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Old 04-01-2012, 02:28 PM   #251
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And the same can be said about tygra. A straight apology from cheetara would settle it. The drama comes when from the others who disobey orders and question his judgement
Lion-O is not a fully developed King. The only way he can grow and develop is if he has people there to challenge him. Also, shouldn't Kings be willing to listen and negotiate? Something about being diplomatic...
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:32 PM   #252
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And the same can be said about tygra. A straight apology from cheetara would settle it. The drama comes when from the others who disobey orders and question his judgement
This is a mix group of adults, teens, and children; not a military squad.

They do have a right to question Lion-O on his decisions, since their lives rest on these decisions.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:00 PM   #253
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This is a mix group of adults, teens, and children; not a military squad.

They do have a right to question Lion-O on his decisions, since their lives rest on these decisions.
there's a line between questioning and ripping apart every decision he makes like Tygra's done this whole series. Not saying Lion O doesn't make mistakes but after all his brother's put him through I don't blame Lion O for snapping when one of the few times Tygra was in the right, and after the fresh wound of Cheetara chosing Tygra both in relationship and in battle over him, then all the others agreeing with him can see where Lion O would have some paranoia. He's hurt and he's seeing as all of them against him. But maybe the trials for Lion O and Tygra watching him die will knock some sense into both brothers.

Lion O did need to get away from them for a little while, seeing them together is just salt in the wound, but leave it to him to go to the extreme of death for a break...
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:12 PM   #254
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At the end of Between Brothers Tygra was ready to accept that Cheetara was not interested in him. If you look at that last scene its obvious he was ready to bow out respectfully.

Cheetara does not owe Lion-O anything. She made it clear that she still supports and cares about him, but she has romantic feelings for Tygra. It's bloody amazing that so many of you feel like she owes him something, yet she's fulfilling her obligations as a Cleric.That is the only thing she owes Lion-O. Just because she was nice to him, it does not mean she wanted more than friendship from him. He effed up by jumping the gun, and now he feels stupid. He's taking all of his frustrations out on the one person whose always believed he has what it takes. Lion-O owes Cheetara a big apology. I'm waiting for her to get sick of his little under the breath comments, and rip him a new one. Nice Guy syndrome is not cool, and I'm beginning to think the crew thinks it is.

After all, what do they say happens when people assume ?
...It makes an a** out of you, and me
Disobeying an order is fulfilling her duties ? Its clear cheetara's actions are saying i hurt tygra's feeling let me apologize but on the other hand i hurt lion-o's feelings as well but so what. And the one person who offered lion-o the most support makes her decision to not support him when he needed her most in battle and in looking for this last stone and now questioning things that previously went unquestioned because a certain someone decides to question it. The person who was willing to kill based on an assumption was tygra an a**'s a**
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:18 PM   #255
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This is a mix group of adults, teens, and children; not a military squad.

They do have a right to question Lion-O on his decisions, since their lives rest on these decisions.
With the exception of kit & kat they are just that. Had that been claudis or jaga leading them in the same fashion as lion-o is now it would be no questions asked. Jaga ordered the clerics to fight to the death in ep 2 and cheetara had no problem then so why now the problem ?
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:19 PM   #256
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Disobeying an order is fulfilling her duties ? Its clear cheetara's actions are saying i hurt tygra's feeling let me apologize but on the other hand i hurt lion-o's feelings as well but so what. And the one person who offered lion-o the most support makes her decision to not support him when he needed her most in battle and in looking for this last stone and now questioning things that previously went unquestioned because a certain someone decides to question it. The person who was willing to kill based on an assumption was tygra an a**'s a**
How did she disobey orders? Because she didn't want to let Tygra be beheaded? Or because she wanted Lion-O to think more before jumping into action? Her job is suppose to be much like Jagga's previous role. She is not only suppose to protect him, but she also has to help advise and guide him.

