Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I wonder if they come in after the trails.

The three differetn quotes say a lot without spoiling it.

If you think the episodes title "New Alliances" could also mean Mumm-ra making new alliances like pointed by Big Snarf and Lion-O make new alliances with Bengali and the gang. Or Mumm-ra making new alliances and Lion-O going solo and lead to the shippy Lion-O/Cheetara moment like we discussed.

Yeah those quotes and Larry kenny ones pretty much seal the deal with Lion-O/Cheetara if you look at it. But we must always think outside the box.

[L08e16o]

Ok, watched the ending of 13 again. She does not say you.

She said she chose along time ago and then went into the story of the flower.

The heart part kills me, because it was in her wrist band, that would never lasted.

She moved in and put her arms around him and he leaned in and kissed.

She said she kept the heart to remind her of his kindness, then she said she didn't thank him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Ok, watched the ending of 13 again. She does not say you.

She said she chose along time ago and then went into the story of the flower.

The heart part kills me, because is was in her wrist band, that would never lasted.

She moved in and put her arms around him and he leaned in and kissed.

She said she kept the heart to remind him of his kindness, then she said she didn't thank him.

Oh okay that's good news then I must have missed it

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

If you think the episodes title "New Alliances" could also mean Mumm-ra making new alliances like pointed by Big Snarf and Lion-O make new alliances with Bengali and the gang. Or Mumm-ra making new alliances and Lion-O going solo and lead to the shippy Lion-O/Cheetara moment like we discussed.

Yeah those quotes and Larry kenny ones pretty much seal the deal with Lion-O/Cheetara if you look at it. But we must always think outside the box.

That is fine, but I hope they don't think their audience does.

I wonder if the mummra has the cats working for him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The heart part kills me, because it was in her wrist band, that would never lasted.

Yeah how in the world the heart of the flower can last that long. unless the Tygra mind illusion or similar theories comes into play.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Oh okay that's good news then I must have missed it

That is three times I have watched it.

It is very vague.

To me she could have said I will make my feelings more clear and kiss him. Then she could tell him why she chose him. She would not have to thank him.

Cheetara did know about the evening bells though.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I wonder if the mummra has the cats working for him.

This could also be true, then it will even add more drama of cats Vs cats.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is three times I have watched it.

It is very vague.

To me she could have said I will make my feelings more clear and kiss him. Then she could tell him why she chose him. She would not have to thank him.

Cheetara did know about the evening bells though.

Okay so reanalyzing it with this new data. This could also mean she purposely go to Tygra until the evening bells to save Lion-O from the betrayal. aside for feeling guilty and having feelings to for Tygra.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah how in the world the heart of the flower can last that long. unless the Tygra mind illusion or similar theories comes into play.

That is the only way.

The flower withered away. You could see it when she dropped it. I don't know how she could keep the heart. It looked like the withered flower was intact.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

This could also be true, then it will even add more drama of cats Vs cats.

Mummra needs an advantage.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Okay so reanalyzing it with this new data. This could also mean she purposely go to Tygra until the evening bells to save Lion-O from the betrayal.

That is what I was thinking. She is protecting her king. I think she will pick the crown before feelings.

When Annet said themselves (that is what they would be facing). Cheetara made a serious face. I wonder if that is when she decided to go to tygra.

Tygra did make the illusion of the SoO. He did it with no problem.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is the only way.

The flower withered away. You could see it when she dropped it. I don't know how she could keep the heart. It looked like the withered flower was intact.

In the Os Tygra does have mind illusions powers, and that part when Tygra wanting the stone for himself was a homage to the OS. Most of my writer friends agreed with The Tygra mind illusion theories too if it is a plot twist eventhough they did not watch the OS. and thus ante's word".. you will know a betrayal from your brother that you have never known." i.e. Tygra Mind Illusion "betrayal".

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is what I was thinking. She is protecting her king. I think she will pick the crown before feelings.

When Annet said themselves (that is what they would be facing). Cheetara made a serious face. I wonder if that is when she decided to go to tygra.

Tygra did make the illusion of the SoO. He did it with no problem.

Okay these new data strengthen the Tygra Mind Illussion theory considerably.
So I would say right know this theory has the highest chance of happening.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

In the Os Tygra does have mind illusions powers, and that part when Tygra wanting the stone for himself was a homage to the OS. Most of my writer friends agreed with The Tygra mind illusion theories too if it is a plot twist eventhough they did not watch the OS. and thus ante's word".. you will know a betrayal from your brother that you have never known." i.e. Tygra Mind Illusion "betrayal".

