Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

[cmangund]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

So I wonder who will use Ross' classic line from friends, "we were on a break"?

"TFriends and a Half Cat"

Tygra, since he will be in on/off dating mode with Pumyra as Pumyra is sometimes annoyed with Tygra’s antics despite maybe Tygra's better in "gun" skills with Pumyra than Lion-O's "sword" skills with Cheetara as Cheetara needed to point a few things to improve Lion-O's "sword" skills with her 2 booming and glowing "Globes of Wisdom" when in extremely close proximity with Lion-O's "Sword" . Despite Lion-O's yet to improve "Sword" skills, Pumyra is still attracted to Lion-O but got blocked by Cheetara all the time, while Lion-O does not have any clue of Pumyra advances to him as he only loves Cheetara and see Pumyra as a friend and nothing more. So catfights between Pumyra and Cheetara happened all the time with or without the oil and/or lotions, when both guys are out. Pumyra in the end got stuck with Tygra all the time. Problem is Tygra also has a lot of other female cats girlfriends, so Tygra got beaten a lot by Pumyra. Until in the end Tygra and Pumyra’s chemistry got stronger despite being beaten to death with Pumyra all the time. So all ends well as Lion-O has mastered his "sword" skills with Cheetara and Tygra has mastered his "gun" defensive skills with Pumyra. Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pumyra, THE END or is it? .....Epilogue: Not far away from their beach house,....Snow Meow returns as usual with his bowel movements and the masters of evil snarf

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I think they will make it light thus either the evolved triangle scenario or the SoO connections scenario, easier for kids to understand.

Why would she need a sword of omens connection to like lion-o ? That theory cheapens cheetara to me if she likes lion-o there doesn't need to be an outside influence to make the decision she does have a mind of her own and can choose for herself. The connections theory is just asking for trouble for "lion-o fans"

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Two and a Half Men?!? Uh oh, does this mean that Lion-o and Tygra will move into a beach house together, and then hilarity will ensue?

I would've guessed panthro and bengali would be the men and lion-o the 1/2.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

"TFriends and a Half Cat"

Tygra, since he will be in on/off dating mode with Pumyra as Pumyra is sometimes annoyed with Tygra’s antics despite maybe Tygra's better in "gun" skills with Pumyra than Lion-O's "sword" skills with Cheetara as Cheetara needed to point a few things to improve Lion-O's "sword" skills with her 2 booming and glowing "Globes of Wisdom" when in extremely close proximity with Lion-O's "Sword" . Despite Lion-O's yet to improve "Sword" skills, Pumyra is still attracted to Lion-O but got blocked by Cheetara all the time, while Lion-O does not have any clue of Pumyra advances to him as he only loves Cheetara and see Pumyra as a friend and nothing more. So catfights between Pumyra and Cheetara happened all the time with or without the oil and/or lotions, when both guys are out. Pumyra in the end got stuck with Tygra all the time. Problem is Tygra also has a lot of other female cats girlfriends, so Tygra got beaten a lot by Pumyra. Until in the end Tygra and Pumyra’s chemistry got stronger despite being beaten to death with Pumyra all the time. So all ends well as Lion-O has mastered his "sword" skills with Cheetara and Tygra has mastered his "gun" defensive skills with Pumyra. Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pumyra, THE END or is it? .....Epilogue: Not far away from their beach house,....Snow Meow returns as usual with his bowel movements and the masters of evil snarf

Doubt any of that would happen because it would take away from the main story. Besides i doubt tygra has any other female cats it doesn't fit his "profile" and the writers suggest that he is also shy.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

So combining that interview with Dan’s comments “She chose Tygra …”
The … meant there’s a pause or spoiler or fill in the blanks, otherwise he will just type She chose Tygra; not Mumm-Ra. could be:

1. She chose Tygra but loves Lion-O
2. She chose Tygra but likes Lion-O more
3. She chose Tygra and she loves Lion-O too
4. She chose Tygra and she likes Lion-O too
5. She chose Tygra and Lion-O (she chose twice with/without SoO connections)

So looks like conflicted feelings theory all over again, will lead to her cannot really chosing either brothers again only this time with evolved triangle or she has chosen twice or similar to that.

