Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I want to see T/C on the receiving end of some of Jelenic's infamous "lessons".

I think all the characters will suffer, but not to the extreme of lion-o.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Since Lion-o died ,Wilykit might blame them for Lion-o's mental state.

I could see that. They will question what happen. Eveything was going great until after the AP.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

We cannot use any method known to mankind deciphering their agenda ,we need to look for methods "elsewhere". Even Holmes is baffled by their motives and plans.

I'll need to call the MIB for help. Maybe Jelenic and crew are E.T. beings from another galaxy far far away a long time ago. (Which reminds me those old MIBs cartoon were good!)

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yeah its time to call in the professionals to unravel this mess of Jelenic"s.

Drama, we must suffer.

[Eclipse]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Remember what Air speed said. Lion-o took them up the mountain when they didn't want to. He felt like they were against him. These emotions are being driven by T/C.

If T/C thing didn't happen, lion-o doesn't get into the big fight where panthro came and helped them and he wouldn't take them up the mountain. He would've been focus on the other stone and not be dead.

So it looks like he couldn't rise above his own feelings of discontent after realizing Cheetara and Tygra had feelings for each other and does have a lesson to learn.

I can't wait for the episodes to finally air so I can see it for myself instead of relying on second and third hand information.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Eclipse

So it looks like he couldn't rise above his own feelings of discontent after realizing Cheetara and Tygra had feelings for each other and does have a lesson to learn.

I can't wait for the episodes to finally air so I can see it for myself instead of relying on second and third hand information.

Air speed in the TFW2005 board has the spoiler and pics if you want to see them. He didn't get any pics from 14, but he does have pics from 15.

[Eclipse]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Air speed in the TFW2005 board has the spoiler and pics if you want to see them. He didn't get any pics from 14, but he does have pics from 15.

Thanks, I've already been there. Despite the good will to share, it's the definition of second hand.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Remember what Air speed said. Lion-o took them up the mountain when they didn't want to. He felt like they were against him. These emotions are being driven by T/C.

If T/C thing didn't happen, lion-o doesn't get into the big fight where panthro came and helped them and he wouldn't take them up the mountain. He would've been focus on the other stone and not be dead.

He was driving them without rest. Airspeed said they wanted to stop and Lion-O didn't. They still would've been going in the same direction had T/C not happened.

What ya'll are basically telling me is that it's Cheetara and Tygra's fault that Lion-O chooses to run them ragged and Lion-O is completely blameless.
I'm sorry but that's BS.

And let's get something straight. They are already searching for the stones. They would've been searching for the stones no matter who Cheetara chose. And Slithe, Kaynar and Addicus would've still been there to ambush them no matter who Cheetara chose. Do you think they were on that mountain just hoping the Tcats would show up? No, they would've had to have been watching them and seen where they were headed. It would've happened either way.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I could see that. They will question what happen. Eveything was going great until after the AP.

I agree. If Tygra didn't that jealous of L/C or frustrated of L/C (like the pic on SM and WW,) Cheetara will not choose anyone and L/C will continue to develop to the point she will realize that she loves Lion-O more than Tygra.

Paring Tygra with Cheetara is like Pairing Superman with Wonder Woman, wrong because Superman's love is always be Lois Lane (Superman is not the type to have multiple love interests, especially with SM/LL ship is so canon). Cheetara's Love should be Lion-O as hinted in the OS heavily. Tygra should be with Pumyra.

For the bat, he has so many love interests already, too many to choose.

Talia is so jealous of bats/ww thing. DC made this funny comic, in Talia's mind of BM/WW:




With the bat/cat ship this is what happened lately, from catwoman #6 :Batman: "No more games. You're anything but stupid. It's beyond that.
All the thefts! The fights! The idiotic risks! It's all just leading to one unavoidable end! Is that what you want?!
Do you want to DIE?!"
Catwoman: "MAYBE I DO!"



Catwoman was written really bad lately, DC really reduced her character to a frickin sl"t, she will play "hanky-panky" with anyone now without any reason even with the police to get away. she can be written waaaay better than this.



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[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think all the characters will suffer, but not to the extreme of lion-o.

Jelenic has some personal issues with Lion-O, definitely. With making Lion-O did a "suicide run" as the final definitive proof of the amount of hate he harbors for Lion-O.


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[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Drama, we must suffer.

Which is why, I need to go back for a time to ships that actually work, and will end good (well in the famous Definitive DC Comic Animated Universe cartoons, as fans called it the DCAU), BM/WW and SM/LL.




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[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic has some personal issues with Lion-O, definitely. With making Lion-O did a "suicide run" as the final definitive proof of the amount of hate he harbors for Lion-O.


