my feelings more cleared to you", and then kiss him.

You notice in that dialogue, she never said you when she was talking about who she chose.

she said she didn't make her feelings clear. and Both brothers thought she liked Lion-O. if she wasn't clear that means they misinterpreted her. meaning she liked Tygra.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

right she said she didn't make her feelings clear. Both brothers thought she liked Lion-O. if she wasn't clear that means they misinterpreted her actions. meaning she liked Tygra.

You didn't read what I said.

If she woud have liked tygra, then by her hurting him, she woud have kissed him there. Why beat around the bush, she would have been clear with her feelings.

She kissed him to thank him.

That is why I think the ending was to vague.

Balgus82 · 12-31-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You didn't read what I said.

If she woud have liked tygra, then by her hurting him, she woud have kissed him there. Why beat around the bush, she would have been clear with her feelings.

She kissed him to thank him.

That is why I think the ending was to vague.

she said she was unclear, then explained why she liked tygra to clear it up, and then kissed him.

I don't know how much more obvious they could get.

you don't just go up to people and kiss them without saying anything first.

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

she said she was unclear, then explained why she liked tygra to clear it up, and then kissed him.

I don't know how much more obvious they could get.

you don't just go up to people and kiss them without saying anything first.

No she didn't.

She didn't say I chose you tygra.

She said I didn't thank you and they kissed.

She wouldn't have kissed him first. She said I heard what happen in the AP and I feel I am at fault. I should make my feelings more clear. Kissing him there, that lets tygra know she chose him. Not going into a story about the flower and say I owe you a thank you.

IMO, if she chose tygra, they would have kiss to let him know her feelings. Then she would have gone into the story of the flower. IMO, she kissed him to thank him what he did a long time ago.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

No she didn't.

She didn't say I chose you tygra.

She said I didn't thank you and they kissed.

She wouldn't have kissed him first. She said I heard what happen in the AP and I feel I am at fault. I should make my feelings more clear. Kissing him there, that lets tygra know she chose him. Not going into a story about the flower and say I owe you a thank you.

It does not matter anyway whether or not she has chosen, because she will not hurt either brother's feelings as with the highest good thing,interviews and other facts. If she has chosen brother A than knows she is hurting brother b and vice versa then she will not really choose either brothers (open or close triangle), thus the SoO chip theory, another factor to help her choose.

DarkKnight · 12-31-2011, 08:57 PM

whos getting boozed

I know I am

L08e16o · 12-31-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

It does not matter anyway whether or not she has chosen, because she will not hurt either brother's feelings as with the highest good thing,interviews and other facts. If she has chosen brother A than knows she is hurting brother b and vice versa then she will not really choose either brothers, thus the SoO chip theory.

To me the dialogue means a lot for clues on the next 3 episodes. They either did that on purpose or it was terrible writing. Everything points to doing this on purpose.

I am telling you, lion-o will not be able to use the SoO.

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

whos getting boozed

I know I am

Not really in this current analysis mode

cmangund · 12-31-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

To mean the dialogue means a lot for clues on the next 3 episodes. They either did that on purpose or it was terrible writing. Everything points to doing this on purpose.

I am telling you, lion-o will not be able to use the SoO.

Yes Thus the Chetara SoO Connections Theory. I agree. She will choose the one's Worthy of having the SoO (Of course more feelings to Lion-O).

DarkKnight · 12-31-2011, 09:04 PM

it can go like this. tygra's pissed because he's lost to lion-o. he goes and tries to kill lion-o again. cheetara tries to protect lion-o but fails in the process. lion-os scared when all of a sudden dark knight theme starts playing and batman shows up. along with chuck fucking NORRIS and po the dragon warrior!!! they beat the shit out of tygra,mumm-ra,grune,slythe,the entire lizard army,solomon grundy,killer croc,clayface,and finish them off with the triple chao wao sonic punch kick. everybodys impressed and lion-o asks how they got so powerful. the three turn to the camera and say 'we always drink milk'. others reload we refuel.

Lo8e160 read this.

12-31-2011, 07:17 PM	#1951
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by cmangund Yeah by doing that "seduction" thing with Lion-O and then go for another cat, especially that other cat is his own brother, that she knows the "Big feud" they have with each other, will definetly make her a villain, So that can't be true. I think it is an illusion. I think cheetar would be very cautious of not hurting lion-o. Without lion-o it is game over. She knew the prediction Annet gave her. She didn't know what happen in the AP as we know. To me, if she wanted tygra, she would have kissed him after she said make her feelings more clear. She wouldn't have to kiss him for the thank you for the flower. Last edited by L08e16o; 12-31-2011 at 07:23 PM..

12-31-2011, 07:22 PM	#1953
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Balgus82 and since we're quoting Emmanuelle Chiqui interviews: "I think Lion-O has a little crush on Cheetara. He gets a little devastated later." MEGAVIDEO - I'm watching it He ask her about that and she said oh yeah, then she changed her tune that he gets devastated later. Sounds like she didn't want to say to much. She said they are evolving. She only talked about lion-o. Great story lines do not end at E13. Last edited by L08e16o; 12-31-2011 at 07:24 PM..

12-31-2011, 07:24 PM	#1954
cmangund Hardcore Lion-O + L/C Fan Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the timeline where L/C already happened Posts: 1,924	Quote: Originally Posted by L08e16o He ask her about that and she said oh yeah, then she changed her tune that he gets devastated later. Sounds like she didn't want to say to much. She's only saying what's happening now or in Season1 not beyond. What Jelenic and a whole lot of other things they have said are always the bigger picture like you said. Last edited by cmangund; 12-31-2011 at 07:30 PM..

12-31-2011, 08:02 PM	#1981
cmangund Hardcore Lion-O + L/C Fan Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the timeline where L/C already happened Posts: 1,924	Quote: Originally Posted by L08e16o I wonder if that spell is connected to her. If you think about it, it's highly unlikely they will only make the "reason" of her following him around that simple, Jelenic said a defenitive answer to it. So the answer must be something like the Cheetara SoO Conetion theories, They have been using the words choosing for a couple of episodes for both SoO and Cheetara and the brothers, that's one of the key I thnk. this choosing this is not as simple as it seems, there's a plot behind it that ties in with the triangle, otherwise the writers will not make annet tie the triangle and the plot with his propehices, Last edited by cmangund; 12-31-2011 at 08:05 PM..

12-31-2011, 08:17 PM	#1988
L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by cmangund That's just one interview, there are other so many quotes already, form the producers mainly. You're right. She did tell the truth, he did get devastated. She answer for only lion-o, not cheetara. Another thing, he said will they have cat on cat thing. She laughed. I thought it was bold for him to say that. Last edited by L08e16o; 12-31-2011 at 08:21 PM..