Seeing the Top Dogs of WB are the ones doing this Love Triangle and Peter Roth he’s also involved with Friends show and Two and a Half Man show, Sam Register also known for ships these will strengthen the possibility of another entanglements with Pumyra/Bengali/Tygra. Or Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra/Pumyra. Things can get really messy… Of course I hope not hope it will be just Lion-O/Cheetara and Tygra/Pumyra.

But they can't go over the top if they are aiming at kids 6-11.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Doubt any of that would happen because it would take away from the main story. Besides i doubt tygra has any other female cats it doesn't fit his "profile" and the writers suggest that he is also shy.

Disagree, he provided you info coming from the main person at WB that wanted the triangle.

"And what about the Cheetara/Lion-O/Tygra love triangle?

"This show is breaking a lot of conventional rules of Western animation," Jelenic continued. "Back when I started people said 'don't do stories that are serialized' and 'don't do love stories.' When we were very early in development, we pitched the show to Peter Roth, the President of Television for Warner Brothers, and the love triangle was the one thing he cued in on immediately. He said, 'Let's get a triangle going between these three characters' and he's obviously a guy who knows what he's doing. So that became a very important part of the story."


I don't understand, they have been running subpots this whole time with the main stroy, how has it taken away from the story.

If they didn't have subplots then the story would be over in 26 episodes.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Why would she need a sword of omens connection to like lion-o ? That theory cheapens cheetara to me if she likes lion-o there doesn't need to be an outside influence to make the decision she does have a mind of her own and can choose for herself. The connections theory is just asking for trouble for "lion-o fans"

Why is it asking for trouble?

We are talking about the past why she followed him. We are saying they have a connection with the different clips and dialogue they have had with lion-o and cheetara. We are not saying she has to like lion-o, because of the SoO. We are saying there could be a connection. We think she likes him without the SoO.

You are going to get more of the triangle no matter what.

Didn't you watch HS of the dead?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

I think they will make it light thus either the evolved triangle scenario or the SoO connections scenario, easier for kids to understand.

Agree, it will have to be less drama.

[AdamofEternia]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Disagree, he provided you info coming from the main person at WB that wanted the triangle.

I don't understand, they have been running subpots this whole time with the main stroy, how has it taken away from the story.

i think Big snarf meant that if the writers kept going back and forth with the triangle, it will almost kind of overshadow the main plot of the story.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by cmangund

So combining that interview with Dan’s comments “She chose Tygra …”
The … meant there’s a pause or spoiler or fill in the blanks, otherwise he will just type She chose Tygra; not Mumm-Ra. could be:

ok. for the last time guys. It was not an interview. It was must me asking him a question on frikkin Facebook. Why are ya'll trying to read so much into something as stupid as dots?

/facepalm

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Two and a Half Men?!? Uh oh, does this mean that Lion-o and Tygra will move into a beach house together, and then hilarity will ensue?

yup. and then tygra dies and lion-o meets walden.

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

ok. for the last time guys. It was not an interview. It was must me asking him a question on frikkin Facebook. Why are ya'll trying to read so much into something as stupid as dots?

/facepalm

why do YOU care so much?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

i think Big snarf meant that if the writers kept going back and forth with the triangle, it will almost kind of overshadow the main plot of the story.

I understand, but that is what they wanted.

I think they are doing that to drive the character development.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

why do YOU care so much?

You know the answer to that one.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Why is it asking for trouble? Maybe that is what you don't want to see.

We are talking about the past why she followed him. We are saying they have a connection with the different clips and dialogue they have had with lion-o and cheetara. We are not saying she has to like lion-o, because of the SoO. We are saying there could be a connection. We think she likes him without the SoO.

You are going to get more of the triangle no matter what.

Didn't you watch HS of the dead?

So then is the sword of omens connection is a non factor ? As far as we know she chose tygra for now for what ever reasons. The love triangle in HS of the dead if anyone can call it that "takashi accepted the fact that rei was with hisashi even though he still liked her " was over in the 1st ep.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

So then is the sword of omens connection is a non factor ? As far as we know she chose tygra for now for what ever reasons. The love triangle in HS of the dead if anyone can call it that "takashi accepted the fact that rei was with hisashi even though he still liked her " was over in the 1st ep.

