Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[L08e16o]

I wonder what lion-o will do in the next episode. Will tygra and cheetara see him. What will the other cats think about it. What is mummra's next move.

Will the TC have some down time while panthro gets his arms?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Sadly you're probably right.

You know lion-o would be having a bad day if snarf found someone too.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You know lion-o would be having a bad day if snarf found someone too.

If Wilykit& Kat find love interest before him its definately time for Lion-o to throw in the towel.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You know lion-o would be having a bad day if snarf found someone too.

I posted this back on page 11
Episode 14, maybe can be something like this:

Lion-O going solo Then he gets into a deadly situation (cheetara’s six sense goes on) has to use the full power of the sword thus allowing the others to know his location. Cheetara will get there first with her speed and found Lion-O mortally wounded, use her cleric skill to cure and nurse him. This will make the perfect time for Lion-O to tell her his feelings, and maybe a stronger connection between them can start here, explaining to us of her following him around in the process, maybe with flashbacks.

Then we see Mum-ra making new alliances.

Berbils will probably make new arms for panthro with extra features.

Lion-O could also make new alliances with other species.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

If Wilykit& Kat find love interest before him its definately time for Lion-o to throw in the towel.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I posted this back on page 11
Episode 14, maybe can be something like this:

Lion-O going solo Then he gets into a deadly situation (cheetara’s six sense goes on) has to use the full power of the sword thus allowing the others to know his location. Cheetara will get there first with her speed and found Lion-O mortally wounded, use her cleric skill to cure and nurse him. This will make the perfect time for Lion-O to tell her his feelings, and maybe a stronger connection between them can start here, explaining to us of her following him around in the process, maybe with flashbacks.

Then we see Mum-ra making new alliances.

Berbils will probably make new arms for panthro with extra features.

Lion-O could also make new alliances with other species.

I would love that!!

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I would love that!!

And also there maybe a brother to brother talk secene or a cliffhanger, showing tygra arrived and see lion-O wounded nursed by cheetara.

[L08e16o]

I wonder when we will see the Jackalmen. I like their design.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

And also there maybe a brother to brother talk secene or a cliffhanger, showing tygra arrived and see lion-O wounded nursed by cheetara.

Another great idea.

How about mummra owning lion-o, because everyone else does. Takes the stone and lion-o uses the sword. Cheetara senses it and comes to help him. I would love to see lion-o save cheetara, he OWES her big time.

Can you imagine if tygra saw them kiss.

[cmangund]

Or it can also be a plot twist altogether. showing a new villain with magic powers manipulating from behind the scenes the entire tygra/cheetara thing to make lion-o go solo and make the villain easier to get the sword and the stones from lion-o.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another great idea.

How about mummra owning lion-o, because everyone else does. Takes the stone and lion-o uses the sword. Cheetara senses it and comes to help him. I would love to see lion-o save cheetara, he OWES her big time.

Yeah good idea it could also be something like that. Lion-O saves cheetara.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Another great idea.

How about mummra owning lion-o, because everyone else does. Takes the stone and lion-o uses the sword. Cheetara senses it and comes to help him. I would love to see lion-o save cheetara, he OWES her big time.

Can you imagine if tygra saw them kiss.

I think the kiss they will push it until the end of season 2. But sooner or later the kiss will happen.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah good idea it could also be something like that. Lion-O saves cheetara.

Lion-o gets seriously wounded by saving cheetara. Now what will she do?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Lion-o gets seriously wounded by saving cheetara. Now what will see do?

Ah right that will put another one point to Lion-O in the love triangle scale.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I think the kiss they will push it until the end of season 2. But sooner or later the kiss will happen.

If cheetara and lion-o kiss on the last episode, Wow. As long as tygra has someone.

I just think it would be hard to be a cleric and serve the king as advisor and body guard while being with the kings brother. If she got hurt tygra would be coming for lion-o, can you blame him?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If cheetara and lion-o kiss on the last episode, Wow. As long as tygra has someone.

I just think it would be hard to be a cleric and serve the king as advisor and body guard while being with the kings brother. If she got hurt tygra would be coming for lion-o, can you blame him?

