Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

judging from liono's character, he will probably not say anything. he is the kind of guy that would rather suffer in silence than voice his opinion on matters like this. i actually think it might go this way seeing that he thinks nobody ever believes in him, so why should cheetara be any different to him. also im sure in his mind, since tygra has always been the favorite, it would be an obvious choice with cheetara. this is because, the kingdom of thundera pretty much believes tygra should have been king anyway. i got to say it kind of breaks my heart thinking how lonely liono is gonna be from now on I have two things to say about what you just said, 1 tygra'san ungrateful dick, 2 Lion-o is gonna be with cheetara trust me.

Amen.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

She's not even with Tygra yet, her words were too vague to consider Tygra/Cheetara as a couple already, and this came from my writer friends.

She said she should have made her feelings clear.

She is not making her feelings clear to tygra about choosing him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

got it covered

I will give you more if I found them during my investigation.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I will give you more if I found them during my investigation.

Do you have the one from E4, where they look at each other?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What happens if lion-o wakes up and cheetara is sleeping right next to him. She said she should make her feelings more clear.

That will "kill" a lot of TCL member.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Maybe she did chose her Beau and it is lion-o. They could have set us up. She would have said you tygra.

They did that all the time, with Ep summaries.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Here are the main snippets of Interviews, that I think provide clues on the triangle/relationships directly or indirectly. I will see if I can still get some more:

Jelenic:
- “…we wanted to Potray a classic “Hero’s Journey””
- “…Lion-O interpret a lot of Cheetara’s interest as effection”
- “..Possible romance between Lion-O/Cheetara”
- “..we dont’t give a definitive answer of her following Lion-O around until I think EP 14…”
- Specific on Lion-O/Cheetara thing “ If you invest in the show, with each episode you’ll get more out of it”
- “We are making this with the Thunderdads in mind”
- “A lot of the crew are Thunderdads too”
- The crew said Love is a strong word, that means Lion-O does have feelings for Cheetara but not yet in the love level, that’s why Cheetara’s voice actors said the spark between Lion-O and Cheetara keeps on evolving
- “we like to piss off the fans”
- “Tygra wondering, if he will loose again to Lion-O when it comes to love”
- “ ..and of course the love Triangle between the brothers and Cheetara”

Larry Kenny (the OS Lion-O):
- When the interviewer asked about the spark between Lion-O/Cheetara”Where was that spark between Lion-O and Cheetara when I was Playing Lion-O” then look annoyed “I was years too late” ”But we had launch a couple of times”
- “Fans of the OS have nothing to worry about this new show, they will love it, I am sure”

Cheetara’s Voice Actress:
- When asked about the triangle “Cheetara is a much better person than sancha. Cheetara is at least she is going for the highest good of all those involved, while sancha just stirs up the pot.”
-When the interviewer asked about the spark between Lion-O/Cheetara she said”yeah,.. you know it keeps on evolving, it’s hard to say anything without spoiling it, but it’s a good storyline” shippy laughs

Sam Register:
- “We wanted to create Characters with layers”
- “We have spent a lot of money on this…”
- “We wanted to keep the core and spirit of the story intact like the OS, a Hero’s Journey, Lion-O grows from a boy to a man, becoming king.”

Tygra’s Voice Actor:
- “Tygra came from a very dark place”

Excellent.

Thanks.

That is so many clues to L/C. That just can't come out and say it. Damn you CN for cutting the episodes.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

That will "kill" a lot of TCL member.

They can join the L/C fan club.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Do you have the one from E4, where they look at each other?

I'll get the screenshot from the Episode when I have the time.

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Also, L/C relationship is evolving.

i seriously would like to believe that but im just preparing myself for a letdown just in case. i can't go through this sick feeling i had for that dreadful episode again. at least if i brace for impact on the upcoming episodes and that the ending results of the season finale episode was real, it wouldn't hurt me as much.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

i seriously would like to believe that but im just preparing myself for a letdown just in case. i can't go through this sick feeling i had for that dreadful episode again. at least if i brace for impact on the upcoming episodes and that the ending results of the season finale episode was real, it wouldn't hurt me as much.

Think about it like this, considering this was asked form the spark angle, evolving means keep on going from more than just friends(original spark base), if it's just friends then no spark at all from the beginning and she will not say evolving, because that's devolving or stop evolving. Hope that's helping your morale a bit.

I know we must always be prepared for the worst, but keep your morale up people!

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Think about it like this, considering this was asked form the spark angle, evolving means keep on going from more than just friends(original spark base), if it's just friends then no spark at all from the beginning and she will not say evolving, because that's devolving or stop evolving. Hope that's helping your morale a bit.