HS of the dead is a harem, not a triangle.

What we are saying is she likes him, but there is more to it. Like their destinies are link through the SoO. We are saying in cheetara's past that was one of the factors to have her follow him and she started to like him.

She chose tygra the first time (flower) and chose lion-o a second time (the following around).

We are not saying it is solely based on the SoO or without it.

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You know the answer to that one.

oh yeah

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Disagree, he provided you info coming from the main person at WB that wanted the triangle.

"And what about the Cheetara/Lion-O/Tygra love triangle?

"This show is breaking a lot of conventional rules of Western animation," Jelenic continued. "Back when I started people said 'don't do stories that are serialized' and 'don't do love stories.' When we were very early in development, we pitched the show to Peter Roth, the President of Television for Warner Brothers, and the love triangle was the one thing he cued in on immediately. He said, 'Let's get a triangle going between these three characters' and he's obviously a guy who knows what he's doing. So that became a very important part of the story."


I don't understand, they have been running subpots this whole time with the main stroy, how has it taken away from the story.

If they didn't have subplots then the story would be over in 26 episodes.

I was talking more along the lines of the whole tygra/chettara/pumyra/long list of female cats theory when i said it doesn't fit his "profile". If the the triangle keeps going tygra is in it to win it whether he does is a different story

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

I was talking more along the lines of the whole tygra/chettara/pumyra/long list of female cats theory when i said it doesn't fit his "profile". If the the triangle keeps going tygra is in it to win it whether he does is a different story

If he is in it to win, then he is not shy is he?

I think tygra is more than that. Cheetara and pumyra is only two female cats characters.

I don't think the triangle will be dragged on, they gave the proper due for T/C (flower), now it is the other side of the triangle.

You know the relationships always over shadow the story. That is what people like.

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If he is in it to win, then he is not shy is he?

I think tygra is more than that. Cheetara and pumyra is only two female cats characters.

I don't think the triangle will be dragged on, they gave the proper due for T/C (flower), not it is the other side of the triangle.

You know the relationships always over shadow the story. That is what people like.

thats the truth

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

why do YOU care so much?

because I was the one he was talking to. And I'm the one that relayed the information hoping it would put an end to some of this constant arguing.
But I guess people in denial will rationalize anything.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

HS of the dead is a harem, not a triangle.

What we are saying is she likes him, but there is more to it. Like their destinies are link through the SoO. We are saying in cheetara's past that was one of the factors to have her follow him and she started to like him.

She chose tygra the first time (flower) and chose lion-o a second time (the following around).

We are not saying it is solely based on the SoO or without it.

Thats why i said in HS of the dead "triangle" was over in the 1st ep, i never said it wasn't harem but it did start out with tahashi, rei & hisashi. If she chose tygra the 1st time(flower) lion-o 2nd (stalking) it seems that for now she went back to the 1st choice for now. Their destinies can be linked through the sword but that doesn't mean they are destined to be together. However it they can use that connection as a base to build on as something in common but that is still so minimal

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

because I was the one he was talking to. And I'm the one that relayed the information hoping it would put an end to some of this constant arguing.
But I guess people in denial will rationalize anything.

look Im just going to be honest with you. if you know that some comments you post tic my friends off dont post them. and try to compromize with us. im just trying to be nice.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

look Im just going to be honest with you. if you know that some comments you post tic my friends off dont post them. and try to compromize with us. im just trying to be nice.

I am not trying to tick anyone off. But hell it's not like ya'll never tick me off. I have tried to compromise. I've even said she could end up with Lion-O eventually. But everyone seems to want to deny or rationalize excuses to say she doesn't really want Tygra when I actually got confirmation by one of the main Crew members that she does. It's just frustrating.

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82
because I was the one he was talking to. And I'm the one that relayed the information hoping it would put an end to some of this constant arguing.
But I guess people in denial will rationalize anything.


and another thing we dont rationalize anything. we just want to talk about wha we like. got it?