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WB made a BIG mistake hiring Jelenic. The man hates Lion-o more than Mumm-ra.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

WB made a BIG mistake hiring Jelenic. The man hates Lion-o more than Mumm-ra.

Yeah its just pathetic. WB should hire him for a Tygra's show. not Lion-O's show.


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[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah its just pathetic. WB should hire him for a Tygra's show. not Lion-O's show.


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I'll bet Jelenic just loved the TCats comics.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I'll bet Jelenic just loved the TCats comics.

Ugh. I don't have to read that comics to make me want to puke. What you described about that TC comic way back was already detailed enough.



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[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Ugh. I don't have to read that comics to make me want to puke. What you described about that TC comic way back was already detailed enough.



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It was horrifying. I really have to wonder why WB would greenlight this poorly written fanfic.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

It was horrifying. I really have to wonder why WB would greenlight this poorly written fanfic.

Maybe Jelenic has a "silver tongue", managed to make WB greenlighted the story he made.


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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

He was driving them without rest. Airspeed said they wanted to stop and Lion-O didn't. They still would've been going in the same direction had T/C not happened.

What ya'll are basically telling me is that it's Cheetara and Tygra's fault that Lion-O chooses to run them ragged and Lion-O is completely blameless.
I'm sorry but that's BS.

And let's get something straight. They are already searching for the stones. They would've been searching for the stones no matter who Cheetara chose. And Slithe, Kaynar and Addicus would've still been there to ambush them no matter who Cheetara chose. Do you think they were on that mountain just hoping the Tcats would show up? No, they would've had to have been watching them and seen where they were headed. It would've happened either way.

No it wouldn't. His whole attitude was affected by T/C. It is what it is.

Who said he was blameless. We have said, lion-o wouldn't take it well. Men don't take that well. Friendships have ended over a women or wars have been fought over women.

Lion-o wouldn't have stormed off and got into a fight in E14 and he wouldn't have been rash in 15. It all lead to his death.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Maybe Jelenic has a "silver tongue", managed to make WB greenlighted the story he made.


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I can't wait to see the ratings, after all the Lion-o fans ditch the show.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I agree. If Tygra didn't that jealous of L/C or frustrated of L/C (like the pic on SM and WW,) Cheetara will not choose anyone and L/C will continue to develop to the point she will realize that she loves Lion-O more than Tygra.

Paring Tygra with Cheetara is like Pairing Superman with Wonder Woman, wrong because Superman's love is always be Lois Lane (Superman is not the type to have multiple love interests, especially with SM/LL ship is so canon). Cheetara's Love should be Lion-O as hinted in the OS heavily. Tygra should be with Pumyra.

For the bat, he has so many love interests already, too many to choose.

Talia is so jealous of bats/ww thing. DC made this funny comic, in Talia's mind of BM/WW:




With the bat/cat ship this is what happened lately, from catwoman #6 :Batman: "No more games. You're anything but stupid. It's beyond that.
All the thefts! The fights! The idiotic risks! It's all just leading to one unavoidable end! Is that what you want?!
Do you want to DIE?!"
Catwoman: "MAYBE I DO!"



Catwoman was written really bad lately, DC really reduced her character to a frickin sl"t, she will play "hanky-panky" with anyone now without any reason even with the police to get away. she can be written waaaay better than this.



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They wanted a triangle. They built up the L/C and then brought in tygra with the past. Now we have T/C running with lion-o's death.

If the AP didn't happen, would cheetara went to tygra and when would she have done it?

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I can't wait to see the ratings, after all the Lion-o fans ditch the show.

Then the WB bosses will say to Jelenic "I told you so!, but you insisted"
Let all Lion-O fans unite, for WB to bring some justice and truth to Lion-O's story!

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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Jelenic has some personal issues with Lion-O, definitely. With making Lion-O did a "suicide run" as the final definitive proof of the amount of hate he harbors for Lion-O.


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I don't know, they said they were going to make it tough for him.

I don't know who he like, but I think if he didn't like him, lion-o wouldn't be the focus of the show. He is adding layers and drama.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Which is why, I need to go back for a time to ships that actually work, and will end good (well in the famous Definitive DC Comic Animated Universe cartoons, as fans called it the DCAU), BM/WW and SM/LL.




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I don't like how they did some things, but this is how drama is. I'm just using a example. Have you seen once upon a time? You know charming and snow will be together, but they are making it tough for them to have drama in the show.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I can't wait to see the ratings, after all the Lion-o fans ditch the show.

It will be interesting how lion-o fans take lion-o being dead and tygra being LoTC.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

They wanted a triangle. They built up the L/C and then brought in tygra with the past. Now we have T/C running with lion-o's death.

If the AP didn't happen, would cheetara went to tygra and when would she have done it?