Tygra may not see the kiss. Besides, If most of my analysis back in the thread were right they will not hook any of them up. it will be in "ship" mode.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Tygra may not see the kiss. Besides, If most of my analysis back in the thread were right they will not hook any of them up. it will be in "ship" mode.

That would be one way to clam the flames.

Are they just doing 26 episodes?

[Chique]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If cheetara and lion-o kiss on the last episode, Wow. As long as tygra has someone.

I just think it would be hard to be a cleric and serve the king as advisor and body guard while being with the kings brother. If she got hurt tygra would be coming for lion-o, can you blame him?

Not so sure about that. When he's not a victim of his feelings of jealousy Tygra seems like he'd be a person of duty. Remember when Cheetara got hurt in Journey to The Tower of Omens? Lion-O rushed to see about her, but Tygra told him to keep his focus on the mission. All things considered that would have been the perfect time for Tygra to play knight in shining armor, but he put the objective before any personal feelings.

I would hope that Tygra would see that being a Cleric is Cheetara's dream, and understand that there are risk involved. Now if Cheetara got hurt because Lion-O did something stupid? Thats different.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That would be one way to clam the flames.

Are they just doing 26 episodes?

52 episodes confirmed.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

52 episodes confirmed.

WOW. I didn't know that.

There is no dout that the triangle will go on.

The writers would not have shown their hands so soon.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Chique

Not so sure about that. When he's not a victim of his feelings of jealousy Tygra seems like he'd be a person of duty. Remember when Cheetara got hurt in Journey to The Tower of Omens? Lion-O rushed to see about her, but Tygra told him to keep his focus on the mission. All things considered that would have been the perfect time for Tygra to play knight in shining armor, but he put the objective before any personal feelings.

I would hope that Tygra would see that being a Cleric is Cheetara's dream, and understand that there are risk involved. Now if Cheetara got hurt because Lion-O did something stupid? Thats different.

Lion-o right now would do something stupid.

That was the old tygra, honor and duty. I actually forgot. I wonder when he will use his illusions.

I didn't know this was 52 episodes.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

WOW. I didn't know that.

There is no dout that the triangle will go on.

The writers would not have shown their hands so soon.

Yeah, but they will now know for sure that a lot of the fans, especially the OS fans ,already this angry this early with the whole Cheetara/Tygra thing, how dangerous the territory is that hey have gone into.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, but they will now know for sure that a lot of the fans, especially the OS fans ,already this angry this early with the whole Cheetara/Tygra thing, how dangerous the territory is that hey have gone into.

They had to know. The OS fans have the money to spend.

Maybe they are saying lion-o is unworthy of her now and later he proves worthy for her.

I was under the impression it was only 26 episodes.

In anime where there is 52 episodes, how things start out, end up different.

[cmangund]

Despite 52 episodes confirmed. My decision still stands, I will give the show a couple more episodes to see if they can fix this mess they made. If they will give at least a clue of the fix then I will keep on seeing the show if not then I am done.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, but they will now know for sure that a lot of the fans, especially the OS fans ,already this angry this early with the whole Cheetara/Tygra thing, how dangerous the territory is that hey have gone into.

I saw fans said they wanted to cry for lion-o. Man. They did a good job for shock value. I give them that.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Despite 52 episodes confirmed. My decision still stands, I will give the show a couple more episodes to see if they can fix this mess they made. If they will give at least a clue of the fix then I will keep on seeing the show if not then I am done.

I think they will fix the mess. I think they rushed it to give shock value.

It was like a signal to lion-o are you going to keep walking in your brothers shadow or will you be a man.

I would give it to episode 22. I really believe they don't want to PO the OS fans.

52 epiosdes give me more hope in to what I would like to happen. I think they would have develop T/C more if they were set in stone. They have 39 episodes to build the romance. They would not have rushed it. I think L/C will develop.

One of the TC has to betray the group. Mummra needs an ally inside the group.

Think what they could do in 52 episodes. The group can split to look for the stones (L/C) or L/C can go into the book of omens. Cheetara has a connection to lion-o and the sword.

