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[Pravus Prime]

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

Since it seems that many posters on this board are very anti-Cheetara, I am expecting to get a lot of grief over my post. Still, it is my opinion and I thought I would post it anyway.

Wouldn't be much of a discussion board if everyone stayed quiet against any dissenting opinion.

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

Cheetara sided with Tygra, but I don't think it is because they are a couple. She knew it was a dangerous move because the lizards weren't willing to unite with the TC and they were still a threat. She has sided with Lion-O over Tygra many times and I think she will take the side of whoever has the opinion that she believes in for that instance. Lion-O was quite immature by reacting that way to her objection to attack. Here is is talking about unity and then he goes and starts a battle that he is outnumbered for and he put himself in danger. After Cheetara and Tygra joined him in the fight, they were still at a disadvantage because Addicus and Kaynar fight dirty and relentlessly for no other satisfaction than shedding blood. Lion-O let his emotions get the best of him.

Disagree on many of those points.

First of all, every battle is a danger. Otherwise it is routing. Secondly, it's hard to call his engagement that foolish; with the gauntlet and the sword the lizards don't possess anything that can match him. Lion-O didn't know that Slithe, Monkian, and Jackalman were there waiting to show themselves.

Secondly, while Lion-O entered the fight partly driven by his irratation, he also did so to maintain the line he had drawn since the first episode, that the lizards were an oppressed people who deserve a chance at peace. For him to do nothing would show that he only enforces the view when it's convenient.

While Cheetara has disagreed with Lion-O in the past (such as in Ramaluk), this is the first time we see her not as trying to aide Lion-O but defy him, not once, but twice.

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

The lizards were fighting under Mumm-Ra because they were forced into being soldiers. The new generals love war and are motivated to kill. This makes them far more dangerous. Kaynar got Tygra in a position where his life was in danger. The choice was given: surrender or Tygra is dead. Cheetara threw down her staff and tried to buy him some time. Lion-O wanted to keep fighting, even if Tygra's life would have been lost. When she said "I need to stick with him" I think she said that because they were acting like a team, unified and looking out for one another; Lion-O was acting like a rogue without any regard for the unity he so desperately wants. I don't think it had anything to do with them being a couple but rather it was acting unified as a team. She wasn't willing to have a teammate killed over a poor decision not to admit they were defeated. Panthro and his new arms and suped up new ThunderTank saved the day.

The lizards joined Mumm-Ra to survive, the TCats had been oppressing them for generations, leaving them only barely able to survive.

Cheetara truly defied Lion-O and would've gotten the group killed. End of story. Her surrendering didn't buy time, it put them all to death. Panthro showing up was not something she knew was coming and was trying to hold out for, she was trying to save her boyfriend and lost sight of the goals. Had Panthro arrived 10 minutes later, they'd all be dead. Lion-O's refusal to surrender was the right call, they have to keep fighting or it's over for them.

Which is the essence of the problem; while as mentioned she isn't Lion-O's blind supporter, everything she did was in support of him until the last bit, where suddenly she is a new character, openly defying him, antagonizing him, and putting the group at risk because she's got a new boy toy.

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

I believe that the Lion-O supporters will see Cheetara even more negatively than they already had. She and Tygra had some sweet moments in the beginning. Lion-O tried to wish them well, but told Cheetara that he hadn't meant it and that he was confused and thought their was something between them. She explained that she still does support him and believe in him and that Jaga had asked her to watch over him. She feels that nothing between them has changed except that her heart belongs to someone else. He said that it changes everything and walked away from her. I thought he felt betrayed, but I think she did too. He sees her differently now that he knows they won't be romantically involved? I think she felt just a betrayed as he did.

Wow.

Sweet moments? Try extremely poorly written forced flashback trying to justify the heel face turn Cheetara's about to commit.

They are writing Cheetara as a different character at this point from before and they know it.

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

She supported Lion-O on every mission except the one where he wanted to charge a group of lizards that they had already bested and set free, but who rejoined Mumm-Ra's army anyway. To question her loyalty is ridiculous. She has proven it time and time again.

Rejoined Mumm-Ra's Army? Being in restraints being led at gunpoint is rejoining?

Again, she didn't support Lion-O in Ramalak. All it takes is one blatant betrayal to make every prior occurance of loyalty meaningless, which we got in this episode when she threw down her staff.

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Originally Posted by bronwynn

I also believe that if Cheetara had told Tygra to take a hike and had given her heart to Lion-O that many posters would defend her actions and have a completely different opinion of her. I think that many fans wanted a Lion-O/Cheetara ship and, that not being the direction that the show has taken, fans have turned against Cheetara and are comparing her with the enemy. I think that is over the top and I hate that a strong female character is ultimately defined by her ship rather than her own actions.

Just my two sense. I know the backlash is coming.

Strong female character? Really? How?

Also, let's say Cheetara did choose Lion-O. And when Tygra was captured tossed down her staff and surrendered. I wouldn't feel any different, she betrayed the team and would still be a terrible character.

Honestly, most of the cats are pretty poor characters for that matter.

Actually, to be entirely honest, I probably won't be debating this any further, to do so would require more passion for this series then I feel the staff making the series have put into these episodes. Personally I find it astonishing how they could've gone from such a strong introduction and early episodes to the point where the series is just bland to the point of indifference.

(Lastly, Grammar Nazi; It's cents, as in currency, not sense, as in feel.)