They say a TCats will betray lion-o, who will it be

[L08e16o]

Tygra would be the best.

I have said, tygra needs to be away from Lion-o to grow. We can get back to them fighting. I really want to see lion-o beat tygra.

I am thinking it will be pumyra.

[Burning Bright]

Sorry, I haven't been in anyway fastidious on checking about things that haven't first appeared on this board (other than local TV airing and DVD releases). When and from whom was this stated?

Setting that aside, I am in agreement with your thought on this hypothetical situation. Pumyra's defining trait in the NS is taking action as soon as it is possible, without thought for its consequences. Even if it's unintentional (actually, especially if it's unintentional) she seems most likely to do so right now.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Burning Bright

Sorry, I haven't been in anyway fastidious on checking about things that haven't first appeared on this board (other than local TV airing and DVD releases). When and from whom was this stated?

Setting that aside, I am in agreement with your thought on this hypothetical situation. Pumyra's defining trait in the NS is taking action as soon as it is possible, without thought for its consequences. Even if it's unintentional (actually, especially if it's unintentional) she seems most likely to do so right now.

I saw it on TC.org. I am sure Balgus saw it too. There are two videos too.

I need to edit the thread title. I was hoping for a twist, but it seems that vultureman is an ally and looks like he is the one who will betray them.

They have so many chances to make this great, but that was so easy to see. Having a cat betray them would've been great, but they go for the easy one.

[L08e16o]

How do you edit the thread title?

I need to take out TCats.

[Kregermeister]

Since this is a most likely a series finally, its probably gunna end of a clifhanger and really suck to end on that note.

[AlexofThundera]

I just saw the preview images and videos. You can see Lion-O, Pumyra, Tygra, Snarf, and Panthro, but no Cheetara or the kittens. I highly doubt the kittens would be involved in any kind of betrayal which leaves Cheetara. Honestly I don't see it being a Thundercat but someone they've met along the way. The plot synopsis says "A Trusted Ally".

The Lizards and Mummra get to Avista city which means someone must have informed them of everything. I am thinking the kittens took the Feliner down to get help from someone (the trusted ally) and that someone in turn tells Mummra.

[monothingie]

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Originally Posted by AlexofThundera

I just saw the preview images and videos. You can see Lion-O, Pumyra, Tygra, Snarf, and Panthro, but no Cheetara or the kittens. I highly doubt the kittens would be involved in any kind of betrayal which leaves Cheetara. Honestly I don't see it being a Thundercat but someone they've met along the way. The plot synopsis says "A Trusted Ally".

The Lizards and Mummra get to Avista city which means someone must have informed them of everything. I am thinking the kittens took the Feliner down to get help from someone (the trusted ally) and that someone in turn tells Mummra.

They went down on the boards and left the Feliner in part one. Im thinking Pumyra. One because it's predictable and two because she is there lying unconscious in the Mumra Fight scene.

[AlexofThundera]

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Originally Posted by monothingie

They went down on the boards and left the Feliner in part one. Im thinking Pumyra. One because it's predictable and two because she is there lying unconscious in the Mumra Fight scene.

She was my first choice as the betrayer as well but aside from showing her on the floor they also show her using a cannon to "presumably" shoot down the lizards (which is why I ended up not choosing her).

She could very well be shooting at the birds though.

[englishw]

Didn't Lion-O learn that Tygra would betray him earlier in the series? I'm a little hazy, so I'm not remembering the exact episode...

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Tygra would be the best.

I have said, tygra needs to be away from Lion-o to grow. We can get back to them fighting. I really want to see lion-o beat tygra.

I am thinking it will be pumyra.

Tygra betraying Lion-O, they already have the bases for that back in 13, it will be the best. Tygra's "private cheerleader" will probably "betray" Lion-O again following her Tygra. Practically Cheetara already "betrayed" Lion-O too with her "fake actions" back then.

Though I think Pumyra will be the one for the betrayal. In any case MJ likes "torturing" Lion-O's "love life".

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[hollowdheart]

I'm thinking either Pumyra, Tygra or Cheetara.....Vultureman isn't a "trusted ally" at all. They just met like one episode ago.

[SirSapphire]

In the preview they don't say that it would be a cat at all, just a "trusted ally." I know that's playing Devil's Advocate a bit, but still.

It's also possible that they're making this "betrayal" out to be bigger than it actually is (sort of like what happened in "Between Brothers). It may be nothing more than Pumyra abandoning her post to go after the tech stone again (which seems likely based on the preview).

[fuukonomiko]

It's the Berbils. Don't tell me you didn't see that coming. There's always got to be something behind the cuteness!!!

*insert maniacal berbil laughter here*

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by hollowdheart

I'm thinking either Pumyra, Tygra or Cheetara.....Vultureman isn't a "trusted ally" at all. They just met like one episode ago.

I agree.