How do you know her motives are Tygra? Maybe she and the rest of the group are tiered of letting Lion-O run off the first thought he gets. ALL OF THE THUNDERCATS ARE SIMPLY ASKING LION-O TO THINK TWICE. You like Lion-O, are looking at this the wrong way. Like Panthro said, right now Lion-O is is Lion-O's worst enemy.
Lion-O doesn't need a whole group of yes men, he needs people who will speak their minds.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:22 PM   #257
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How did she disobey orders? Because she didn't want to let Tygra be beheaded? Or because she wanted Lion-O to think more before jumping into action? Her job is suppose to be much like Jagga's previous role. She is not only suppose to protect him, but she also has to help advise and guide him.

How do you know her motives are Tygra? Maybe she and the rest of the group are tiered of letting Lion-O run off the first thought he gets. ALL OF THE THUNDERCATS ARE SIMPLY ASKING LION-O TO THINK TWICE. You like Lion-O, are looking at this the wrong way. Like Panthro said, right now Lion-O is is Lion-O's worst enemy.
Lion-O doesn't need a whole group of yes men, he needs people who will speak their minds.
Jagga and Claudus were obviously not new to their roles. Lion-O and Cheetara are both new to this. Lion-O was a slacking prince, and now he is king. Cheetara was just one cleric, but now she's the only one and the adviser to the King.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:23 PM   #258
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With the exception of kit & kat they are just that. Had that been claudis or jaga leading them in the same fashion as lion-o is now it would be no questions asked. Jaga ordered the clerics to fight to the death in ep 2 and cheetara had no problem then so why now the problem ?
Jagga and Claudus were obviously not new to their roles. Lion-O and Cheetara are both new to this. Lion-O was a slacking prince, and now he is king. Cheetara was just one cleric, but now she's the only one and the adviser to the King.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:23 PM   #259
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Another way is that they were playing with Lion-O to get him to lighten up out of moody mode while also throwing a lesson/stating a flaw he needs to work on. However it got cut short before they could explain their actions.

They are based on cats, which are known to play around by stealing food from each other. Cats when playing will also tease, like when trying to pet one and they dash away a few feet. We can't expect them to act completely 100% human.

Maybe the timing and the place was bad, but Lion-O does need training.
That's really not how to snap someone out of a funk. I can understand making jokes to lighten the mood but picking on someone in a poor mood can just be cruel.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:27 PM   #260
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Lion-O is not a fully developed King. The only way he can grow and develop is if he has people there to challenge him. Also, shouldn't Kings be willing to listen and negotiate? Something about being diplomatic...
As I stated previously its not just lion-o in need of lesson but tygra is very much so in need of the lessons as he lacks even the basics diplomacy just look how he relates his opinions and what he thinks of the other animals not very diplomatic at all
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:31 PM   #261
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Disobeying an order is fulfilling her duties ? Its clear cheetara's actions are saying i hurt tygra's feeling let me apologize but on the other hand i hurt lion-o's feelings as well but so what. And the one person who offered lion-o the most support makes her decision to not support him when he needed her most in battle and in looking for this last stone and now questioning things that previously went unquestioned because a certain someone decides to question it. The person who was willing to kill based on an assumption was tygra an a**'s a**
Lion-O was the one who decided on his own to charge the enemy group without any planning or assessment. Cheetara and Tygra tried to plead with him not to choose that course of action, but he chose to not listen to them because of his personal issues with them. So the best they could do was to back him up. They were completely outmatched and overpowered when the time came for the surrender call or Tygra dies, Cheetara in the heat of the moment was forced to make a choice.

Cheetara keeps getting bashed for making that choice to surrender, but what about Lion-O's reckless charge decision, his personal issues affecting his judgment, hotheadedness, and his decision to actually let Tygra die.

The old Lion-O would have surrendered when outmatched and if Tygra was going to die. Even though Tygra would say don't do it. Lion-O would say he couldn't risk losing him. Cheetara would have nodded in agreement. Then Panthro shows up to save them all.