Maybe that was tygra heart's desire, cheetara thanking him. Maybe that is want he wanted to hear, so he made teh illsuion. The illusion theroy could happen, but I don't know.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Okay these new data strengthen the Tygra Mind Illussion theory considerably.
So I would say right know this theory has the highest chance of happening.

But would the writers use it?

He would feel betrayal would be the illusion, because tygra is not betraying him. If it was the real cheetara, he would in a sense.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Maybe that was tygra heart's desire, cheetara thanking him. Maybe that is want he wanted to hear, so he made teh illsuion. The illusion theroy could happen, but I don't know.

Yeah Tygra might triggered his illusions power wthout really knowing, it. and it did not waste any epsiode as it was showing it from Tygra's prespective not Lion-O's, at this point. To show the audience how real the illusion was.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Okay these new data strengthen the Tygra Mind Illussion theory considerably.
So I would say right know this theory has the highest chance of happening.

If they use the illusion, I hope lion-o know it is. I hope they talk and tygra says he is fine with L/C.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah Tygra might triggered his illusions power wthout really knowing, it. and it did not waste any epsiode as it was showing it from Tygra's prespective not Lion-O's, at this point. To show the audience how real the illusion was.

The SoO was very real. He beat lion-o with it.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

But would the writers use it?

He would feel betrayal would be the illusion, because tygra is not betraying him. If it was the real cheetara, he would in a sense.

Annet also said 'Lion-O will feel betrayed" in Ep 13 if I am not wrong. So Lion-O did "feel betrayed" whether it was an illusion or not. and it was from his brother since Tygra's the one conjuring the illusion, if the theory was true.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The SoO was very real. He beat lion-o with it.

yeah that one in the astral plane, and he did conjure the SoO there, so he can carry this ability to outside the AP without him knowing it. As Pantro's arm is proof that part of objects can be inside the AP and the other parts of object still working properly outside of the AP.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Annet also said 'Lion-O will feel betrayed" in Ep 13 if I am not wrong. So Lion-O did "feel betrayed" whether it was an illusion or not. and it was from his brother since Tygra's the one conjuring the illusion, if the theory was true.

Your correct. I watched it. The illusion would make lion-o feel betrayed.

I think Annet would say lion-o would feel betrayal from cheetara and tygra if it was was her.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If they use the illusion, I hope lion-o know it is. I hope they talk and tygra says he is fine with L/C.

If it was an lllusion Tygra will be fine, because he was already starting to except it at the end of EP13, his dialogue before the "fake Cheetara" comes along, it shows it.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

If it was an lllusion Tygra will be fine, because he was already starting to except it at the end of EP13, his dialogue before the "fake Cheetara" comes along shows it.

I agree. He made the illusion to just hear her say that. I think after hearing that, he can move on now.

The illusion would blow everyones mind.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think Annet would say lion-o would feel betrayal from cheetara and tygra if it was was her.

Yeah Annet was specific on from whom the betrayal will come. and he was never wrong according to his aide.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree. He made the illusion to just hear her say that.

The illusion would blow everyones mind.

He could also made that illusion without even him aware of it. This could lead into a funny scene where cheetara is confused with the way he is talking to her in the next episode.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

He could also made that illusion without even him aware of it. This could lead into a funny scene where cheetara is confused with the way he is talking to her in the next episode.

That would be.

I hope it wouldn't lead to cheetara feeling sorry for tygra.

It would make sense that they would but head less.

If it was cheetara, I don't how lion-o would not be sore about it. That would lead to more tension.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

He could also made that illusion without even him aware of it. This could lead into a funny scene where cheetara is confused with the way he is talking to her in the next episode.

Maybe what his heart's desire can be conjure. Like the SoO, he disires it. Maybe he wanted to get rid of his brother, so you saw what his heart desired. Cheetara thanking him was his hearts desire.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That would be.

I hope it wouldn't lead to cheetara feeling sorry for tygra.

It would make sense that they would but head less.

If it was cheetara, I don't how lion-o would not be sore about it. That would lead to more tension.

Like it or not Tygra is logical he will be starting to know if Cheetara acts weird when Tygra changed his way of talking to her. sooner or later he will be aware of his mind illusion powers.

The Lion-O sore about it can lead to a very hot Lion-O/Cheetara kiss

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Maybe what his heart's desire can be conjure. Like the SoO, he disires it. Maybe he wanted to get rid of his brother, so you saw what his heart desired. Cheetara thanking him was his hearts desire.

that further strengthen the fact that, that dreaded scene was indeed one of his heart desires, partly because of the jealousy he has for Lion-O.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If it was cheetara, I don't how lion-o would not be sore about it. That would lead to more tension.