I know we must always be prepared for the worst, but keep your morale up people!

that does help a bit.

[ThundercatsRules]

LO81e60 this one

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

LO81e60 this one

[ThundercatsRules]

damn she was blessed(her breasts) if you know what I mean

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

LO81e60 this one

that's a nice screenshot. they really do look good together though. kind of makes you wanna cry for poor liono, he must have thought she liked him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

that's a nice screenshot. they really do look good together though. kind of makes you wanna cry for poor liono, he must have thought she liked him.

She does like him, dont worry. she has feelings for him, that much is I am 100% certain. 10 of my writer friends that didn't even know tcats before confirmed it, I asked them to watch Ep1-13 for their opinions. The Tcats crew just playing around with our minds. If they are just friends or like brother and sister only then look at Wilkat and Kit, they are living proof on how they handled sibling/good friends relationship. Wily kat and kit never touched like Lion-O/Cheetara did, or it would be an incest, if Wilkit and Kat were like that.

[Eclipse]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

What if the next morning when Lion-O wakes up Cheetara will be there to say her feelings for him? and give him the most unforgettable wake up kiss ever the evening before she went to Tygra so logically the next morning she will go to Lion-O.

"Sweetie, I spent the evening making out with your brother to make sure he knows how grateful I am to his kindness all those years ago, and to make sure he's OK with us being together. Yeah, silly, it's you I chose! Now let's make out too."

As a woman, I find the situation Cheetara would be left in pretty disgusting. If Lion-O was OK with that, I'd lose all respect for him as a man. A cat. You understand.

Whatever it is to be, the writers have given us all enough rope to hang ourselves collectively with. I for one am screaming "dinosaurs!" at the top of my lungs. (Just dated myself, unless anyone else knows who Carl Sagan is )

Anyone else asked for Ep14 for Christmas? Anyone who actually deserves a miraculous gift for Christmas?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

LO81e60 this one

Thank you!!

Yes that is the one.

That is chemistry!!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

damn she was blessed(her breasts) if you know what I mean

That is anime Japan style.

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by Eclipse

"Sweetie, I spent the evening making out with your brother to make sure he knows how grateful I am to his kindness all those years ago, and to make sure he's OK with us being together. Yeah, silly, it's you I chose! Now let's make out too."

As a woman, I find the situation Cheetara would be left in pretty disgusting. If Lion-O was OK with that, I'd lose all respect for him as a man. A cat. You understand.

Whatever it is to be, the writers have given us all enough rope to hang ourselves collectively with. I for one am screaming "dinosaurs!" at the top of my lungs. (Just dated myself, unless anyone else knows who Carl Sagan is )

Anyone else asked for Ep14 for Christmas? Anyone who actually deserves a miraculous gift for Christmas?

lol

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

She does like him, dont worry. she has feelings for him, that much is I am 100% certain. 10 of my writer friends that didn't even know tcats before confirmed it, I asked them to watch Ep1-13 for their opinions. The Tcats crew just playing around with our minds. If they are just friends or like brother and sister only then look at Wilkat and Kit, they are living proof on how they handled sibling/good friends relationship. Wily kat and kit never touched like Lion-O/Cheetara did, or it would be an incest, if Wilkit and Kat were like that.

Agree.

Here is another thing for the people who say B/S do that. Brothers and sisters have known each other their whole life. L/C are more like strangers.

[stormbringer]

Those definately weren't sibling touches between L/C, and if they were I just had a frightening thought about the mystery of who Lion-os mother was!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

that's a nice screenshot. they really do look good together though. kind of makes you wanna cry for poor liono, he must have thought she liked him.

She does. She wouldn't act that way towards lion-o and then do a 180.

Remember the dialogue was very vague. If T/C were set, then the writers would have had cheetara say I choose you.

If they were set in stone, the TC crew would have answer about does cheetara love tygra. They answered for lion-o love cheetara.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Those definately weren't sibling touches between L/C, and if they were I just had a frightening thought about the mystery of who Lion-os mother was!

What women touches your hand and says we have each other as in cheetara and lion-o.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What women touches your hand and says we have each other as in cheetara and lion-o.

The writers definately blew it if they were trying to convince us that T/C was any kind of believable possibility. T/C came way out of the blue.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The writers definately blew it if they were trying to convince us that T/C was any kind of believable possibility. T/C came way out of the blue.

Exactly.

Remember, they said they wanted to make the classic cliché hero journey. That is the main M/F hooking up.