In logical sense, she wouldn't. Heck the entire choosing thing is just not necessary, they can actually have a triangle without her having to actually choose, just make it gray. They have too much a bigger problem, obviously. It's not the the right time for a proper romance technically speaking, flirtations are fine but the real romance can wait until the kingdom is rebuilt, they should just make it like that and avoid all this mess.


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[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't like how they did some things, but this is how drama is. I'm just using a example. Have you seen once upon a time? You know charming and snow will be together, but they are making it tough for them to have drama in the show.

Yeah drama can be trolling and pathetic, especially this is supposed to be a kids cartoon. No I haven't seen once upon a time.

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[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It will be interesting how lion-o fans take lion-o being dead and tygra being LoTC.

I'm thinking not very well, Lion-o is getting treated like "the loveable loser" in this show.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

In logical sense, she wouldn't. Heck the entire choosing thing is just not necessary, they can actually have a triangle without her having to actually choose, just make it gray. They have too much a bigger problem, obviously. It's not the the right time for a proper romance technically speaking, flirtations are fine but the real romance can wait until the kingdom is rebuilt, they should just make it like that and avoid all this mess.


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I think they wanted that. We all thought she was going to chose lion-o, that was a big time surprise. When I saw the flashback, I kind of knew where 13 was going to end, but I was in denial.

Remember this is what the WB boss wanted. MJ is trying to make the TC different in from the past.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I'm thinking not very well, Lion-o is getting treated like "the loveable loser" in this show.

And to Jelenic and crew, all of hardcore Lion-O fans will be sooooo happy and it's fan to watch.


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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah drama can be trolling and pathetic, especially this is supposed to be a kids cartoon. No I haven't seen once upon a time.

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Yeah the triangle can't be for the kids, it is confusing.

Once Upon a time is really good.

I had to watch This is war, that is another triangle.

I hope they are not trolling, that is insulting to the fans. Like I said with Naruto, that is a original series. It is not like TC where you have established ships.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

I'm thinking not very well, Lion-o is getting treated like "the loveable loser" in this show.

Yeah, he is second best. He lost everything.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Yeah the triangle can't be for the kids, it is confusing.

Once Upon a time is really good.

I had to watch This is war, that is another triangle.

I hope they are not trolling, that is insulting to the fans. Like I said with Naruto, that is a original series. It is not like TC where you have established ships.

The problem with this triangle is its not written well. T/C came out of nowhere, and viewers didn't buy it.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I think they wanted that. We all thought she was going to chose lion-o, that was a big time surprise. When I saw the flashback, I kind of knew where 13 was going to end, but I was in denial.

Remember this is what the WB boss wanted. MJ is trying to make the TC different in from the past.

Yeah, I have that suspicion too with the flashbacks in 13.

WB boss wanted the triangle, but maybe what they wanted was not like this perse, more like what I said earlier. This is Jelenic's idea the flower thing for T/C and Cheetara's sudden 180 character change and destruction. I don't think WB boss aggreed with that much character destruction of Cheetara, MJ just managed to squeeze that idea until the WB boss's okayed it.


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[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

No it wouldn't. His whole attitude was affected by T/C. It is what it is.

Who said he was blameless. We have said, lion-o wouldn't take it well. Men don't take that well. Friendships have ended over a women or wars have been fought over women.

Lion-o wouldn't have stormed off and got into a fight in E14 and he wouldn't have been rash in 15. It all lead to his death.

1. I'm not talking about episode 14. He didn't die in episode 14. In episode 14 when he ran off Cheetara and Tygra ran after him to help him and after Panthro got back they beat the bad guys and everything was fine.

2. If Cheetara hadn't chosen Tygra they still would've been going in the same direction. They'd still be going after the stones. The only thing different is that Lion-O might have been more accepting to their suggestion of stopping for rest. They still would've gotten ambushed. Who Cheetara chose had nothing to do with The Mutant's plan.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't know, they said they were going to make it tough for him.

I don't know who he like, but I think if he didn't like him, lion-o wouldn't be the focus of the show. He is adding layers and drama.

Exactly. If they didn't like Lion-O he wouldn't be the focus of the show so much that throughout the first 13 episodes most of the other characters were in the background.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Yeah, he is second best. He lost everything.

Considering the poor treatment that Lion-o has received, I wonder why he would want to come back to life.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The problem with this triangle is its not written well. T/C came out of nowhere, and viewers didn't buy it.

I think everyone will agree with this. To me, as much as I hate it, that is good for us.

They did the rush job to just have a triangle.

Look how late we saw the flower and look how it went down. I like romances that are develop.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Yeah the triangle can't be for the kids, it is confusing.

Once Upon a time is really good.

I had to watch This is war, that is another triangle.

I hope they are not trolling, that is insulting to the fans. Like I said with Naruto, that is a original series. It is not like TC where you have established ships.

