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L08e16o 02-20-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36716)
What they did to Lion-O definetly not a "boot camp deal". Its rather throwing Lion-O in the very depths of Hell without any kind of safety line, to bring him back up.

My CC (Company Commanders) said they wanted to make us mud. I loved boot camp.

Agreed. How many people would be able to go through all that and come out on top? I know I wouldn't.

stormbringer 02-20-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36714)
yeah by destroying Cheetara's character in the process, not proper writing.

They forgot one thing, this is a series not a one-time silver screen deal, they have to make the most number of viewers return to watch what will happen next, instead with 14 they will turn away even more L/C fans.


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It would take a case of ingenious writing to salvage Cheetara now. And ingenious isn't a word I associate with Jelenic and crew.

cmangund 02-20-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36718)
My CC (Company Commanders) said they wanted to make us mud. I loved boot camp.

Agreed. How many people would be able to go through all that and come out on top? I know I wouldn't.

Boot Camp is normal, it is the proper program that will make human stronger than before, but still fully sane. Even the BUD/S training for SEALs are still designed for human.

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cmangund 02-20-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36719)
It would take a case of ingenious writing to salvage Cheetara now. And ingenious isn't a word I associate with Jelenic and crew.

The are "the perfect geniuses" beyond human level of thinking:rolleyes:, that I have a hard time believing that he is even human. what they have written is so hectic, and all over the place, jumping in and out.

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stormbringer 02-20-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36721)
The are "the perfect geniuses" beyond human level of thinking:rolleyes:, that I have a hard time believing that he is even human. what they have written is so hectic, and all over the place, jumping in and out.

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It's like looking into the mind of The Joker.:p

cmangund 02-20-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36722)
It's like looking into the mind of The Joker.:p

Heck even the Joker has a proper goal, conquering Gotham:D

We need to write a fanfic, How Jelenic the Joker met the Joker.:D

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L08e16o 02-20-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36720)
Boot Camp is normal, it is the proper program that will make human stronger than before, but still fully sane. Even the BUD/S training for SEALs are still designed for human.

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Well, BUDS is so different.

They push you past your breaking point.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36722)
It's like looking into the mind of The Joker.:p

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36723)
Heck even the Joker has a proper goal, conquering Gotham:D

We need to write a fanfic, How Jelenic the Joker met the Joker.:D

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The goal is drama and layers.

I was hoping RTE 2 would've shown 16 and 17.

cmangund 02-20-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36725)
Well, BUDS is so different.

They push you past your breaking point.

Yeah but you can drop out of it midway with BUDS.

With Lion-O, he cannot drop out midway, the way Jelenic did to him.


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cmangund 02-20-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36726)
The goal is drama and layers.

I was hoping RTE 2 would've shown 16 and 17.

Yeah at the same time too much drama and layers for a supposed kids show will also be a problem, technically.

Hopefully this weekend.

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L08e16o 02-20-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36728)
Yeah but you can drop out of it midway with BUDS.

With Lion-O, he cannot drop out midway, the way Jelenic did to him.


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I had two buddies fail.

In away he did drop out, literally.:D

That was cute that kit made that face of lion-o.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36729)
Yeah at the same time too much drama and layers for a supposed kids show will also be a problem, technically.

Hopefully this weekend.

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That is what I am not understanding. If this is aimed at kids that have not even hit puberty, then what was the goal of the triangle and death?

I do too.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36730)
I had two buddies fail.

In away he did drop out, literally.:D

That was cute that kit made that face of lion-o.

It is very hard BUDs selections with 90% dropout rate. Will he try the BUDs selections again?

Yeah damn, kit's personality should just be cheetara's. they should switch spirits. So we will get the proper cheetara.:D


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stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36731)
That is what I am not understanding. If this is aimed at kids that have not even hit puberty, then what was the goal of the triangle and death?

I do too.

Maybe the writers are trying to write a soap opera in animated form? But if that's the case, they probably better put it on adult swim.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36732)
It is very hard BUDs selections with 90% dropout rate. Will he try the BUDs selections again?

Yeah damn, kit's personality should just be cheetara's. they should switch spirits. So we will get the proper cheetara.:D


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No, this is a while back.

You use to have to have a tech school to do BUDS, due to the low rate of pasing, they accept anyone that can past the first test.

Kit is betrothed to Aburn.:)

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36733)
Maybe the writers are trying to write a soap opera in animated form? But if that's the case, they probably better put it on adult swim.

Something.

It is like a soap though..

stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36732)
It is very hard BUDs selections with 90% dropout rate. Will he try the BUDs selections again?

Yeah damn, kit's personality should just be cheetara's. they should switch spirits. So we will get the proper cheetara.:D


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Yep. Maybe Lion-o will emerge from the BoO 5 years later and get together with a teenage Wilykit :p

stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36734)
No, this is a while back.