[DarkKnight]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I am not trying to tick anyone off. But hell it's not like ya'll never tick me off.

and you dont think I ever got mad. i understand you dont want to piss us off, but it dosent look like you're trying not to.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia

i think Big snarf meant that if the writers kept going back and forth with the triangle, it will almost kind of overshadow the main plot of the story.

Yup the switching and pairing and switching again and again will make viewers dizzy meanwhile mum-ra catches everyone squabbling over who gets who and of course lion-o left the sword in his tent and thats the end of the thundercats with you guessed it snarf being the only survivor of the group

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Thats why i said in HS of the dead "triangle" was over in the 1st ep, i never said it wasn't harem but it did start out with tahashi, rei & hisashi. If she chose tygra the 1st time(flower) lion-o 2nd (stalking) it seems that for now she went back to the 1st choice for now. Their destinies can be linked through the sword but that doesn't mean they are destined to be together. However it they can use that connection as a base to build on as something in common but that is still so minimal

There never was a triangle. It was pure ecchi harem. The manga is pure harem, no romance. That is how it was package.

What is minimal?

We already had this discussion with why she went to tygra.

I sorry, you are going to have to accept the triangle. It is going to go on and the plot will run too.

How did tygra go from psychopath to a shy cat?

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight

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Originally Posted by Balgus82
because I was the one he was talking to. And I'm the one that relayed the information hoping it would put an end to some of this constant arguing.
But I guess people in denial will rationalize anything.


and another thing we dont rationalize anything. we just want to talk about wha we like. got it?

when someone goes so far as to start trying to explain dots in a message to support their views, to me it's rationalizing.

He puts "....." in his responses to me all the time. Even in things that have nothing to do with the show or spoilers.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yup the switching and pairing and switching again and again will make viewers dizzy meanwhile mum-ra catches everyone squabbling over who gets who and of course lion-o left the sword in his tent and thats the end of the thundercats with you guessed it snarf being the only survivor of the group

As you said before, what has mummra done?

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

when someone goes so far as to start trying to explain dots in a message to support their views, to me it's rationalizing.

He puts "....." in his responses to me all the time. Even in things that have nothing to do with the show or spoilers.

Why don't you post it to show proof and don't make someothing up.

I am sorry, but I will trust a english graduate degree over you. An ellipsis can also be used to indicate an unfinished thought. Heck I never use them.

And it does p$ss you o$$. They post between each other and you come in argue. You just can't let it go.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Why don't you post it to show proof and don't make someothing up.

I am sorry, but I will trust a english graduate degree over you.

And it does p$ss you o$$. They post between each other and you come in argue. You just can't let it go.

as in example once i asked

"Your posts today got me wondering how concept artists are paid. Do they get salaries? or are they paid by picture? or hour? or what?"

he answered

"if on staff... sal... if freelance... per piece. if an onsite contractor, you get paid by union regulations

which is hourly"


do you think he left out spoilers on that too?


and that's as far as I'm going to go with posting PMs that have nothing to do with the show.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yup the switching and pairing and switching again and again will make viewers dizzy meanwhile mum-ra catches everyone squabbling over who gets who and of course lion-o left the sword in his tent and thats the end of the thundercats with you guessed it snarf being the only survivor of the group

Well as far as the sword is concerned, Mummra can't touch it. As far as the squabbling is concerned, yeah that could be an issue.Fortunately for the cats Mummra is horribly ineffectual.

[Balgus82]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Well as far as the sword is concerned, Mummra can't touch it.

True, but as Grune proved Mumm-Ra's minions can.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

as in example once i asked

"Your posts today got me wondering how concept artists are paid. Do they get salaries? or are they paid by picture? or hour? or what?"

he answered

"if on staff... sal... if freelance... per piece. if an onsite contractor, you get paid by union regulations

which is hourly"


do you think he left out spoilers on that too?


and that's as far as I'm going to go with posting PMs that have nothing to do with the show.

He uses Ellipsis. Three dots.

You are asking him a question that has nothing to do with TC.

His sentence was a pause in his speech; if on staff... sal. It would be different if it was about something he can't say that much about.