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Jagga and Claudus were obviously not new to their roles. Lion-O and Cheetara are both new to this. Lion-O was a slacking prince, and now he is king. Cheetara was just one cleric, but now she's the only one and the adviser to the King.
Had jaga and claudis survived the destruction of thundera the world outside of thundera would be new to them just the same. To call lion-o a slacking prince wouldn't be accurate at all when all the things he believed in and studied are what kept them alive and he does seem to know how to fight and has some what of a tactical aptitude as shown in ep 12 which was the best call in a hostage situation which no one but tygra question but if this was to happen now in the after ep 13 world it will be questioned now
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After watching the episode again the other Thundercats kind of seem like dicks at lunch. Yes they're giving him sound advice, but only after they bully him and take his food. Food that he had already rightfully obtained for himself. I know Lion-O isn't perfect and can be a dick himself but it just seemed extra cruel. Even if his head wasn't a mess right now who would listen to advice given in suck a backhanded and condescending way?
I saw the lunch taunting as the group playing with Lion-O, and him not getting it, feeling instead that they were all against him. It was childish and the advise was given backandedly, yes, but he has been playing the "I'm the King and things are done my way" card too much the past episodes. They were getting back at him and he was not able to see why.

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Lion-O is angry, confused, jealous, sad, and a few other mix bag of emotions. It's about the same thing a teenager usually goes through with relationship issues. He's still a teenager and not an adult.

Maybe the three of them can settle it, but it won't happen as long Lion-O keeps being a drama queen about it.
Exactly. We were shown the situation from his point of view, and everything they do or say makes him feel all of the above.

It's how the writers justify the trials, I guess.
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As I stated previously its not just lion-o in need of lesson but tygra is very much so in need of the lessons as he lacks even the basics diplomacy just look how he relates his opinions and what he thinks of the other animals not very diplomatic at all
True, but Tygra isn't King.

Tygra still sees the lizards as his enemies. He's still hung up on that genocide thing, and the dead father thing. Lion-O can't even come to an understanding with his own people. He'd rather pull the king card, instead of backing his ideas up with logic.
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Lion-O was the one who decided on his own to charge the enemy group without any planning or assessment. Cheetara and Tygra tried to plead with him not to choose that course of action, but he chose to not listen to them because of his personal issues with them. So the best they could do was to back him up. They were completely outmatched and overpowered when the time came for the surrender call or Tygra dies, Cheetara in the heat of the moment was forced to make a choice.

Cheetara keeps getting bashed for making that choice to surrender, but what about Lion-O's reckless charge decision, his personal issues affecting his judgment, hotheadedness, and his decision to actually let Tygra die.

The old Lion-O would have surrendered when outmatched and if Tygra was going to die. Even though Tygra would say don't do it. Lion-O would say he couldn't risk losing him. Cheetara would have nodded in agreement. Then Panthro shows up to save them all.
The problem though, is that no one had any idea that Panthro was coming.Cheetara was willing to take the word of bloodthirsty killers one of which (Slithe) they've had dealings with before. And it was proven that Cheetara made a very bad call, when a second after her surrender, Lion-o was knocked unconscious, and would have been killed, if not for Panthro.
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Had jaga and claudis survived the destruction of thundera the world outside of thundera would be new to them just the same. To call lion-o a slacking prince wouldn't be accurate at all when all the things he believed in and studied are what kept them alive and he does seem to know how to fight and has some what of a tactical aptitude as shown in ep 12 which was the best call in a hostage situation which no one but tygra question but if this was to happen now in the after ep 13 world it will be questioned now
You don't think Claudus as King has never left Thundera, or had any relations with other nations? That hardly sounds right.

Lion-O got lucky. His duties as prince were not spending all day playing with technology. He was suppose to be in their with Claudus and Tygra, learning how to run the military and guarantee the safety of the people he's suppose to protect.
Oh, so we should go back to the, no one question the king format?
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In all fair and logic if there was no King position to determine leadership, Panthro should be the one to call the shots since he's the most experienced and has the credentials.
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The problem though, is that no one had any idea that Panthro was coming.Cheetara was willing to take the word of bloodthirsty killers one of which (Slithe) they've had dealings with before. And it was proven that Cheetara made a very bad call, when a second after her surrender, Lion-o was knocked unconscious, and would have been killed, if not for Panthro.
Which happened right after, Lion-O made a bad call without having any idea what those two new generals were capable of.
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True, but Tygra isn't King.