You use to have to have a tech school to do BUDS, due to the low rate of pasing, they accept anyone that can past the first test.

Kit is betrothed to Aburn.:)

Lion-o, having learned the lessons of T/C that to get what you want, be a jerk, will banish Aburn to the Book of Omens.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36733)
Maybe the writers are trying to write a soap opera in animated form? But if that's the case, they probably better put it on adult swim.

JL's Gl/Shaera/Vixen already a soap opera in animated form, but waaaay beter than this. The good thing about Timm and Mcduffie is they will never bother damaging BM/WW and SM/LL ship, they know this is the A-list characters ships and fans will be really angry if they do stuff what Jelenic and crew did to L/C.


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cmangund 02-20-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36734)
No, this is a while back.

You use to have to have a tech school to do BUDS, due to the low rate of pasing, they accept anyone that can past the first test.

Kit is betrothed to Aburn.:)

Oh I see.

Definetly kit/auburn a canon ship:D

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L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36737)
Lion-o, having learned the lessons of T/C that to get what you want, be a jerk, will banish Aburn to the Book of Omens.

Thanks lion-o's next lesson.:D

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36739)
Oh I see.

Definetly kit/auburn a canon ship:D

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Now we need to see how Abrun thinks about it, he already forgot her.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36736)
Yep. Maybe Lion-o will emerge from the BoO 5 years later and get together with a teenage Wilykit :p

The form must be cheetara too, Kit received a DNA transfer from Cheetara, so we will have two exact cheetara's to DNA level only the other one is good (the kit/Cheetara fusion) the other is the Evil Queen with powers from Hades.:D

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cmangund 02-20-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36741)
Now we need to see how Abrun thinks about it, he already forgot her.

Like I said before, Aburn maybe has this special brain cells for romantic conquest thing, so he will remember kit always.:D


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Balgus82 02-20-2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36718)
My CC (Company Commanders) said they wanted to make us mud. I loved boot camp.

Agreed. How many people would be able to go through all that and come out on top? I know I wouldn't.

I mean no offense when I say this, but you're just a normal person.

Lion-O is the prophesied king of legend. He has to go through worse to get that much stronger.

And I mean sure he died, but it didn't seem like it was an overly painful death. It seems (and I say "seems" since I haven't seen the episode) that it was a really quick death. He probably didn't even know he had died if Jaga had to tell him so.

stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36742)
The form must be cheetara too, Kit received a DNA transfer from Cheetara, so we will have two exact cheetara's to DNA level only the other one is good (the kit/Cheetara fusion) the other is the Evil Queen with powers from Hades.:D

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Darth Cheetara The Queen of Evil.:D

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 36744)
I mean no offense when I say this, but you're just a normal person.

Lion-O is the prophesied king of legend. He has to go through worse to get that much stronger.

And I mean sure he died, but it didn't seem like it was an overly painful death. It seems (and I say "seems" since I haven't seen the episode) that it was a really quick death. He probably didn't even know he had died if Jaga had to tell him so.

No offense taken.

The point is, you don't have to die to learn lessons. This is the first hero from a kids cartoon that I saw lose everything and then die to learn a lesson.

He was trapped underwater, so he drown.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36743)
Like I said before, Aburn maybe has this special brain cells for romantic conquest thing, so he will remember kit always.:D


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She just has to play some music and he will remember.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36745)
Darth Cheetara The Queen of Evil.:D

Mumm-ra will start eying The Queen of Evil cheetara to be his queen,
then we will get Mumm-ra/QE Cheetara ship. Its in characters as this is how they have been doing the show.:D

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L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36748)
Mumm-ra will start eying The Queen of Evil cheetara to be his queen,
then we will get Mumm-ra/QE Cheetara ship. Its in characters as this is how they have been doing the show.:D

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We might get everyone dating everyone.:confused:

stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36743)
Like I said before, Aburn maybe has this special brain cells for romantic conquest thing, so he will remember kit always.:D


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Which is why Lion-o will banish him to the Book of Omens.:p

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36747)
She just has to play some music and he will remember.

No doubt, very romantic indeed. Like Bats "I am blue" for WW in JL.:D

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stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36749)
We might get everyone dating everyone.:confused:

Thus begins the soap opera "9 lives of the Thundercats".:p

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36749)
We might get everyone dating everyone.:confused:

How many ships will be in the end I wonder.:D

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L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36752)
thus begins the soap opera "9 lives of the thundercats".:p

:d:d:d:d:d:d

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36753)
How many ships will be in the end I wonder.:D

Won't beat naruto though.

stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36748)
Mumm-ra will start eying The Queen of Evil cheetara to be his queen,
then we will get Mumm-ra/QE Cheetara ship. Its in characters as this is how they have been doing the show.:D

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I can really see this happening.:cool:

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36752)
Thus begins the soap opera "9 lives of the Thundercats".:p

And more love triangle/quadangle/pentangle/tetraangle craziness to come, no doubt:eek:


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Balgus82 02-20-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36746)
No offense taken.