[stormbringer]

I said in a post before that it could be an interesting story if Tygra develops mind illusion powers, and goes temporarily to the darkside. Cheetara would be torn between wanting to save him,and wondering if she made a big mistake in choosing him. And Lion-o would be torn between wanting yo save him and wanting to write him off altogether.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I said in a post before that it could be an interesting story if Tygra develops mind illusion powers, and goes temporarily to the darkside. Cheetara would be torn between wanting to save him,and wondering if she made a big mistake in choosing him. And Lion-o would be torn between wanting yo save him and wanting to write him off altogether.

Yeah this will be a good storyline. If they do this they must give you royalty pay for the idea.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think they will fix the mess. I think they rushed it to give shock value.

It was like a signal to lion-o are you going to keep walking in your brothers shadow or will you be a man.

I would give it to episode 22. I really believe they don't want to PO the OS fans.

52 epiosdes give me more hope in to what I would like to happen. I think they would have develop T/C more if they were set in stone. They have 39 episodes to build the romance. They would not have rushed it. I think L/C will develop.

One of the TC has to betray the group. Mummra needs an ally inside the group.

Think what they could do in 52 episodes. The group can split to look for the stones (L/C) or L/C can go into the book of omens. Cheetara has a connection to lion-o and the sword.

Hopefully it will be like you say. Either way I will only be expecting an open triangle/quadruple conclusion so I will be not be disappointed if things go south again (will drop the show if this is the case). If Lion-O/Cheetara do hook up in the end I will consider that as a bonus.

[cmangund]

Wonder what will happen to Mum-Ra of they give him a love interest
Maybe a twisted version of Mum-Rana from the OS.

[stormbringer]

Great thanks for that image. I better not dream about this!

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

great thanks for that image. I better not dream about this!

hehe:d:d:d:d:d:d

[cmangund]

Mum-ra wanted to conquer the planet, but what will he do with it once he conquered it. I think he is more obsessed with the process of conquering it rather than governing the conquered planet.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Mum-ra wanted to conquer the planet, but what will he do with it once he conquered it. I think he is more obsessed with the process of conquering it rather than governing the conquered planet.

He can leave that to tygra.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Hopefully it will be like you say. Either way I will only be expecting an open triangle/quadruple conclusion so I will be not be disappointed if things go south again (will drop the show if this is the case). If Lion-O/Cheetara do hook up in the end I will consider that as a bonus.

I am telling you legacy was foreshodowing L/C. I don't think they put that in there for nothing.
13 was to throw everyone off.

I have more hope since it is it is 52. I know I am hopless.

Tygra could get seperated from the gruop and run into puymra, that would be a nice 3 episode arch devoted to him. We know lion-o will get most of the screen time, so why not have T/P in a 3 epiosde arch.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I said in a post before that it could be an interesting story if Tygra develops mind illusion powers, and goes temporarily to the darkside. Cheetara would be torn between wanting to save him,and wondering if she made a big mistake in choosing him. And Lion-o would be torn between wanting yo save him and wanting to write him off altogether.

If tygra goes to the dark side, I hope he takes the stone and sword. Mummra needs to own someone.

That would crush cheetara if he did that.

I don't think lion-o will write him off, I think he will always try to save him.

Lion-o loves tygra. Only way I think lion-o would write him off is tygra tries to kill cheetara.

[Given2u]

I've reading some interesting things. I will give my 2 cents regarding the characters as far I seen so far:

Wilykit and wilykat- there development will most likely be more down the road in this series, so I can't say much about there characters. This will like figure out the seriousness of their mission to unite the animal clan into one banner.

Panthro- Seemed to be cold at first due the betrayal and has a lot of trouble connecting with everyone due to that. He will most likely open up as the story unfolds. He also seems the vet and strategist

Cheetara- she is the hardest to figure out, not because she is complex, but rather because she pull an 180 at the end with no explaination . I'll get to that in a bit. She seem like an older sister to Leon-O at fist to a possible love interest due to their constant interactions. She was Leon-O pillar of support-to s-- now I don't know.