Tygra still sees the lizards as his enemies. He's still hung up on that genocide thing, and the dead father thing. Lion-O can't even come to an understanding with his own people. He'd rather pull the king card, instead of backing his ideas up with logic.
Well according to panthro he is king now and he always wanted to be king. It would seem that they can't come to the understanding of what needs to be done so its not on him there. It seem like all of them cheetara and tygra in particular need that in book experience to understand. Lion-o's logic understood there had to be tech and a bigger world past thunderas gates and now they are living it so the question is who had the correct logic, ideology or way of thinking the whole time
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Which happened right after, Lion-O made a bad call that no one had any idea what those two new generals were capable of.
I won't deny that Lion-o should have used sight beyond sight, to see if there were any hidden dangers when he went to free the prisoners. But Lion-o knows that its necessary to unite the animals, and that will take trust. It made sense that he would want to rescue the lizards.
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You don't think Claudus as King has never left Thundera, or had any relations with other nations? That hardly sounds right.

Lion-O got lucky. His duties as prince were not spending all day playing with technology. He was suppose to be in their with Claudus and Tygra, learning how to run the military and guarantee the safety of the people he's suppose to protect.
Oh, so we should go back to the, no one question the king format?
It is clear that is how he ruled. There was not any reason for him to leave as they controlled the best of everything. Slithe's own words were that thunderas wall were virtually impregnable so there is no need for allies. hence the very reason tygra thinks the animals can't be united and why the lizard soldier laughed at the very thought of cats and lizards uniting
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Well according to panthro he is king now and he always wanted to be king. It would seem that they can't come to the understanding of what needs to be done so its not on him there. It seem like all of them cheetara and tygra in particular need that in book experience to understand. Lion-o's logic understood there had to be tech and a bigger world past thunderas gates and now they are living it so the question is who had the correct logic, ideology or way of thinking the whole time
Yes, Tygra is going to be King for a little bit and I'm willing to bet he will falter when he sees all that is expected of Lion-O. It will be a real eye opener.

Now that scene with the captured cats highlights the differences between the two. Tygra DOES think before leaping, and it did manage to save their lives. Now that we've seen him succeed as King, its almost guaranteed that we will see him fail next sat. But that doesn't change the fact that Lion-O still needs to work on being King, and that the others can help him, assuming he takes some advice for once.
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I won't deny that Lion-o should have used sight beyond sight, to see if there were any hidden dangers when he went to free the prisoners. But Lion-o knows that its necessary to unite the animals, and that will take trust. It made sense that he would want to rescue the lizards.
You know those very lizards may be what helps them escape in the upcoming episodes so to let them go to their deaths then would cost the the group their lives later just like before in ep 1
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It is clear that is how he ruled. There was not any reason for him to leave as they controlled the best of everything. Slithe's own words were that thunderas wall were virtually impregnable so there is no need for allies. hence the very reason tygra thinks the animals can't be united and why the lizard soldier laughed at the very thought of cats and lizards uniting
I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean Claudus wouldn't know how to conduct himself . A lot of it has to do with maturity. Lion-O is still pretty young, Claudus at his time of death . I doubt he would make the same choices as a brash 17 year old, thus no one would feel the need to question him much. Even so, do you think he would be so apprehensive of Jagga's advice ? Do you think he would outright refuse to listen to Panthro, just because he as King has the final say? You sound like you want them to listen to Lion-O because Lion-O is King, and not because he is right.
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You know those very lizards may be what helps them escape in the upcoming episodes so to let them go to their deaths then would cost the the group their lives later just like before in ep 1
Makes sense, we saw that the lizard that Lion-o convinced Claudus to free in the series premier, freed Lion-o and Tygra.
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Yes, Tygra is going to be King for a little bit and I'm willing to bet he will falter when he sees all that is expected of Lion-O. It will be a real eye opener.

