Thundercats Ep 13 - Between Brothers Discussion

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Agreed.

If they had switch places L/C with T/C. I would have been fine with it.

I think that is what some tygra fans don't understand.

We are more upset with the writing then the characters.

but if that's true then why do you get so upset at me? i've agreed from the start that the writing wasn't handled right.

I've only tried to defend Tygra. you've been attacking the character not the writers.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

i'll give an example to hopefully explain it to you better.

i'm a little jealous of my brother's family. I though i'd have a family by now, but I'm still single.

I'm also jealous that my parents listen to and respect my brother more than me.

but I am not jealous of my brother's family because my parents respect him more. they're two different things.

From a outsider point of view and I don't mean to offend you.

It sounds like it stems with your parents listening and respecting your brother more.

Everything you brother does now that you want will make you more jealous.

If I have offended you, I am very sorry.

stormbringer · 01-01-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Agreed.

If they had switch places L/C with T/C. I would have been fine with it.

I think that is what some tygra fans don't understand.

We are more upset with the writing then the characters.

That last episode really did a diservice to both pairings to be honest. L/C fans felt like they were teased just as much as Lion-o, and T/C fans got a rushed unbelievable hook up with no build up whatsoever

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

but if that's true then why do you get so upset at me? i've agreed from the start that the writing wasn't handled right.

I've only tried to defend Tygra. you've been attacking the character not the writers.

Sorry, I am not upset with you. I am sorry if my words come off that way.

Forgive me.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't believe cheetara would have done that.

If you like someone you give them hints, like how cheetara was with lion-o.

You don't risk losing a person you like with those type of actions.

Cheetara is a good cat, that is not how she is. I don't believe she was playing lion-o, I believe she likes lion-o.

If there's no betrayal or "betayal" thing from anet Cheetara will go to Lion-O first then explain to Tygra that she has chosen Lion-O Or explain to both brothers at the same time with both of them present, as with this analysis:http://www.thundercats.ws/thundercat.../24/#post24715

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

what has he lost that tygra hasn't?

Tygra had the love and respect of his fahter and the people of thunderia.

That is a lot. I was in the same situation with my family. Growing up that way really hurt me. It is something I still struggle with even though I am more successful then they are.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

That last episode really did a diservice to both pairings to be honest. L/C fans felt like they were teased just as much as Lion-o, and T/C fans got a rushed unbelievable hook up with no build up whatsoever

There's a BIG IF there stormbringer as everything is vague. IF L/C did hook up.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

I don't believe cheetara would have done that.

If you like someone you give them hints, like how cheetara was with lion-o.

You don't risk losing a person you like with those type of actions.

Cheetara is a good cat, that is not how she is. I don't believe she was playing lion-o, I believe she likes lion-o.

not necessarily. if she thought tygra didn't like her, then she might not want him to know that she liked him. i.e. to protect herself. she didn't know he did until they came out of the astral plane.

how about this theory. she liked tygra since she was a kid (as attributed to the flower flashback), but she honestly thought for whatever reason that tygra didn't like her back. so she tried to move on with lion-o. but when she found out that tygra actually did like her back, she chose him.

so she could have genuinely liked lion-o, but liked tygra more and just didn't think he felt the same way. and she made the mistake of going to tygra first instead of lion-o, probably planning on telling him the next day or something.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

If there's no betrayal or "betayal" thing from anet Cheetara will go to Lion-O first then explain to Tygra that she has chosen Lion-O Or explain to both brothers at the same time with both of them present, as with this analysis:http://www.thundercats.ws/thundercat.../24/#post24715

That is what the highest good would be.

That is why I think it might be an illusion. Annet would have said lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara and tygra.

If that is an illusion, tygra is not a loser.

I do that in my mine all the time to help me become numb to certain things. That helps me cope.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Tygra had the love and respect of his fahter and the people of thunderia.

That is a lot. I was in the same situation with my family. Growing up that way really hurt me. It is something I still struggle with even though I am more successful then they are.

but don't forget tygra was also adopted, and we don't yet know how or why he lost his parents. what if they didn't want him and he knows it? then he'd have family that didn't love him as well.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is what the highest good would be.

That is why I think it might be an illusion. Annet would have said lion-o would feel betrayed by cheetara and tygra.

If that is an illusion, tygra is not a loser.

I do that in my mine all the time to help me become numb to certain things. That helps me cope.

Agreed.

stormbringer · 01-01-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

There's a BIG IF there stormbringer as everything is vague. IF L/C did hook up.

Trust me I don't want a T/C hookup either. I'm just going with what it appeared to be.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

not necessarily. if she thought tygra didn't like her, then she might not want him to know that she liked him. i.e. to protect herself. she didn't know he did until they came out of the astral plane.

how about this theory. she liked tygra since she was a kid (as attributed to the flower flashback), but she honestly thought for whatever reason that tygra didn't like her back. so she tried to move on with lion-o. but when she found out that tygra actually did like her back, she chose him.

so she could have genuinely liked lion-o, but liked tygra more and just didn't think he felt the same way. and she made the mistake of going to tygra first instead of lion-o, probably planning on telling him the next day or something.