If they wanted T/C they would have made it like L/C.

Cheetara actress said it too, L/C is evolving.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

LO81e60 this one

Future King and Queen of the new thunderia.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

What women touches your hand and says we have each other as in cheetara and lion-o.

The logic works differently on the TCL board apparently

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

The logic works differently on the TCL board apparently

The tygra fans come out and dismiss it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They did that all the time, with Ep summaries.

???

Sorry don't understand.

Setting people up with the summaries and it happens differently?

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The tygra fans come out and dismiss it.

They don't let minor things like facts and evidence spoil their fun!

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

They don't let minor things like facts and evidence spoil their fun!

If they would have wrote the story, lion-o's corpse would still be down in that hole.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

???

Sorry don't understand.

Setting people up with the summaries and it happens differently?

In gargoyles I think, back then, yeah, forgot the details, but the episode summary was something that tricked the viewers.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

In gargoyles I think, back then, yeah, forgot the details, but the episode summary was something that tricked the viewers.

Thanks.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Thanks.

And in 1992's X-men cartoon too, I think

[L08e16o]

Another theme that has been running for lion-o is the bigger picture.

Here is another way to look at it.

Lion-o saw the little picture, t/c kissing for a thank you. Maybe the bigger picture is cheetara picked lion-o. Again she never said who she picked. How long has cheetara been following lion-o?

I think she chose lion-o.

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another theme that has been running for lion-o is the bigger picture.

Here is another way to look at it.

Lion-o saw the little picture, t/c kissing for a thank you. Maybe the bigger picture is cheetara picked lion-o. Again she never said who she picked. How long has cheetara been following lion-o?

I think she chose lion-o.

im really starting to believe that scenario might play out just like that. thanks for all the analysis and theories, it has given hope to me for this series.

[cmangund]

Been analyzing the episode summaries of EP 13:

On CN the epsiode summary is indeed "cheetara chooses her beau"
On Facebook the episode summary is "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??" http://en-gb.facebook.com/thundercats

Now the one that direct from WB is the facebook one, the one on CN is the CN version of their "way" of marketing the show. The one on CN which we cannot consider as a canon plot synopsis since the crew has no direct control on what the CN will write on their website. So the one from first party, facebook one that is can be considered the official plot synopsis for EP13, since the crew has direct control over it.


The official Plot synopsis words are "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??"" showing a clear indication that does not mean what happen in Ep13 is actually her "official choice". Clearly this plot synopsis is really into the grey area which is the same as what's happening in the episode where cheetara's dialogue is also gray or vague, Thus it is clear enough to assume that Ep 14 will make it more clear on her choice, though it will may not also mean that in EP 14 is her choice of choice perse, as from experience writers like to make everything unclear, to us viewers, but one thing is certain as the Tygra/Cheetara side already being shown in EP 13, then there is 95% chance that EP 14 will show the Lion-O/Cheetara angle of the triangle. Another thing to note is the two question marks, they could also purposely put that to keep the viewers guessing, is this really her choice? and/or to trick us viewers?Taking into account all the interviews, facts and data and anlyisis.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

im really starting to believe that scenario might play out just like that. thanks for all the analysis and theories, it has given hope to me for this series.

You're welcome.

We were left to this episode for a month.

There are just to much left open with her dialogue.

If she chose lion-o along time ago, it would make sense since we will fine out why she follows him in the next episode.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Been analyzing the episode summaries of EP 13:

On CN the epsiode summary is indeed "cheetara chooses her beau"
On Facebook the episode summary is "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??" ThunderCats | Facebook

Now the one that direct from WB is the facebook one, the one on CN is the CN version of their "way" of marketing the show. The one on CN which we cannot consider as a canon plot synopsis since the crew has no direct control on what the CN will write on their website. So the one from first party, facebook one that is can be considered the official plot synopsis for EP13, since the crew has direct control over it.


The official Plot synopsis words are "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??"" showing a clear indication that does not mean what happen in Ep13 is actually her "official choice". Clearly this plot synopsis is really into the grey area which is the same as what's happening in the episode where cheetara's dialogue is also gray or vague, Thus it is clear enough to assume that Ep 14 will make it more clear on her choice, though it will not also mean that in EP 14 is her choice of choice perse, as from experience writers like to make everything unclear, to us viewers, but one thing is certain as the Tygra/Cheetara side already being shown in EP 13, then there is 95% chance that EP 14 will show the Lion-O/Cheetara angle of the triangle. Another thing to note is the two question marks, they could also purposely put that to keep the viewers guessing, is this really her choice? or to trick us viewers?Taking into account all the interviews, facts and data and anlyisis.