I see.

So your going to do two wars. Just like the bat multitasking, focusing on WW while helping L/C

Yeah L/C is like SM/LL too much weight already.

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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

Exactly. If they didn't like Lion-O he wouldn't be the focus of the show so much that throughout the first 13 episodes most of the other characters were in the background.

Agree.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Considering the poor treatment that Lion-o has received, I wonder why he would want to come back to life.

There's no reason for Lion-O technically speaking. Tygra already has it all.


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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

1. I'm not talking about episode 14. He didn't die in episode 14. In episode 14 when he ran off Cheetara and Tygra ran after him to help him and after Panthro got back they beat the bad guys and everything was fine.

2. If Cheetara hadn't chosen Tygra they still would've been going in the same direction. They'd still be going after the stones. The only thing different is that Lion-O might have been more accepting to their suggestion of stopping for rest. They still would've gotten ambushed. Who Cheetara chose had nothing to do with The Mutant's plan.

Lion-o wouldn't have pushed on. Look at his pic, he is PO. He is acting rash. They might have been ambused, but I don't think lion-o would've have been dead.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I see.

So your going to do two wars. Just like the bat multitasking, focusing on WW while helping L/C

Yeah L/C is like SM/LL too much weight already.

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She wanted to go watch this means war. It was funny though.

It is a triangle and the men are CIA agents.

I might have to watch the Vow too. Her friend was going to go with her, but her friends brother just got back from Afghanistan.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

There's no reason for Lion-O technically speaking. Tygra already has it all.


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MJ did hold to his word about tygra. He did upstage him.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

The problem with this triangle is its not written well. T/C came out of nowhere, and viewers didn't buy it.

Yeah, good writers can write it in a way that we are not hating it this much, that we can still watch the show and not dropping it like this. Even with L/C is the end game, good writers can make us feel some sympathy towards T/C too, not like this, like what we L/C fans are feeling right now.


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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Considering the poor treatment that Lion-o has received, I wonder why he would want to come back to life.

I think SC gave him some motivation.

[Balgus82]

The thing they're doing with Lion-O is that they're running him through a gauntlet so that he comes out better in the end. Remember the monologue at the beginning of the series? "For it was written that he would be born of fire."

It isn't that they think it's "fun" to torture Lion-O. It's that if everything was handed to him the show would get kinda boring and he'd be a Mary Sue. Tygra always said he should've earned his position as king. Well He's earning it now. He's being torn down to be reborn better than he was before.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Yeah, good writers can write it in a way that we are not hating it this much, that we can still watch the show and not dropping it like this. Even with L/C is the end game, good writers can make us feel some sympathy towards T/C too, not like this, like what we L/C fans are feeling right now.


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Agreed. If we didn't get all that L/C and we had the flashback earlier, then it would be different.

Well writers did do a good job to make us feel this way, the same way as lion-o.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

The thing they're doing with Lion-O is that they're running him through a gauntlet so that he comes out better in the end. Remember the monologue at the beginning of the series? "For it was written that he would be born of fire."

It isn't that they think it's "fun" to torture Lion-O. It's that if everything was handed to him the show would get kinda boring and he'd be a Mary Sue. Tygra always said he should've earned his position as king. Well He's earning it now. He's being torn down to be reborn better than he was before.

I can agree, but the guy lost everything.

When I went to boot camp, they do the same thing. They tear you down and build you back up, but not over and over again.

It will get boring if this is the samething all the time. Other characters need to learn some lessons too.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Agreed. If we didn't get all that L/C and we had the flashback earlier, then it would be different.

Well writers did do a good job to make us feel this way, the same way as lion-o.

yeah by destroying Cheetara's character in the process, not proper writing.

They forgot one thing, this is a series not a one-time silver screen deal, they have to make the most number of viewers return to watch what will happen next, instead with 14 they will turn away even more L/C fans.


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[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

yeah by destroying Cheetara's character in the process, not proper writing.

They forgot one thing, this is a series not a one-time silver screen deal, they have to make the most number of viewers return to watch what will happen next, instead with 14 they will turn away even more L/C fans.

Yes, I think they were unfair to cheetara. That is why I hope we find out more. If they don't explore who she is, then she is just a love interest.

MJ did say he wants to explore Lion-o, Tygra, and Cheetara. Maybe that is the order he is going.

We have had a lot of lion-o, some of tygra, and not that much of cheetara.

Agree. If they fail, I don't see a rebot in my life time.

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I can agree, but the guy lost everything.

When I went to boot camp, they do the same thing. They tear you down and build you back up, but not over and over again.

What they did to Lion-O definetly not a "boot camp deal". Its rather throwing Lion-O into the very depths of Hell without any kind of safety line, to bring him back up.

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