That is good, but he winked at her in lion-o ceremony. She knew he liked her. That was a big disrepect to lion-o. He was being very bold.

They could have let each other know that they liked each other.

Cheetara's feelings were genuine. You can't just pull back and go to the other person like that.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Trust me I don't want a T/C hookup either. I'm just going with what it appeared to be.

I know I just need to stick it there.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Cheetara's feelings were genuine. You can't just pull back and go to the other person like that.

Yes, cheetara as a character is definitely not a "seductress".

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

but don't forget tygra was also adopted, and we don't yet know how or why he lost his parents. what if they didn't want him and he knows it? then he'd have family that didn't love him as well.

But all the years of acceptance and love would help someone overcome that.

We don't know how young he was too.

I think tygra is from another tribe and might be prince of that tribe.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is good, but he winked at her in lion-o ceremony. She knew he liked her.

They could have let each other know that they liked each other.

Cheetara's feelings were genuine. You can't just pull back and go to the other person like that.

the wink could've been something as simple as a greeting. lion-o's the one that assumed he was flirting. he could've misinterpreted it. it was a ceremony and tygra wouldn't have been able to say hi by speaking or waving.

and that's assuming he knew it was cheetara behind the veil in the first place. we don't know for sure that he did.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

again. clerics are bodyguards. her "first job" as you put it isn't to be his girlfriend. it's to guard his life.

Her job is body guard, advisor. This has been her purpose so far.

Didn't say she has to be his girlfriend.

I am saying with tygra, she can't be cleric.

stormbringer · 01-01-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

There's a BIG IF there stormbringer as everything is vague. IF L/C did hook up.

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

But all the years of acceptance and love would help someone overcome that.

We don't know how young he was too.

I think tygra is from another tribe and might be prince of that tribe.

You think that could be how Ben-gali will come into the picture?

DarkKnight · 01-01-2012, 09:26 PM

nevermind

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Her job is body guard, advisor. This has been her purpose so far.

Didn't say she has to be his girlfriend.

I am saying with tygra, she can't be cleric.

why not? how would being with tygra stop her from saving lion-o or advising lion-o?

I mean I get that he'll have hurt feelings, but he's not going to kick her out of the group, so she'll still be there to give him advice. she hasn't hesitated so far to give people advise who weren't asking for it.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

You think that could be how Ben-gali will come into the picture?

It would be great in Ben-gali and tygra fight for the crown of their tribe.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

You think that could be how Ben-gali will come into the picture?

I think they will tie bengali and the tribe with Lion-O's trial all the way to Native son for tygra, thus the Ep14 scenario I did back on this thread.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

why not? how would being with tygra stop her from saving lion-o or advising lion-o?

I mean I get that he'll have hurt feelings, but he's not going to kick her out of the group, so she'll still be there to give him advice. she hasn't hesitated so far to give people advise who weren't asking for it.

She has taken jaga place. How can they ever have that trust.

Kings number one person that they trust is the advisor.

If tygra and lion-o were going to die, who do you think cheetara will save?

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:29 PM

I hope Tygra and Bengali aren't actually related. I do find it plausable that Tygra could be the heir of a different tribe. Captain Tygus (from legacy) could have split off from Leo and started his own kingdom.

AdamofEternia · 01-01-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

not necessarily. if she thought tygra didn't like her, then she might not want him to know that she liked him. i.e. to protect herself. she didn't know he did until they came out of the astral plane.

how about this theory. she liked tygra since she was a kid (as attributed to the flower flashback), but she honestly thought for whatever reason that tygra didn't like her back. so she tried to move on with lion-o. but when she found out that tygra actually did like her back, she chose him.

so she could have genuinely liked lion-o, but liked tygra more and just didn't think he felt the same way. and she made the mistake of going to tygra first instead of lion-o, probably planning on telling him the next day or something.

we can all argue back and forth but the only logical explanation is that the writers messed up by rushing the love triangle which resulted in a very disorganized way.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

She has taken jaga place. How can they ever have that trust.

Kings number one person that they trust is the advisor.

If tygra and lion-o were going to die, who do you think cheetara will save?

I think cheetara would choose to save Lion-O. she has a strong sense of duty.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

the wink could've been something as simple as a greeting. lion-o's the one that assumed he was flirting. he could've misinterpreted it. it was a ceremony and tygra wouldn't have been able to say hi by speaking or waving.

and that's assuming he knew it was cheetara behind the veil in the first place. we don't know for sure that he did.

Come on, he knew who she was. That wink was for her, they could been a club.

This was a coming to age ceremony. That is a great disrespect in a lot of cultures.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

I think cheetara would choose to save Lion-O. she has a strong sense of duty.

See that is unfair to tygra.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

It would be great in Ben-gali and tygra fight for the crown of their tribe.

Don't forget Pumyra bethored to Tygra

Like you said way back.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Come on, he knew who she was. That wink was for her, they could been a club.

This was a coming to age ceremony. That is a great disrespect in a lot of cultures.

it wasn't a coming of age ceremony. it was an ascension ceremony to see if lion-o was ready to be king. sorta like a preface to a coronation i think.

and I mean I think he knew it was her. I'm only relating the possibility that he didn't. because we really don't know for sure.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

Come on, he knew who she was. That wink was for her, they could been a club.