Leon-O- in the beginning seemed to be a young man that has not come to terms with who he is and what he has to do. Right now he is still immature. It's as if they gave him a gun but he doesn't want it or doesn't know how to use. When is accepts the gun and starts using like, the will have to show him how to aim and shoot properly. We will see how he develop as a mature man--- from a boy to a man.

Tigra- MAN--- WHERE DO I START... From the beginning Tigra came across as a like a narcissist. Taunting Leon-O at everything he does. When we find out what he did when they where kids and then did it again in the Astral Dimension I lost repect for him. I gave the benefit of the doubt but now--- I don't know. Tigra is sure a ingrate-narcissistic bastard. The king pick up his homeless self, raised him as one of his royal son and now he want to kill the heir to the king's throne just because he wants to be king. WHAAAT!!!

The Love Triangle- It seemed to me that at the beginning that there was only a L/C thing going and it seemed that during they thought to make it interesting but they made a mess in the writing and made a lot of fans upset including your truly. I wouldn't have mind the T/C if there was build up during the beginning. A look, and a, a touch, yearning to be with Tigra but there was nothing. She even felt disgust at Tigra when he winked at her and now there in mad in love with one another? I understand that Leon-O was getting a little cocky with Cheettara and he need a lesson but this does not make sense. They could have made more interesting and made so that she would not choose either of them. Not that she choose Tigra there in not triangle, it just T/C. I all thought that legacy was imply the L/C.

Whoever said that the lions are racist because they can only use the SoO is silly. I can see if he/she was refering to the cats towards the lizards. If he/she was refering to Tigers not wielding the SoO is just stupid and it is a true Tigra fan thru and thru.
1. I only respond to Leo's bloodline, thus Leon-O wielding it.
2. There 3 animal who are designated kings. Eagle of he sky, Shark of the sea, Lion of the land. It has always been like that.

P.S. excuse my typos and my mispells. I'm writting fast.

[Chique]

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Originally Posted by Given2u

I've reading some interesting things. I will give my 2 cents regarding the characters as far I seen so far:

Wilykit and wilykat- there development will most likely be more down the road in this series, so I can't say much about there characters. This will like figure out the seriousness of their mission to unite the animal clan into one banner.

Panthro- Seemed to be cold at first due the betrayal and has a lot of trouble connecting with everyone due to that. He will most likely open up as the story unfolds. He also seems the vet and strategist

Cheetara- she is the hardest to figure out, not because she is complex, but rather because she pull an 180 at the end with no explaination . I'll get to that in a bit. She seem like an older sister to Leon-O at fist to a possible love interest due to their constant interactions. She was Leon-O pillar of support-to s-- now I don't know.

Leon-O- in the beginning seemed to be a young man that has not come to terms with who he is and what he has to do. Right now he is still immature. It's as if they gave him a gun but he doesn't want it or doesn't know how to use. When is accepts the gun and starts using like, the will have to show him how to aim and shoot properly. We will see how he develop as a mature man--- from a boy to a man.

Tigra- MAN--- WHERE DO I START... From the beginning Tigra came across as a like a narcissist. Taunting Leon-O at everything he does. When we find out what he did when they where kids and then did it again in the Astral Dimension I lost repect for him. I gave the benefit of the doubt but now--- I don't know. Tigra is sure a ingrate-narcissistic bastard. The king pick up his homeless self, raised him as one of his royal son and now he want to kill the heir to the king's throne just because he wants to be king. WHAAAT!!!

The Love Triangle- It seemed to me that at the beginning that there was only a L/C thing going and it seemed that during they thought to make it interesting but they made a mess in the writing and made a lot of fans upset including your truly. I wouldn't have mind the T/C if there was build up during the beginning. A look, and a, a touch, yearning to be with Tigra but there was nothing. She even felt disgust at Tigra when he winked at her and now there in mad in love with one another? I understand that Leon-O was getting a little cocky with Cheettara and he need a lesson but this does not make sense. They could have made more interesting and made so that she would not choose either of them. Not that she choose Tigra there in not triangle, it just T/C. I all thought that legacy was imply the L/C.