Now that scene with the captured cats highlights the differences between the two. Tygra DOES think before leaping, and it did manage to save their lives. Now that we've seen him succeed as King, its almost guaranteed that we will see him fail next sat. But that doesn't change the fact that Lion-O still needs to work on being King, and that the others can help him, assuming he takes some advice for once.
It shows the other cats finally do something useful for change. You want to bet if that was lion-o who did what tygra did that the rest would've just stood there while atticus and kaynar beat lion-o into a coma but hey at least he still would've entered the book to learn lessons that his team also needs to learn
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I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean Claudus wouldn't know how to conduct himself . A lot of it has to do with maturity. Lion-O is still pretty young, Claudus at his time of death . I doubt he would make the same choices as a brash 17 year old, thus no one would feel the need to question him much. Even so, do you think he would be so apprehensive of Jagga's advice ? Do you think he would outright refuse to listen to Panthro, just because he as King has the final say? You sound like you want them to listen to Lion-O because Lion-O is King, and not because he is right.
He did when he went after who he thought was panthro. HE also didn't surrender and give up the sword to grune when outnumbered nor trade the sword for who he thought was panthro. The difference is jaga has advice to give while cheetara has none. He also chose to listen to lion-o and not grune when freeing the two lizards. Right now lion-o is the only one who has been in the book and met with jaga so he has an understanding of the basic outline of what needs to be done. The book showed the direction to go now everyone doesn't want to go and if the tank can fly now thats all on panthro
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Yes, Tygra is going to be King for a little bit and I'm willing to bet he will falter when he sees all that is expected of Lion-O. It will be a real eye opener.
I'm hoping for Tygra to see that not all lizards are the enemy and that they can work together. Uniting the animals is, so far, Lion-O's idea and nobody else's. It needs to be everyone's goal, all the TCats need to be convinced that's the way to go to win this war.
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He did when he went after who he thought was panthro. HE also didn't surrender and give up the sword to grune when outnumbered nor trade the sword for who he thought was panthro. The difference is jaga has advice to give while cheetara has none. He also chose to listen to lion-o and not grune when freeing the two lizards. Right now lion-o is the only one who has been in the book and met with jaga so he has an understanding of the basic outline of what needs to be done. The book showed the direction to go now everyone doesn't want to go and if the tank can fly now thats all on panthro
Lion-O's choice was to let them do whatever with Tygra, while he and Cheetara took on Slythe and the monkey. Claudus went after Panthro. Besides Lion-O is SUPPOSE to be Mr.Compassion.
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I'm hoping for Tygra to see that not all lizards are the enemy and that they can work together. Uniting the animals is, so far, Lion-O's idea and nobody else's. It needs to be everyone's goal, all the TCats need to be convinced that's the way to go to win this war.
I'm actually betting this is exactly what will happen.
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I don't think Tygra will take very long in getting the rest of the team captured. Once they get over the next ridge they'll probably be met by Slithe and an entire lizard legion. He may even must that Tygra is even easier to manipulate that Lion-O. Lion-O would have gone back for his comrade, or at least the damn Thundertank, wheres Tygra forges right ahead into Slithe's hands. He didn't even have to threaten to kill anyone.
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Lion-O's choice was to let them do whatever with Tygra, while he and Cheetara took on Slythe and the monkey. Claudus went after Panthro. Besides Lion-O is SUPPOSE to be Mr.Compassion.
As I've stated before had they continue fight kaynor most likely would've jump in to either double team lion-o or cheetara. He may have figure tygra would move seeing that now tygra seem to be able to teleport . Now if that was cladis or jaga who gave that order what would cheetara do ??? If she would've followed their orders why not lion-o's the outcome is seemingly the same
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As I've stated before had they continue fight kaynor most likely would've jump in to either double team lion-o or cheetara. He may have figure tygra would move seeing that now tygra seem to be able to teleport . Now if that was cladis or jaga who gave that order what would cheetara do ??? If she would've followed their orders why not lion-o's the outcome is seemingly the same
Neither of us knows what might have happened. All we do know is that he was willing to keep fighting, Blade at a captured Tygra's neck or not.