How could he be a trusted ally. You have to build the trust to be a trusted ally. But I think it will be Vultaire. If it is Vultaire, then this is no twist or surprise. We know he was going to be a villian at some point.

If it is a cat, I will say good job MJ. If it is Vultaire, then I will be more dissappointed.

[hollowdheart]

I'd rather it not be Pumyra. It'd just make another stereotype about women who act the way she does.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by fuukonomiko

It's the Berbils. Don't tell me you didn't see that coming. There's always got to be something behind the cuteness!!!

*insert maniacal berbil laughter here*

Maniacal berbil laughter I could only imagine what that'll sound like

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree.

How could he be a trusted ally. You have to build the trust to be a trusted ally. But I think it will be Vultaire. If it is Vultaire, then this is no twist or surprise. We know he was going to be a villian at some point.

If it is a cat, I will say good job MJ. If it is Vultaire, then I will be more dissappointed.

Too early to call Vultaire a trusted ally yet, though by MJ's logic anything goes. Still again MJ uses "betrayal" for a "Season Finale", if this keep on repeating for every season finale it gets old. Provided there will be a next season.

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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by hollowdheart

I'd rather it not be Pumyra. It'd just make another stereotype about women who act the way she does.

Maybe she takes it when lion-o and mummra are fighting. That brings the city down and that is what turns Vultaire against the cats (he didn't see it).

I think tygra would be better, but MJ won't do that.

They said she will be with them for a bit. Maybe that is what cause her to leave.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Too early to call Vultaire a trusted ally yet, though by MJ's logic anything goes. Still again MJ uses "betrayal" for a "Season Finale", if this keep on repeating for every season finale it gets old. Provided there will be a next season.

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Agree.

Well, he did shock us with episode 13. I am hoping he shocks us again and not do the easy way out (Vultaire).

[hollowdheart]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Agree.

Well, he did shock us with episode 13. I am hoping he shocks us again and not do the easy way out (Vultaire).

Didn't Paul Giacappo write 12 and 13?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by hollowdheart

Didn't Paul Giacappo write 12 and 13?

Yes he did.

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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by hollowdheart

Didn't Paul Giacappo write 12 and 13?

Yes.

Remember the writer has to form around MJ direction.

[Big Snarf]

I wonder how quickly lion-o beats mumm-ra this time

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I wonder how quickly lion-o beats mumm-ra this time

In two minutes.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

In two minutes.

Probably 0.0000005 seconds flat, faster than The Flash blinks. MJ needs to make Tygra shine afterall, it's his "daily needs".

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[Balgus82]

It'll either be Vultaire (he was fighting alongside the cats in the previews), or Dobo IMO.

[hollowdheart]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

It'll either be Vultaire (he was fighting alongside the cats in the previews), or Dobo IMO.

But how are either of them trusted ally's? Dobo isn't anyone's ally, and Vultaire doesn't even like them.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by hollowdheart

But how are either of them trusted ally's? Dobo isn't anyone's ally, and Vultaire doesn't even like them.

It would be weak if it was one them.

I think if they want to get people going (interested) again, a cat betraying lion-o would be great.

Pumyra coming up from behind on lion-o when he is fighting mummra and KOIng him and she leaves with mummra. That would be a great cliff hanger.

[Kregermeister]

Id die laughing if its Snarf. He just pulls out the sword of Snarfs with the other stone in it and goes to town. Id actually enjoy that.

[hollowdheart]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It would be weak if it was one them.

I think if they want to get people going (interested) again, a cat betraying lion-o would be great.

Pumyra coming up from behind on lion-o when he is fighting mummra and KOIng him and she leaves with mummra. That would be a great cliff hanger.

It would upset Pumyra, Lion-o and P/L fans though. And Lion-o would once again be betrayed (for real this time) by a girl he likes.

[Burning Bright]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Pumyra coming up from behind on lion-o when he is fighting mummra and KOIng him and she leaves with mummra. That would be a great cliff hanger.

I can see this quite easily with the parts of her character that are consistent.

Pumyra: "You'll follow through with what we agreed? I get you the book and the stones and the cats will rule over the animals again, right?"

Mumm-Ra: "Yes, my dear."

[hollowdheart]

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Originally Posted by Burning Bright

I can see this quite easily with the parts of her character that are consistent.

Pumyra: "You'll follow through with what we agreed? I get you the book and the stones and the cats will rule over the animals again, right?"

Mumm-Ra: "Yes, my dear."

It does sound consistent. But she can't possibly be that naive. Though the Cats (i assume) did rule over the others when Leo was in Mumm-Ra's service.

[Big Snarf]

So where is cheetara when all the fighting is going down? Is she standing somewhere screaming "yeah go tygra " ?

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by Burning Bright

I can see this quite easily with the parts of her character that are consistent.