Think of it this way, If it was Tygra's mind illusion. Then one factor is already out of the equation of the triangle. Only this time Lion-O will try harder and becoming more like a man to show Cheetara his feelings, instead of being "passive" like before.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

that further strengthen the fact that, that dreaded scene was indeed one of his heart desires, partly because of the jealousy he has for Lion-O.

The illusion alo would make sense as to why they didn't answer Hollowdheart about if cheetara loves tygra.

When she asked about lion-o loving cheetara, they said love is a strong word. I would think they would use the samething with cheetara. They have nothing to lose to not tell us.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

that further strengthen the fact that, that dreaded scene was indeed one of his heart desires, partly because of the jealousy he has for Lion-O.

That is one of my problems with tygra going after cheetara. He never wanted her until L/C were getting close.

That is what he call a HATER.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

The illusion alo would make sense as to why they didn't answer Hollowdheart about if cheetara loves tygra.

When she asked about lion-o loving cheetara, they said love is a strong word. I would think they would use the samething with cheetara. They have nothing to lose to not tell us.

Ya and them saying love is a strong word is one indication that lion-o indeed has feelings for cheetara and the Lion-O/Cheetara thing will be a one long journey througout the series.

Yah they have noting to loose to answer that but they can't since what we are seeing was an illuusion

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Ya and them saying love is a strong word is one indication that lion-o indeed has feelings for cheetara and the Lion-O/Cheetara thing will be a one long journey througout the series.

Yah they have noting to loose to answer that but they can't since what we are seeing was an illuusion

Makes you think. If they say something and it was an illusion, then they would be lying.

See that is what I like, that is a great story line of L/C (per cheetara's actress). Let it flow.

You know where it is going, but you are in for the ride.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

See that is what I like, that is a great story line of L/C (per cheetara's actress). Let it flow.

You know where it is going, but you are in for the ride.

Yeah eventough my writer friends said they cannot predict the result of the triangle as there can be so many other things happening, it will lead to the Lion-O/Cheetara road based on the all angle posible analysis thing, hooking up 100% or at least 50%.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah eventough my writer friends said they cannot predict the result of the triangle as there can be so many other things happening, it will lead to the Lion-O/Cheetara road based on the all angle posible analysis thing, hooking up 100% or at least 50%.

No relationship is without bumy roads.

We just need to hear their feelings and a kiss. I can't see why she follows him around.

Just like stormbringer said, they can write so much from the L/C angle.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You know where it is going, but you are in for the ride.

Problems is they will/already take/took a lot of risks and gamble a lot as so many fans already or will be pissed off and drop the show, because of the extreme roller coster ride.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

No relationship is without bumy roads.

We just need to hear their feelings and a kiss. I can't see why she follows him around.

Just like stormbringer said, they can write so much from the L/C angle.

Jelenic and Register love ships and romances in cartoon, at least the Lion-O/Cheetara kissing scene we will get They should see there are so many possibilites they can do with Lion-O/Cheetara. that's also part of the reason I think they will not drop the ship.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Problems is they will/already take/took a lot of risks and gamble a lot as so many fans already or will be pissed off and drop the show, because of the extreme roller coster ride.

IMO, I don't think they will go that way. If they had a big budget, I think they will need to make a lot. They don't give out big budgets, without expecting to make money. The crew would hurt themselves for projects later.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic and Register love ships and romances in cartoon, at least the Lion-O/Cheetara kissing scene we will get They should see there are so many possibilites they can do with Lion-O/Cheetara. that's also part of the reason I think they will not drop the ship.

We know the prophecy of lion-o, what about one for the queen.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

IMO, I don't think they will go that way. If they had a big budget, I think they will need to make a lot. They don't give out big budgets, without expecting to make money. The crew would hurt themselves for projects later.

Yeah I don't think they are that stupid. Sigh Why must they make this whole thing into a controversy and really pissing most of us off.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

We know the prophecy of lion-o, what about one for the queen.

Not enough data yet on the future queen we will see what we can get in "New Alliances" first.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic and Register love ships and romances in cartoon, at least the Lion-O/Cheetara kissing scene we will get They should see there are so many possibilites they can do with Lion-O/Cheetara. that's also part of the reason I think they will not drop the ship.

Here is anohter thing, there is so much to do, stones, the city the kids are looking for, uniting the animals, and beating mummra. Then you got tygra's past, connection to L/C, the kids past, and Panthero. Can they drag it out for a long period of time.

I can't see anyone else with lion-o, if they are going to be queen, they will need more than a few episodes.

If Tygra ends up with pumyra, then they only need three episodes. She will be a background character.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah I don't think they are that stupid. Sigh Why must they make this whole thing into a controversy and really pissing most of us off.

I not familiar with their work. Like you said, it adds layers.