Look how he wrote the next sentence. He didn't use them at all.

No one said she didn't chose tygra as of E13.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

As you said before, what has mummra done?

Yeah but if he catches them fighting amongst themselves without the sword they are doomed for sure.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Yeah but if he catches them fighting amongst themselves without the sword they are doomed for sure.

Doesn't that need to happen? If things keep going as they are, they can wrap it up in episode 26.

The TC need a set back.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

There never was a triangle. It was pure ecchi harem. The manga is pure harem, no romance. That is how it was package.

What is minimal?

We already had this discussion with why she went to tygra.

I sorry, you are going to have to accept the triangle. It is going to go on and the plot will run too.

How did tygra go from psychopath to a shy cat?

The "triangle" in HS of the dead was in the 1st ep. I said tygra is a sociopath not psychopath and issues based on shyness is a common trait. I have no problem with the triangle just i think it was written a little badly but like said before the fate of thundera doesn't rest on who cheetara chooses its what lion-o does regardless of if cheetara is "with" him or not

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Doesn't that need to happen? If things keep going as they are, they can wrap it up in episode 26.

The TC need a set back.

Maybe Mummra will forge an alliance with th Lunatacs.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Doesn't that need to happen? If things keep going as they are, they can wrap it up in episode 26.

The TC need a set back.

Thats not a set back thats more like game over mum-ra wins

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Maybe Mummra will forge an alliance with th Lunatacs.

That might backfire on him seeing how he couldn't control them in the OS. If they beat the cats he'll be next, but he's smarter than that and he'll just come in and take the stones when no one is looking and run as fast as he can

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

The "triangle" in HS of the dead was in the 1st ep. I said tygra is a sociopath not psychopath and issues based on shyness is a common trait. I have no problem with the triangle just i think it was written a little badly but like said before the fate of thundera doesn't rest on who cheetara chooses its what lion-o does regardless of if cheetara is "with" him or not

I agree it was written badly from only watching 13, but it was planned this way. They pitched it at the big boss of WB and he wanted it to be a driving force of the story. There is more to it. There is no way the big boss would ok some sloppy triangle.

I think what happen in AP has changed tygra a little, as the tygra fans have pointed out.

I agree, I was shocked they did romance in this.

They have 39 episodes to go.

[stormbringer]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Doesn't that need to happen? If things keep going as they are, they can wrap it up in episode 26.

The TC need a set back.

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

That might backfire on him seeing how he couldn't control them in the OS. If they beat the cats he'll be next, but he's smarter than that and he'll just come in and take the stones when no one is looking and run as fast as he can

Yep, flight over fight.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf

Thats not a set back thats more like game over mum-ra wins

Lion-o could say SoO come to my hands.

The shows original title was lost causes.

[L08e16o]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Maybe Mummra will forge an alliance with th Lunatacs.

I like that idea.

I am interested to see what mummra has up his sleeve.

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Lion-o could say SoO come to my hands.

The shows original title was lost causes.

I've been waiting to see him say that. The lost cause would be cheetara trying to say "its not what you think lion-o" .

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I like that idea.

I am interested to see what mummra has up his sleeve.

Plus mum-ra hasn't changed into super mum-ra yet

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I agree it was written badly from only watching 13, but it was planned this way. They pitched it at the big boss of WB and he wanted it to be a driving force of the story. There is more to it. There is no way the big boss would ok some sloppy triangle.

I think what happen in AP has changed tygra a little, as the tygra fans have pointed out.

I agree, I was shocked they did romance in this.

They have 39 episodes to go.

I don't think tygra has shown any change but he has become more aware and its now strike two against third one and he's out. The next 39 episodes need to be like the 1st 8 episodes but i guess 9-13 are just fillers.

[Big Snarf]

For now cheetara has chosen tygra but that can change. Cheetara " tygra i can't believe your not housebroken yet " Tygra "" And snarf ""

[Big Snarf]

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Yep, flight over fight.

Ancient spirits of evil will say " good mumm-ra you got the stones now run away run home as fast as you can" If mum-ra starts singing he has a golden ticket i'm turning off my tv