Great points.

I really believe that we will see cheetara's angle (why she follows him) and then Lion-o's angle in trails. I think we will know for sure who chose who. I just think L/C will keep building until the end of Season 1 with the hot make out kiss.

I think we will know cheetara chose lion-o in E14, but how will them tell each others feelings when what just happen. It will make the story better. It will make the fans invest more.

I think the end of trails, L/C will tell each other how they feel.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Been analyzing the episode summaries of EP 13:

On CN the epsiode summary is indeed "cheetara chooses her beau"
On Facebook the episode summary is "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??" ThunderCats | Facebook

Now the one that direct from WB is the facebook one, the one on CN is the CN version of their "way" of marketing the show. The one on CN which we cannot consider as a canon plot synopsis since the crew has no direct control on what the CN will write on their website. So the one from first party, facebook one that is can be considered the official plot synopsis for EP13, since the crew has direct control over it.


The official Plot synopsis words are "And will Cheetara finally choose between the brothers??"" showing a clear indication that does not mean what happen in Ep13 is actually her "official choice". Clearly this plot synopsis is really into the grey area which is the same as what's happening in the episode where cheetara's dialogue is also gray or vague, Thus it is clear enough to assume that Ep 14 will make it more clear on her choice, though it will not also mean that in EP 14 is her choice of choice perse, as from experience writers like to make everything unclear, to us viewers, but one thing is certain as the Tygra/Cheetara side already being shown in EP 13, then there is 95% chance that EP 14 will show the Lion-O/Cheetara angle of the triangle. Another thing to note is the two question marks, they could also purposely put that to keep the viewers guessing, is this really her choice? or to trick us viewers?Taking into account all the interviews, facts and data and anlyisis.

I read the FB one. Like you said, it leaves everything the gray. I think the dialogue was done of purpose to throw us off and build the drama.

I think E14 will expore who cheetara chose and why.

[CCDustyV]

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Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules

LO81e60 this one

oh yeah, that's brotherly/sisterly if I ever saw...

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Great points.

I really believe that we will see cheetara's angle (why she follows him) and then Lion-o's angle in trails. I think we will know for sure who chose who. I just think L/C will keep building until the end of Season 1 with the hot make out kiss.

I think we will know cheetara chose lion-o in E14, but how will them tell each others feelings when what just happen. It will make the story better. It will make the fans invest more.

I think the end of trails, L/C will tell each other how they feel.

Yeah I think they will show it from Cheetara's angle first like Jelenic said then move on to Lion-O's angle then keep on developing until at the end of season 1 EP 26 the make out kiss

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another theme that has been running for lion-o is the bigger picture.

Here is another way to look at it.

Lion-o saw the little picture, t/c kissing for a thank you. Maybe the bigger picture is cheetara picked lion-o. Again she never said who she picked. How long has cheetara been following lion-o?

I think she chose lion-o.

Yeah, if you remove all the other hairy factors of the equation, and make it as the simplest basic form of the equation, that's how you see it. Darn I just wish those hairy factors including X-factors of the equation are not there. and make it to just:

L+C=Total Match, rather than
(L*(A^B^E)+C*(A^B^E)+T(A^B^E) )/(W(A^B^E)+P(A^B^E))= Love Triangle

W= Writers of the show
P= Produceers of the show
A,B,E= Personalities of the characters, X-factors and similar factors, What kind of situations will the writers and producers put those 3 in the show.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

They don't let minor things like facts and evidence spoil their fun!

Yeah, it's no biggy for them

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

We were left to this episode for a month.
.

Last time I checked on CN they have only until January 01
7:30a "Old Friends". Other show like Star Wars Clone Wars they have schedule for until January 07. So maybe we will get "New Alliances" January 6 2012?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

im really starting to believe that scenario might play out just like that. thanks for all the analysis and theories, it has given hope to me for this series.

No Problem I will see what I can still get from it, and try to analyze everything until there's nothing more to analyze on this darn issue.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

the mystery of who Lion-os mother was!

Made me think if they ever going to show Lion-O's mother. If L08e16o's SoO Theory was right then we may see his mother in Ep14. what if his mother was a Cheetah and not a Lion? Maybe his mother's personality was like Cheetara, if she was a Cheetah? Didn't you have discussions about this with Hollowdheart if I am not mistaken?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Yes that is the one.

That is chemistry!!

Darn snarf why must you interfere! need to stick it there.