We don't know if she would have followed Claudus or Jagga's orders in that situation. Claudus may have been willing to risk Panthro, but I think he would have faltered a bit more if Lion-O or Tygra were in the same situation.

I'm not a 100% sure her feelings got in the way or not, but BF or not, I would be pissed if they all decided to sacrifice Tygra.

I think he's walking while invisible, not teleporting.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:47 PM   #284
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As I've stated before had they continue fight kaynor most likely would've jump in to either double team lion-o or cheetara. He may have figure tygra would move seeing that now tygra seem to be able to teleport . Now if that was cladis or jaga who gave that order what would cheetara do ??? If she would've followed their orders why not lion-o's the outcome is seemingly the same
Two problems with this.

1. Doubtful Cladis or Jaga would have charged reckless into the enemy group without being sure they could take them or some form planning/assessment.

2. Tygra is Cladis son. Adopted, but still his son. Cladis would be in the same boat as Cheetara on this one. Jaga, come on this is one of the royal family here. What is Jaga going to say that he failed to protect one of the Royal Family and allowed Tygra to die to win the fight.

*Snap* Cheetara is a cleric but also serves as a body guard for the Royal Family. So she is inclined to not only protect Lion-O but Tygra also. Her decision wasn't just a personal one but a conflict of duties.

If you are duty bound to protect two princes, one in charge, and in the middle of a fight with no other options the other prince is threaten to be killed unless the group surrenders. The one prince in charge orders to not surrender. What does the body guard do, surrender to save the other prince or let the other prince die?

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Two problems with this.

1. Doubtful Cladis or Jaga would have charged reckless into the enemy group without being sure they could take them or some form planning/assessment.

2. Tygra is Cladis son. Adopted, but still his son. Cladis would be in the same boat as Cheetara on this one. Jaga, come on this is one of the royal family here. What is Jaga going to say that he failed to protect one of the Royal Family and allowed Tygra to die to win the fight.
1. Claudis did do just that in ep 2 when he went after the would be panthro as did jaga when he ordered the clerics to attack mumm-ra. 2 When they say to the death they mean it both claudis and jaga are willing to put their lives on the line would expect the same meaning if either of them were in tygra's situation they would want them to keep fighting
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Neither of us knows what might have happened. All we do know is that he was willing to keep fighting, Blade at a captured Tygra's neck or not.

We don't know if she would have followed Claudus or Jagga's orders in that situation. Claudus may have been willing to risk Panthro, but I think he would have faltered a bit more if Lion-O or Tygra were in the same situation.

I'm not a 100% sure her feelings got in the way or not, but BF or not, I would be pissed if they all decided to sacrifice Tygra.

I think he's walking while invisible, not teleporting.
Walking invisible without his whip . If it were either claudis or jaga facing death they wouldn't want lion-o to stop fighting either and panthro might say any sacrifice is worth the defeat of your enemy if he was there but who knows. The writing is not consistent
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1. Claudis did do just that in ep 2 when he went after the would be panthro as did jaga when he ordered the clerics to attack mumm-ra. 2 When they say to the death they mean it both claudis and jaga are willing to put their lives on the line would expect the same meaning if either of them were in tygra's situation they would want them to keep fighting
Claudis and Jaga had the experience and power to back-up their decisions. The entire city to defend and an army vs. an army situation. No option to retreat.

Much different from a 3 vs. 3 fight with the option to retreat if the fight got to much.

Tygra is just not Tygra, he's also a Royal Prince and next in line for King.

Also what would classic Lion-O do in that fight?

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Walking invisible without his whip . If it were either claudis or jaga facing death they wouldn't want lion-o to stop fighting either and panthro might say any sacrifice is worth the defeat of your enemy if he was there but who knows. The writing is not consistent
What scene are you referring to. He didn't just crack his whip, turn invisible and appear somewhere else?