Whoever said that the lions are racist because they can only use the SoO is silly. I can see if he/she was refering to the cats towards the lizards. If he/she was refering to Tigers not wielding the SoO is just stupid and it is a true Tigra fan thru and thru.
1. I only respond to Leo's bloodline, thus Leon-O wielding it.
2. There 3 animal who are designated kings. Eagle of he sky, Shark of the sea, Lion of the land. It has always been like that.

P.S. excuse my typos and my mispells. I'm writting fast.

headesk
No one said Lions were racist.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I am telling you legacy was foreshodowing L/C. I don't think they put that in there for nothing.
13 was to throw everyone off.

I have more hope since it is it is 52. I know I am hopless.

Tygra could get seperated from the gruop and run into puymra, that would be a nice 3 episode arch devoted to him. We know lion-o will get most of the screen time, so why not have T/P in a 3 epiosde arch.

Tygra get seperated from the group, will definitely give him a good character development time, making him see the bigger picture better, of all the brother's feud. Great Idea L08e16o.

Yeah Legacy episode was definitely a hint of Lion-O/Cheetara, it fits Sam Register's JL WB's cartoon show style.

Even though I am only expecting for an open possible pairings conclusion, there is always hope L08e16o, you are not hopeless.

[Given2u]

I may have read wrong. Too lazy to reread posts. If that the case then disregard.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Given2u

The Love Triangle- It seemed to me that at the beginning that there was only a L/C thing going and it seemed that during they thought to make it interesting but they made a mess in the writing and made a lot of fans upset including your truly. I wouldn't have mind the T/C if there was build up during the beginning. A look, and a, a touch, yearning to be with Tigra but there was nothing. She even felt disgust at Tigra when he winked at her and now there in mad in love with one another? I understand that Leon-O was getting a little cocky with Cheettara and he need a lesson but this does not make sense. They could have made more interesting and made so that she would not choose either of them. Not that she choose Tigra there in not triangle, it just T/C. I all thought that legacy was imply the L/C.

Based on various data (the creators comments,the voice actors comments,exec producers comments,etc,etc) and a lot of research that I posted in the previous pages of this thread it is going to the point where Cheetara cannot choose between the brothers, she choose Tygra first but that started to conflict her when she started to know Lion-O, could also be from the past. I have asked a writer friend of mine on this matter from cheetara's prespective, posted it back on this thread, that was what he thought. And this argument also strengthen by the interview I found on the voice actress of Cheetara (again posted it back in the thread)saying that she will go for the highest good of all that are involved and not stirring up the pot even more, thus she will try her best not to hurt either brother's feelings.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Given2u

I may have read wrong. Too lazy to reread posts. If that the case then disregard.

It is always nice to see fresh opinions. no need to disregard it.

[Given2u]

Tigra is such an ingrate. I can stand. His not humble and no his place. This is what annoys me.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Given2u

Tigra is such an ingrate. I can stand. His not humble and no his place. This is what annoys me.

Yeah the writers made Tygra looked bad, especially to Lion-O fans like myself.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Wonder what will happen to Mum-Ra of they give him a love interest
Maybe a twisted version of Mum-Rana from the OS.

Mumm Rana wasn't evil and hated mum-ra. Ma-mutt is the only thing mum-ra loved in the OS

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Mumm Rana wasn't evil and hated mum-ra. Ma-mutt is the only thing mum-ra loved in the OS

I know Mumm rana was't evil in the OS that's why I said a twisted version of Mumm rana

[Big Snarf]

I wonder if they will make pumyra and begali older to balance out the ages on the show because i don't think panthro will be the only adult. To me the writers have done a good job with lion-o and have really messed up tygra

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I know Mumm rana was't evil in the OS that's why I said a twisted version of Mumm rana

oops saw that a little late. It would be interseting to see how they would try to bring her in seeing how mum-ra doesn't appear to have been human in this series and is a space traveler unless she come there to destroy him that would be an interesting fight to see

[stormbringer]

Maybe Mumm-rana's from one of the worlds Mumm-ra attacked/destroyed? Maybe even earth.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

oops saw that a little late. It would be interseting to see how they would try to bring her in seeing how mum-ra doesn't appear to have been human in this series and is a space traveler unless she come there to destroy him that would be an interesting fight to see

Agreed. It will be an epic battle.