The illusion would be the only cop out. It would show tygra's new power up, just like lion-o. It make sense for cheetara. It works with tygra, because he was going to move on. He realize he didn't want to hurt lion-o again from the AP.

The real cheetara makes it complicated. He was going to move on and she just made it really bad. How can they not but heads if that is the real cheetara. I would be so mad. I would not be able to work with those two. I would close off myself to them.

Every time lion-o sees cheetara, he will be reminded of the kiss.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Here is anohter thing, there is so much to do. Can they drag it out for a long period of time.

I can't see anyone else with lion-o, if they are going to be queen, they will need more than a few episodes.

If Tygra ends up with pumyra, then they only need three episodes. She will be a background character.

Yeah so many story threads that they can pull.

She is already too connected with Lion-O, even this early most of us can see the chemistry they have otherwise we will not be this pissed off.

If they will do Tygra/Pumyra, maybe at the Pumyra story arc end they will kiss and Tygra saying he will return after he finishes his duty with Lion-O in building the kingdom again.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah so many story threads that they can pull.

She is already too connected with Lion-O, even this early most of us can see the chemistry they have otherwise we will not be this pissed off.

If they will do Tygra/Pumyra, maybe at the Pumyra story arc end they will kiss and Tygra saying he will return after he finishes his duty with Lion-O in building the kingdom again.

They would be great.

That would be funny if pumyra kicks his butt, that would get his attention. I think tygra wants his own life.

You have so much, Lion-o going into book of omens, how many characters will they bring from the OS.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I not familiar with their work. Like you said, it adds layers.

The illusion would be the only cop out. It would show tygra's new power up, just like lion-o. It make sense for cheetara. It works with tygra, because he was going to move on. He realize he didn't want to hurt lion-o again from the AP.

The real cheetara makes it complicated. He was going to move on and she just made it really bad. How can they not but heads if that is the real cheetara. I would be so mad. I would not be able to work with those two. I would close off myself to them.

Yeah to add Layers and stuff, but still it makes you feel pissed off. even if you do know how they work.

Yeah otherwise it's like a character backtracking instead of developing for Tygra. He is already starting to cool down at the end of that EP.

If that was a real cheetara then it will be a verry messy mess like most of the scenarios I did.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah to add Layers and stuff, but still it makes you feel pissed off. even if you do know how they work.

Yeah otherwise it's like a character backtracking instead of developing for Tygra. He is already starting to cool down at the end of that EP.

If that was a real cheetara then it will be a verry messy mess like most of the scenarios I did.

Agreed.

If it is the illusion, a lot of the base will be happy and keep on watching. Tygra fans would not be so angry, because they know he has that power. That contradict what actress said about L/C evolving. They would stop there for right now.

She won't be able to explain herself to lion-o and she would have disgrace jaga. One thing we know about her duty, she is the protector of the crown. That is not protecting the crown.

Lets say she was just building trust (we know that is not true, they were a snarf of a chance from kissing), it is gone.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

They would be great.

That would be funny if pumyra kicks his butt, that would get his attention. I think tygra wants his own life.

You have so much, Lion-o going into book of omens, how many characters will they bring from the OS.

They promised "a lot" of incarnation of characters from the OS they will bring in.

Pumyra maybe feisty for all we know in this series, make Tygra in awe

If they put Cheetara/with Tygra it will kill a lot of her character development considerately like most of us here agreed on. Since she as a character was clearly designed to support Lion-O also on personal level, as they said with the spirit of the OS and in the interview where they did not deny the spark between Lion-O/Cheetara keep on developing. How can she support Lion-O properly if She must always be careful with Tygra. It will make her character stuck in a dead loop instead of developing. Not a good idea of writing.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

They promised "a lot" of incarnation of characters from the OS they will bring in.

Pumyra maybe feisty for all we know in this series, make Tygra in awe

If they put Cheetara/with Tygra it will kill a lot of her character development considerately like most of us here agreed on. Since she as a character was clearly designed to support Lion-O also on personal level, as they said with the spirit of the OS and in the interview where they did not deny the spark between Lion-O/Cheetara keep on developing. How can she support Lion-O properly if She must always be careful with Tygra. It will make her character stuck in a dead loop instead of developing. Not a good idea of writing.

Totally agree. Just like the cat from Legacy. She is the first cat to support him, that means a lot. How could they keep devolop anything between the two right now. She will be reminded to not hurt tygra and lion-o will be reminded of the kiss. The writers would have hit a wall.

What would be crazy if that was an illusion and lion-o is devasted. He leaves and the real cheetara comes up and kisses him. That would be a WTF momment. You talk about a rush of feelings. It would fall in line with feeling betrayed by tygra. Plus you can have cheetara clear everything up to lion-o with a flashback of her following him.