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That scene in Trials was probably the one I had the most problem with outside of LionO's tricking the generals so easily. Mumm-Ra makes a statement along the lines that he is all powerful in his temple than Lion-O hits him once and he runs off crying.... The generals; my issue was the three were able to get the upper hand on L/C/T in New Alliances and were able to ambush and capture ALL the Thundercats in Trials pt1 but fresh off his return from the dead, Lion-O manages to outsmart them....Just seemed kinda hoaky to me. |
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I sort of see Tygra as being the most fitting to be a traitor. He still seems to harbor too much darkness in his heart. He still seems overly jealous of Lion-O. He hails from a clan known for being traitors (and the crew does seem to be aiming for a history repeats itself motif in many ways). Grune was his idol. Mumm-Ra knows that Tygra resents Lion-O. I just keep getting the feeling the season cliffy might be Mumm-Ra swaying Tygra to his side. |
I had a few problems with this episode. Not really "writing" per se, but some things that strain logic. First, the idea that wiping out an entire galaxy would only destroy two planets that support life that only orbit a single star is kinda bogus. Surely there would be more than two in an entire galaxy. Secondly...why in the name of Thundera would Mumm-ra need a SWORD when he has a bomb that can reduce an entire galaxy to a glob of metal???? It seems to me that he already has a weapon more powerful than his stupid sword. That'd be like Emperor Palpatine claiming he needs a new lightsaber even though he has the Death Star at his beckon call.
And now for a problem I had with the writing. Since Lion-O refused to fight Pumyra in the Pit, she treated him with a great deal of respect in the last episode, even going so far as to throw that flirty "Maybe you should move on to another cat" line. Then, in THIS episode, she goes back to being bitchy, snarky, and all around rude up until the end. Tell me, do the writers watch the previous episodes? Or is Pumyra just supposed to be bipolar? And to throw in my two cents about Cheetara. At first, I was like many of you, ie. ticked off that she was "in love" with Tygra after throwing all those signals at Lion-O. She then said that she was sticking close to him to help him reach his destiny, blah blah. I wasn't buying it at first, but now that I think on it...Lion-O's essentially a young man, probably just out of his teens if not still in them. What better way for a girl with nice curves to push a guy into following the path laid out before him? She doesn't exactly have Jaga's talent for...well, talking and making Lion-O listen...so she has to work with what she's got. But I think that her confidence in her cleric abilities and duties has fallen since the "everything's changed" bit, so she really needs an episode to get herself back up and on the job. Where's the spirit of Jaga when you need him? |
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Mumm-Ra had some good lines in this one:
"Your ancestor sought to destroy me! I'm still here, where is he?" and then when he blasts Pumyra unconscious: "Quiet woman...we're talking." Great stuff. |
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Anyway I wasn't saying it absolved Tygra of all guilt in the matter. I was saying that his PoV is understandable. |
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Anyway having something that can blow up a galaxy is fine and all, but what if your goal isn't just to destroy everything in sight? Different weapons for different purposes. |
Galaxy was just a wee bit excessive on the writers part though.
My biggest problem with how the Tygra Cheetara relationship has been handled is that in effect all Cheetara seems to have become is another issue between Lion-O and Tygra. Be nice if they let her have some character of her own that didn't revolve around the boys. I was honestly figuring on Lion-O/Cheetara, but Tygra and Cheetara doesn't drive me crazy. I'm more bothered by the fact Tygra and Lion-O's relationship doesn't seem to go anywhere. That is to say Tygra never seems to get over his jelousy of Lion-O, and Lion-O never gets to surpass Tygra. The writers probably think their going to be able to milk it for drama, but if they wait too long it'll ring hollow, and any victory Lion-O gets over Tygra will feel like a fluke. Loin-O will be the Mole! Who'd see that coming? More serously though, they might pull something with Pumrya. In TOS Mumm-Ra did once disguise himself as Pumm-Ra. Kinda hope they keep her though. I got a soft spot for her bieng used so little in TOS. Damn Shipping. Makes everyone crazy. Damn love triangles. I always get them wrong. |
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You are not alone in your problems with Ty/Chee. Seems that is the biggest issue fans have with the show moreso than anything else. Lol, yeah shipping can get pretty serious. If the triangle is done right, it works great. if it is done wrong... well, just look at this reboot. |
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That is a matter of opinion. What I've seen more than anything else on TCL is a particular group of Tygrashipping people basically trolling the board and whenever anyone comments something that group doesn't like, they go into a feeding frenzy that puts piranha to shame. What I see here thus far is the fish all seem to have an equal chance to swim in the pond. |
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They said that the few episodes would be dedicated to Pumyra with the Pit, Curse of Ratilla, and Birth of the Blade. Forever Bag should focus on the twins. I think Cheetara will have character moments in the final three episodes of the season and I don't expect Pumyra to be getting the focus in those final three episodes like she is now with these.
