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And kids shows can have workable romances. The Last Airbender had perfectly good romances. Some people didn't like the pairings in question, but I never heard anyone say they should remove all the romance. This one is just poorly done. I think they either need to give it a huge re-tool, or bring in Bengali and Pumyra and inject some new blood into the mix and change the interactions. |
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I get it, Thundercats has no concrete promise that it's going to run past the initial 26-episode order, but if the first season is such a self-contained arc that ends with [SPECULATION] Lion-O and the other cats defeating Mumm-Ra and saving Third Earth [/SPECULATION] where do they even go from there? I would love for the show to continue past the first season and maybe be a bit more episodic. Some episodes don't really conclude so much as they just seem to stop right in the middle (Journey to The Tower of Omens). It's one of those shows that works better on DVD rather than weekly viewing. |
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Even if she did not lead Lion-O on consciously, she should have apologised to him first. After all, she did admit that she was responsible for some of the tension between the brothers. I guess it doesn’t matter if you like T/C so much that you are willing to accept such idiocy from the writers. Either Cheetara led him on or she is socially inept. Everything is always Lion-O’s fault, Tygra gets a free pass for being a jerk a lot of the time and Cheetara gets no blame for being a tease. Hell, now that Cheetara has stopped, the spirit stone seems to have taken up her job of toying with Lion-O. If the writers want T/C, I’m going to need a little more than a 20 second flashback. |
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Agreed, there was no developing of T/C. Flower that is it. |
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The AP Cheetara gave him some pointers too. :D |
Ya know I really dislike when people start talking about how "Cheetara pressed her boobs against him!"
He had his sword infront of him. She was coaching him on how to use the sword better. People often get behind people they're coaching like that. If you're teaching someone to play golf, you get behind them and hold the club over their hands. If you're teaching someone how to bowl you get behind them and put your hand over theirs. When you're teaching a kid how to write you get behind them and hold their hand over the pencil. When you're teaching a kid how to swing a bat in T-ball, you get behind them and hold your hands over theirs on the bat. etc. etc. etc. And yeah Kit and Kat were acting like they were together, but honestly it's just in Kit and Kat's nature to goof off and play around and not take things seriously. She most likely thought they were joking. The fact that she didn't react to that makes me think even more that she wasn't interested because most of the time if two people are interested in each other, and someone else points out that they'd make a cute couple or whatever they're like "We're not together!" and they're embarrassed (like Lion-O was) that someone else noticed that they liked each other. She didn't get defensive. Cause to her they were just joking around like always. |
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Jaga must have asked her to do that too? |
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But don’t let little things like that spoil your T/C worship. |
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First off, Kit and Kat are repeatedly shown to be very observant, their opinions do matter, and secondly, it's not just them. EVERYONE thought she liked Lion-o. Now, let me state I always assumed she would end up with Tygra simply for narrative balance. It really would have been too heavily weighted in Lion-o's favor otherwise. he gets the sword, the throne, the girl, etc. But the show itself nearly made me think otherwise because they NEVER showed her interact with Tygra, and they played on the Lion-o angle almost every episode. This is not about her not going the way I want, this is about her being written as a tease, something everyone ON the show seems to have confirmed (barring panthro, he thankfully ignores all this). I would actually LIKE Lion-o to go with someone else, like Pumyra. She's not as well known so they could go more unique directions with her than the very famous Cheetarah. That doesn't make it well written. P.S. if this show were better written, a heartfelt apology probably WOULD make Lion-o feel better. |
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What ? I'm suppose to take two 8 year olds as creditable sources on relationships...? Some of you take such little things so personally in this forum. It's mind boggling. |
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These are her exact words when she was behind him. "If you can master Sight Beyond Sight, It will show you what your eyes can't see. But your mind has to be open. Now try again, and this time relax." Oh yeah that's some real hard core flirting right there. What a slut. |
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Calm down, its all discussion. No worries Be happy. |
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And yes, if my coach whispered their suggestions into my ear, no matter how mundane those suggestions, I would consider it inappropriate. And flirting. Would it make them a 'slut?' No. But it would make them a flirt who's crossing the platonic boundary. And in my experience most coaches DO NOT actually do the standing behind you thing because it can easily become inappropriate. It's something that's done on TV and movies, usually for romantic tension. |
Some past L/C moments/pics for discussions references: :D
http://www.thundercats.ws/thundercat.../89/#post29964 Pics assembled By KurtulanSama: Episode 1 http://i.imgur.com/eqnlS.jpg http://....com/34JK3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Zeihp.jpghttp://i....com/qyqb9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wyonD.jpghttp://i....com/IAgHF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HWmoC.jpg Episode 4 http://i.imgur.com/ZPoqH.jpghttp://i....com/9LqsO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XHN4B.jpg Episode 6 http://i.imgur.com/UYZum.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FD9Yq.jpghttp://i....com/zvAZf.jpg Episode 12 http://i.imgur.com/APIxN.jpghttp://i....com/Z1Un2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7hxoo.jpghttp://i....com/WMFh4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AgayO.jpg _______________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint. |
she wasn't whispering at all. She might've been talking in a soft voice, but that's her normal speaking tone. She always speaks in a soft voice (except when she's yelling or fighting).