They wouldnt want Lion-O to do so, but knowing Lion-O what would you expect of him?
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Walking invisible without his whip . If it were either claudis or jaga facing death they wouldn't want lion-o to stop fighting either and panthro might say any sacrifice is worth the defeat of your enemy if he was there but who knows. The writing is not consistent
I find fault with the writing there too.

Lion-O, who is compassion turned into a cat, is willing to give his life for the lizards' freedom but dismisses Tygra's life without batting an eyelash.

Something is incredibly wrong there.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:50 PM   #290
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Looking at the screenshots, there had to have been animation errors on the cuffs. And Kit was drawing herself on the rocks.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:02 PM   #292
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Anyone else think the new Thundertank looks like a big cat humping a little one?

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Old 04-01-2012, 06:05 PM   #293
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I explained the surrender deal... It was a very very bad call. They know Slithe, they could probably guess kaynar and addicus wouldn't be any different so if they surrender, they had no chance to get out of there alive. But if tou fight the worst outcome wouldn't change, but you would have a slight chance to win(in those situations a slight chance is enough to try)

And everybody forgets that Tygra is far more better warrior than Lion-O, even I have enough training to slip through from that situation.

I won't review 15 yet. Next week I'll write about both episodes. But I can say, there is nothing happening that I didn't predict(well maybe lion-o's death.)


P.S. - Claudus, Jaga, Grune, Panthro, Mumm-ra, Cheetara, Tygra, Lion-O, WillyKit, WillyKat, Addicus, Slithe, Kaynar... Please use these names:P or not ... your call actually but these should be the correct names.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:19 PM   #294
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It's all going to come to a head next week. Lion-O overcomes his personal problems, Tygra fails to do any better than Lion-O had previously, Cheetarah learns that folks tend to get the wrong idea when you use flirting techniques to encourage them, Panthro continues to be awesome when he remembers to, and Wilykit will glomp Lion-O at the first opportunity, Wilykat... is her brother, and Snarf will add hilarious animal reaction shots to everything.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:27 PM   #295
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I agree with Lion-O's ideologies of uniting the animals. But the fact remains Tygra is the one that has the most experience with tactics and strategy.
As for advice he's given there was the time he told Lion-O in episode 12 that they should take the tank as backup. and In the last episode he said it was too dangerous to try to try to free the lizards (which it did turn out to be).

It isn't so much that I think Tygra is always right, because I don't. But Lion-O does ignore any advice any of the others give him. He wouldn't even listen to Panthro (who is an experienced General) in episode 5 when he told Lion-O to wait til night and sneak in the mine.

Anyway my point was that I think Tygra would respect Lion-O more if he at least took a few minutes to consider his and everyone else's advice instead of rushing into things.
As always, very well said. And I have no doubt that as a result of the Trials, Lion-O will learn that being King and boldly proclaiming such does not earn him the respect the title deserves, but demonstrating the ability to accept counsel and lay one's life down for his people will.

At the end of it, he'll know that uniting the animals will begin with uniting with Tygra and the rest of the team by doing the things they need to see that will gain their respect. I look forward to watching the episode in which he begins that process.
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Just watched this ep, and I have to say they should really clarify things. I mean it may be fine for kids who don't understand what being led on means but to someone older like me its annoying. 1st of all why did spirit Cheetara give him hope? If they were meant to be together why didn't the writers just let them be happy instead of her going for Tygra out of the blue. 2nd whats up with the thundercats being so weak all of a sudden, I mean for one thing Cheetara (again for no reason) just stood there along with everyone else while the kitten girl was being threatened, and when Lion-O fell everyone was just like "oh he died, you killed him...". Lastly, Lion-O seems to learn his lessons really quick, I hope the writers make them stick with him after his resurrected, and not let him revert to being immature and emotional as he follows the trail of happy faces on the stones .