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LOL, that's why I said from what I've seen. I am well aware things can change on boards quite quickly. All that to say, I still find this board to be a tad more impartial for lack of a better word. |
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That is a very well thought statement and I can't agree with you more. Hopefully, comments like yours get to the TC staff and give them pause to think about the direction of the show and characters. |
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You never know. The staff might have anticipated a negative reaction to the events of the season finale and subsequent episodes and toned down the character to try to avoid adding any fuel to the fire. Or, that interview I watched from Wondercon where Daniel Norton and others were "joking" about Cheetara calling her an anorexic ho with arthritis and a bood job wasn't meant in jest at all and they really do think that low of her character. IDK. |
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Yeah, the comments from Dan Norton and others did leave a bad taste in the mouths of many fans. The show might have had better viewer numbers if the staff didn't publicly bash the characters. It just takes away their credibility. |
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I didn't say you shared it. I just said it's a dumb reason either way.
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Having a weapon that can blow up a galaxy is a perfectly fine weapon. You do that, tell the people you're planning to invade what you can do and that you will do it to eliminate rebellion. Despite what movies like Star Wars would have you think, fear is a very powerful deterrent. Since I haven't been able to rewatch some of these, could someone explain all these "characterization regressions"? |
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This episode was mostly Lion-O and Pumyra in comparison to last week when it was 5 Thundercats sans the missing twins and Snarf.
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What the heck was up with the part where Mumm-Ra made that pillar that Pumyra was tied to fall and then Lion-O jumped down to saver her and she wasn't tied to it anymore??? They got lazy hahaha.
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we have no confirmed life because we can't scout that far -_- That's like the old saying, a single frog in a well thinks its the only thing alive in the universe because it can't see outside the well
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I am more curious about how the whole "only lions can be kings" bloodline thing started, because obviously, Leo's love was not a lion. Probably as time passed, myths and legends obscured the role Panthera played in the rebellion, placing all glory on Leo and thus the lions? Also, I'd like to learn just how long ago was it that the ship crashed... since everyone forgot about Mumm-Ra's pyramid. Quote:
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You can still be fond of pets even if you think they're below humans though. My main point is that MummRa seems fond of Leo, even if he's willing to kill him. Ie. Leo is not random mook to him. We haven't seen him be that way to any of his new generals yet.
Hmm, Grune was a traitor. I wonder why they forgot about him during that speech. Did Grune not register on Mumm-ras mind or maybe Grune didn't manage to forsake emotion for power. I suspect when Mumm-ra says power, he means cold logic/order/power and people who use emotional feelings to fight and decide stuff like the tigers, cats, grune are below him. Hence his whole emphasis on bringing 'order' to chaos. |
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This is a cartoon, what happens will happen because it's written that way. It's pretty stupid to argue that you'd like things to have a different outcome in an OFFICAL story. If you want that, write a fanfic, but it won't change the official media. I much prefer to discuss what happened in a show than what people would like to happen in a show. That's for fanfics. |
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Lion-O's mother was a LION. Pumyra is a PUMA (Cougar, as you americans call them). |
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Okay, this episode is a perfect example of everything that is wrong, and everything that is right with this show. It was a lot of fun to watch, but it was RIDDLED with plot-holes, character inconsistencies, and just plain not doing the damn research.
1. The galaxy thing. The writers are clearly morons who didn't do the most basic scientific research on what a galaxy versus a solar system is. They continuously call what they're destroying a galaxy, and the animation depicts a galaxy, yet every single time they describe it, they are describing a SOLAR SYSTEM. They need to destroy one star which supports ten planets, three of which have life on them. That is a SOLAR SYSTEM. Destroying one star would not even come CLOSE to producing enough energy to destroy a galaxy. The difference in scale is so huge as to be meaningless. Also, as others have pointed out, if he can destroy galaxies, he doesn't need a sword. Full stop. 2. What the hell happened to Pumyra? I'm actually glad she regressed, because I think she was too nice too fast last episode, but unfortunately in light of last episode, she just comes off as schizophrenic for no reason. -On a somewhat separate note, I'm completely with Pumyra as far as the slaves go. Does no one among the thundercats even care about their people? Greater good or no, they just kept ignoring her points about the slaves and side-stepping the issue. I get the whole 'good of the many' thing, but when the few in question is most of your species, then that's not quite few enough to sacrifice them for the many. 3. Was anyone in the episode actually seeing the flashbacks? It seems like they actually had nothing to do with the plot. In Legacy, Lion-o was experiencing the flashbacks. But in this, other than a sense of death and destruction, I'm not sure Lion-o, or anyone in the story, was actually aware of the flashbacks. 4. Really? They tried splitting up? Splitting up NEVER works in media. EVER. And Lion-o actually gave the weapon the demon-creature wanted to a girl who had absolutely no way of defending against said demon-creature if he caught up to her? That was just a dumb scene. All that aside, it was still pretty fun, so I guess whatever. On a side note, anyone else think we may have just seen the hammer of thundera? |
apparently adult female cats tend to be bipolar. Just saying, based on the 2 in-show examples we have >_>
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Ease back on your estrogen pills BB, your getting a bit tempermental. |
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