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Just a mention. People have been comparing the clerics to the SS. Out of curiousity, HAVE you ever seen a SS agent whisper to the president while 'teaching him how to use his sword' and being really close as well as giving the president a kiss on the cheek? There are some things that basically you don't normally do if it's just a 'I'm here to look after you' kind of situation. Just look at Panthro. He's also a soldier but he doesn't go around hugging Lion-O or giving him little pecks on the cheek. He's also probably looking out for Lion-O considering he's the son of one of Panthro's oldest friends. Yet none of this BS ever comes up with him. He acts in a generally acceptable military manner. |
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No one here is saying she's a bad person or irredeemable, all they want is a simple acknowledgment of her mistakes since we're always beat over the head with how wrong Lion-O is all the time. |
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That's true, talking about their feelings would've been better. There's just a few problems with that. 1. That's not what happened. And this is a TV show, so would've/could've/should've is irrelevant. What matters is what DID happen and whether it was well done. 2. That's not even how things usually happen in real life. Humans are not actually that reasonable, we rarely take the time to sit down and reasonably discuss matters. 3. That's unlikely to be how things will ever happen on the show. It's not dramatic. Especially for a kid's show. Kids are unlikely to want to watch a relationship therapy session. |
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Kissing him on the cheek? no, but She only kissed him on the cheek for luck when he was going into an uncertain situation and didn't know if he'd be back. It's like if a solider was going over seas to war and a female friend was with him when he was leaving to send him off. I wouldn't think twice about her kissing him on the cheek for luck. Quote:
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The act of whispering in someone’s ear quite intimately, at least the way she did it, can be inherently flirty. What one whispers about need not matter. However, it was all her actions combined – her tone, the pressing up against him, the whispering in his ear - that made what she did seem flirty. It was the totality of her actions taken within context, not one of them in isolation that made her look like a tease! |
Cheetara got thrown under the Thundertank as a result of the love triangle.
However is there even still a love triangle. Lion-O's behavior towards Cheetara from 14 to 15 has been mostly negative. Tygra has been treating her better. Maybe after the next episode, he'll ease off and apologize on his part. |
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The Elephants had the right idea with their meditation techniques. The having the having and interpretation of visions isn't exactly a "hands on" skill. Anyone else notice that Lion-O was only more distracted by her help in that episode? |
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It wasn't so much as teaching him how to use a specific ability. They were all (including Cheetara) trying to teach him how to calm down, relax, and look at things differently. |
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Actually now that Cheetara is with Tygra, we can actually see how she really flirts compared to season 1.
The whole supposed season 1 flirt lacked some of the supposed moves like the wink, kiss on the mouth, seductive voice, and hugging. There would have been more physical contact. Finally the biggest giveaway is their age. He's a teen and she's an adult. Cartoons have to tread lightly on this subject. Sorta like Finn is a teen and Princess Bubblegum is an adult. He wins her heart then the writers reset it. |
I actually do think Cheetarah has every right to try teaching Lion-o SBS. She thinks it's like the cleric stuff. Fair enough. But that does not mean she needs to, platonically or otherwise, stand behind him and talk/whisper/whatever into his ear.
If you DO stand behind a student, and I don't think most do, you're teaching POSTURE. Why would you do it to teach a mental activity? The writers had her do it to create romantic tension. |
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Cheetara is only 19. Lion-O is 17. She's older, but not overly so.
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2. Sure humans don't discuss these things, but that's when you lose your right to act like an ass because of it. 3. Which is probably why this will be wrapped up in just enough time for Pumyra to make her appearance :rolleyes: |
The love triangle was to add drama and shake things up. Can't do much on group dynamics getting by to survive while traveling the world avoiding capture from an enemy army.
If Cheetara still has something to teach him, then Lion-O has to get over it. Another point lacking from Season 1, Lion-O and Tygra didn't try to flirt with Cheetara. Exception being the Flower bit in the flashback. It was really half sided for her to supposedly do all the work. |
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I don't think either brother got everything they wanted. Tygra or Lion-O.
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Country maybe. I saw Claudus defend Lion-O to Grune in the premiere and Accept his wanting to free the lizards. Claudus only wanted Lion-O to be more responsible, like Tygra was. I don't think he really loved Tygra more. Afterall it was Lion-O that he said he was proud of when he died.
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Lol Jaga should have taught Cheetara how to properly support someone without leading them on. I don't hate her completely I just want the writers to stop destroying her character, the moment she apologizes to Lion-O for everything (she could say I'm sorry I led you on because I don't have a lot of experience with men etc.), I would forgive her and hope that Lion-O moves on with his life.
Quite honestly I was rooting for this couple since my girlfriend is 3 years older than me so seeing as I thought they would end up together I loved it :) |
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