Pumyra: "You'll follow through with what we agreed? I get you the book and the stones and the cats will rule over the animals again, right?"

Mumm-Ra: "Yes, my dear."

That would seem to be the attitude of tygra and cheetara as well. So far only lion-o the twins and panthro(berbils # 1 fan ) have shown they care about the other animals.

[hollowdheart]

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So where is cheetara when all the fighting is going down? Is she standing somewhere screaming "yeah go tygra " ?

Probably. Seems like she's always away, cheering him on, or kissing him at unnecessary times.

[Sining]

My first choices
1) Pumyra - simply because of the way she's acted the past few episodes, she is the best choice for the well-intentioned extremist villain.
2) Cheetara - ANY character development (including villainous ones) is better than NO development -_- If Cheetara does turn out to be a traitor, I hope this will be what we need to jolt her character.
3) Tygra - Eh, the obvious choice really. A bit too obvious if you ask me. But it would fit in with some previous episodes dialogues.
4) The kitkats - Mumm-ra drives up in a white van and offers them candy and a map to El Dora. No, can't see this happening either
5) Panthro - If this happens, someone should flip table. Panthro's becoming the butt monkey of the show and him betraying the cats again just doesn't make sense.

Why I hope it's a cat that betrays Lion-O? Because of all the build up to it. In S1, we learn Lion-O will experience a betrayal from his brother like none he's ever known and nothing came of it. In s2, we have the ominous line from Mumm-ra asking 'will you be the FIRST of your kind to forsake compassion from power' as well as all that stuff about how your lineage/nature plays a huge role into your character. This could be indicating BOTH pumyra and tygra. We've seen Pumyra has no issues forsaking others for the sake of the 'greater good', except where does this greater good end? You could say Mumm-ra thinks of himself as working for the greater good as well since he wants to bring order to a lawless universe. Granted the order will be born from fire and blood but hey Pumyra was willing to drop an entire city of birds from the sky.

As for Tygra, we've had all that build-up about how people can't change their nature and how he will betray/has betrayed Lion-O.

[vantheman77]

If it turns out to be Pumyra, then that means she was never a member of the Thundercats and it wouldn't surprise me given how she's extreme in one way and extreme in another for the last several episodes. I could also see Tygra betraying Lion-O as well. It could be either Tygra or Pumyra. Whichever one of them betrays Lion-O will likely replace Grune.

[SirSapphire]

If Pumyra is working for Mumm-Ra why did he try to kill her like three times (he even tried to eat her!)? You'd think that would be a deal-breaker.

[Sining]

Mumm-ra is the kind of guy who tells his most trusted right-hand man Leo that 'hey, i would hate to have to kill you but I would', let alone some 2-bit puma.

plus there's nothing to say she only just starts working for Mumm-ra in this episode.

[SirSapphire]

Call me crazy but I'm not inclined to work with someone who tried to murder me multiple times. Hostile work environment and all that.

[monothingie]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Maybe she takes it when lion-o and mummra are fighting. That brings the city down and that is what turns Vultaire against the cats (he didn't see it).

I think tygra would be better, but MJ won't do that.

They said she will be with them for a bit. Maybe that is what cause her to leave.

Seriously Tygra? At this point just let it go.

[Sining]

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Originally Posted by SirSapphire

Call me crazy but I'm not inclined to work with someone who tried to murder me multiple times. Hostile work environment and all that.

well, you're obviously not the type of person galaxy-murdering villains like to recruit then. But then you're also probably not bipolar

[vantheman77]

The traitor could be someone among the cavalry that Wilykit and Wilykat brought with them to the bird city.

[Captn Cracka]

I know people seem to think he is not a trusted ally but I would have to say Vultaire will be the one to betray Lion-O. I know it's not a twist but who said there had to be a twist? The Thundercats and the Birds are in a war against the lizards from what we can see in the preview. They are fighting side by side which would make the Birds and Vultaire allies. Doesn't mean it can't leave a cliff hanger somewhere else within the story. The other possibility i would say is that they believe Pumyra betrayed them only to find out it was Vultaire later on.

[Tracer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I saw it on TC.org. I am sure Balgus saw it too. There are two videos too.

I need to edit the thread title. I was hoping for a twist, but it seems that vultureman is an ally and looks like he is the one who will betray them.

They have so many chances to make this great, but that was so easy to see. Having a cat betray them would've been great, but they go for the easy one.

SO it is now truly the Lando on Cloud City story. Hope Lion-o doesn't lose a hand and Tygra doesn't get frozen in carbonite.

[vantheman77]

There were two betrayals after watching the episode - Voltaire and Pumyra. This was something we saw coming. There were clues from the last several episodes. I called it that Pumyra was never a member of the Thundercats. She was technically dead. If they end up introducing Bengali, he'd be used in the same way perhaps be Tygra's foil. I called it that Pumyra was never a member of the Thundercats.