This was a coming to age ceremony. That is a great disrespect in a lot of cultures.

Tygra is smart, he knows cheetara is in the clerics. If not then Cheetara should know Tygra, and if she wanted too she can star a relationship or at least try to start a relationship with Tygra.

Why? because she already choose Lion-O this time with the Cheetara SoO Chip Connection Theory.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

it wasn't a coming of age ceremony. it was an ascension ceremony to see if lion-o was ready to be king.

and I mean I think he knew it was her. I'm only relating the possibility that he didn't. because we really don't know for sure.

That is BIG.

It was confirm tygra knew that was cheetara. Lion-o didn't.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Tygra is smart, he knows cheetara is in the clerics. If not then Cheetara should know Tygra, and if she wanted too she can star a relationship or at least try to start a relationship with Tygra.

Why? because she already choose Lion-O this time with the Cheetara SoO Chip Connection Theory.

You are correct.

they had 8 years.

If the war didn't happen, Cheetara would have been with lion-o.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

See that is unfair to tygra.

life isn't fair. in that situation it would always be unfair to one of the people. if she chose tygra it would be unfair to lion-o.

if both were in danger, even if she had feelings for tygra, i believe cheetara would do her duty and save the king.

DarkKnight · 01-01-2012, 09:35 PM

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Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

That is BIG.

It was confirm tygra knew that was cheetara. Lion-o didn't.

where was it confirmed?

stormbringer · 01-01-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

Don't forget Pumyra bethored to Tygra

Like you said way back.

Would we be heading towards a Tygra/Pumyra/Bengali triangle then?

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Would we be heading towards a Tygra/Pumyra/Bengali triangle then?

god I hope not. this one has caused enough of a headache without another.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

You are correct.

they had 8 years.

8 fricking long years for L/C to happen! but it did not! unbelievable!

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

life isn't fair. in that situation it would always be unfair to one of the people. if she chose tygra it would be unfair to lion-o.

if both were in danger, even if she had feelings for tygra, i believe cheetara would do her duty and save the king.

If she stays with tygra, then she needs to give up her duties as cleric.

I would never want my wife or lover to put her life on the line of another man.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer

Would we be heading towards a Tygra/Pumyra/Bengali triangle then?

Possibility, Jelenic and Register like it as they like to lengthen ships.

It could be something like:

Main Ship: Lion-O/Cheetara
Sub Main Ship Tygra/.Pumyra/Bengali

like I posted way back in this thread

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

8 fricking long years for L/C to happen! but it did not! unbelievable!

If feel so strong about someone that long, you go for it.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

god I hope not. this one has caused enough of a headache without another.

I would love it.

What did tygra and pumyra do on earth for all those years. They had to keep their speices alive.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If feel so strong about someone that long, you go for it.

But No, she has to wait for anet to say the betrayal or "Betrayal" propecies.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82

where was it confirmed?

cmangund confirmed when cheetara came out of her cleric clothes, it was lion-o that said cheetara is a cleric.

Tygra already knew, he wasn't suprised.

Balgus82 · 01-01-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If she stays with tygra, then she needs to give up her duties as cleric.

I would never want my wife or lover to put her life on the line of another man.

do you think none of the secret service are married? they'd still jump infront of a bullet for the president or the first lady.

L08e16o · 01-01-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund

But No, she has to wait for anet to say the betrayal or "Betrayal" propecies.

Yep, that was her clue from the great heavens.

cmangund · 01-01-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

cmangund confirmed when cheetara came out of her cleric clothes, it was lion-o that said cheetara is a cleric.

Tygra already knew, he wasn't suprised.

Yup the crew confirmed that Lion-O who said "Cheetara, she's a cleric?"

stormbringer · 01-01-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o

If she stays with tygra, then she needs to give up her duties as cleric.

I would never want my wife or lover to put her life on the line of another man.

Not only that, but I imagine there'd probably be a lot of jealousy on Tygras part. We've seen Cheetaras special brand of encouraging Lion-o afterall, I don't think Tygra will be able to take too Mich of that!

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L08e16o Survivor of the Anointment Trials Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,481	Quote: Originally Posted by Balgus82 not necessarily. if she thought tygra didn't like her, then she might not want him to know that she liked him. i.e. to protect herself. she didn't know he did until they came out of the astral plane. how about this theory. she liked tygra since she was a kid (as attributed to the flower flashback), but she honestly thought for whatever reason that tygra didn't like her back. so she tried to move on with lion-o. but when she found out that tygra actually did like her back, she chose him. so she could have genuinely liked lion-o, but liked tygra more and just didn't think he felt the same way. and she made the mistake of going to tygra first instead of lion-o, probably planning on telling him the next day or something. That is good, but he winked at her in lion-o ceremony. She knew he liked her. That was a big disrepect to lion-o. He was being very bold. They could have let each other know that they liked each other. Cheetara's feelings were genuine. You can't just pull back and go to the other person like that. Last edited by L08e16o; 01-01-2012 at 09:22 PM..