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Claudis and Jaga had the experience and power to back-up their decisions. The entire city to defend and an army vs. an army situation. No option to retreat.

Much different from a 3 vs. 3 fight with the option to retreat if the fight got to much.

Tygra is just not Tygra, he's also a Royal Prince and next in line for King.

Also what would classic Lion-O do in that fight?
In the case of claudis it wasn't an army vs army because slithe took out the thunderian army by blowing up the bridge but claudis still went after who he thought was panthro. Jaga knowing that mum-ra is powerful sent the clerics in to attack and mumm-ra took all of them out with one move. All their power and ability added up to naught but they fought to the end anyway. As for the 3 vs 3 it was fight or die or surrender and be killed. What would OS lion-o do? You might want ask what OS tygra & cheetara would've done in that fight and it won't be what we saw last week thats for sure
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What scene are you referring to. He didn't just crack his whip, turn invisible and appear somewhere else?

They wouldnt want Lion-O to do so, but knowing Lion-O what would you expect of him?
The scene at the end after cheetara breaks his cuffs he appears out of no were to punch i think it was atticus. So either just teleported or made hiself visable but he didn't have his whip
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Another way is that they were playing with Lion-O to get him to lighten up out of moody mode while also throwing a lesson/stating a flaw he needs to work on. However it got cut short before they could explain their actions.

They are based on cats, which are known to play around by stealing food from each other. Cats when playing will also tease, like when trying to pet one and they dash away a few feet. We can't expect them to act completely 100% human.

Maybe the timing and the place was bad, but Lion-O does need training.
Unfortunately, the show is made for human viewers who will use human norms to interpret the characters.

Plus, even if it was a lesson, it's still a dick move. There's a difference between teaching people something and basically taunting them.

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I saw the lunch taunting as the group playing with Lion-O, and him not getting it, feeling instead that they were all against him. It was childish and the advise was given backandedly, yes, but he has been playing the "I'm the King and things are done my way" card too much the past episodes. They were getting back at him and he was not able to see why.
Maybe if they were so capable, they should use Sight beyond sight to see where to go next. Oh wait, they can't -_-... I'm just going to say this, don't argue with the guy with the mystical macguffin who's inexplicably giving him visions/advice from the beyond. It generally never ends well.

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You don't think Claudus as King has never left Thundera, or had any relations with other nations? That hardly sounds right.

Lion-O got lucky. His duties as prince were not spending all day playing with technology. He was suppose to be in their with Claudus and Tygra, learning how to run the military and guarantee the safety of the people he's suppose to protect.
Oh, so we should go back to the, no one question the king format?
Just going to put this out on the table. Thundera under generations of leaders like Claudus and Tygra ended up falling to the enemies it made BECAUSE of leaders like Claudus and Tygra. I think Lion-O is actually the king the cats need right now, a peacemaker rather than a warmaker.

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Which happened right after, Lion-O made a bad call without having any idea what those two new generals were capable of.
I'm going to have to go back to what I've been saying previously. There is NO WAY the cats should have lost except by author fiat. They've got tons of special abilities on their side, a tank and a frigging guy with robot arms etc etc and they lost to 3 normal animals. Granted, the 3 animals are unique NPCs but I would consider the cats to all be consider unique characters as well.


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Also what would classic Lion-O do in that fight?
Probably charge in, have the rest of the cats help him and then still win. It was the 80s -_- It was kinda hard if not impossible for heroes to lose back then
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In the case of claudis it wasn't an army vs army because slithe took out the thunderian army by blowing up the bridge but claudis still went after who he thought was panthro. Jaga knowing that mum-ra is powerful sent the clerics in to attack and mumm-ra took all of them out with one move. All their power and ability added up to naught but they fought to the end anyway. As for the 3 vs 3 it was fight or die or surrender and be killed. What would OS lion-o do? You might want ask what OS tygra & cheetara would've done in that fight and it won't be what we saw last week thats for sure
I think the OS Lion-o, Tygra, and Cheetara would've mopped the floor with those 3.
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