The point is, you don't have to die to learn lessons. This is the first hero from a kids cartoon that I saw lose everything and then die to learn a lesson.

He was trapped underwater, so he drown.

It doesn't seem to me like he died just to learn lessons. It's more like the lessons are a side benefit to the tests he's going through. He's being tested by the stone. Proving his worth. Maybe it can't read his soul like the Eye of Thundera can and this is how it decides if he's really worthy of it.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36755)
Won't beat naruto though.

Naruto sooo many ships like you said.:D


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stormbringer 02-20-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36757)
And more love triangle/quadangle/pentangle/tetraangle craziness to come, no doubt:eek:


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I can't wait till Bengali and Pumyra show up.:D

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 36758)
It doesn't seem to me like he died just to learn lessons. It's more like the lessons are a side benefit to the tests he's going through. He's being tested by the stone. Proving his worth. Maybe it can't read his soul like the Eye of Thundera can and this is how it decides if he's really worthy of it.

He suffers to learn a lesson is what I am saying. That gets old.

I wonder if it is testing his heart. I still think lion-o can unlock more from the sword when he becomes more intune with it. They said he had to pass the trails to get a second chance at life.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36762)
I can't wait till Bengali and Pumyra show up.:D

I bet you we will see them in 17.

More drama.

cmangund 02-20-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 36762)
I can't wait till Bengali and Pumyra show up.:D

Well like I said waaaaay back, it will be hard for them to resist not doing the Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra/Pumyra/Bengali things.:D


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L08e16o 02-20-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36765)
Well like I said waaaaay back, it will be hard for them to resist not doing the Lion-O/Cheetara/Tygra/Pumyra/Bengali things.:D


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No bengali. T/P please.:)

I bet you're right. Lion-o gets his chance with cheetara and bengali moves in to quick. Lion-o has to die again to learn another lesson on being a player.:D

AdamofEternia 02-20-2012 09:01 PM

is every other character gonna learn their own lesson to better them. the crap the writers keep doing is very annoying, the format this show is taking is terrible IMO. it feels like the other thundercats are just vehicles to steer liono in his destined path. the other characters to me don't have an identity due to lack of storyline for them. another problem i have with this show is that, i can't relate with any of the thundercats. i thought i could relate with the brothers but their dislike for each other overshadows their love for each other and especially after the whole cheetara incident. people in this post keep arguing back and forth why each brother deserves cheetara but i think it's terrible how they fought over her. i actually would have thought cheetara being a cleric, would set them both straight. she didn't, instead she added fuel to the already intense fire between the brothers. this is a kids show but yet the message the writers are sending are not a positive one.

cmangund 02-20-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36767)
No bengali. T/P please.:)

I bet you're right. Lion-o gets his chance with cheetara and bengali moves in to quick. Lion-o has to die again to learn another lesson on being a player.:D

Yup T/P.

Lion-O: Darn, just how many times exactly Jelenic will kill me. I am going to renegotiate my contract with Jelenic and make this a proper Lion-O show I am supposed to be the main star here, or I will quit the show.:D


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L08e16o 02-20-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia (Post 36768)
is every other character gonna learn their own lesson to better them. the crap the writers keep doing is very annoying, the format this show is taking is terrible IMO. it feels like the other thundercats are just vehicles to steer liono in his destined path. the other characters to me don't have an identity due to lack of storyline for them. another problem i have with this show is that, i can't relate with any of the thundercats. i thought i could relate with the brothers but their plot isn't that consistent and especially after the whole cheetara incident. people in this post keep arguing back and forth why each brother deserves cheetara but i think it's terrible how they fought over her. i actually would have thought cheetara being a cleric, would set them both straight. she didn't, instead she added fuel to the already intense fire between the brothers. this is a kids show but yet the message the writers are sending are not a positive one.

Excellent.

Agree. If she knew it was causing a lot of problems, then you would think she would've said "I chose no one", but still thanked tygra for what he did. That wouldn've cooled everyone's jets. But she didn't and she hurt both brothers in the end.

Agree with the message.

Agree on the characters.

I like to fine out what is cheetara's real motives. Tygra's past, The kids past.

L08e16o 02-20-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 36769)
Yup T/P.

Lion-O: Darn, just how many times exactly Jelenic will kill me. I am going to renegotiate my contract with Jelenic and make this a proper Lion-O show I am supposed to be the main star here, or I will quit the show.:D


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I hope Tygra is not lion-o's agent.:D

cmangund 02-20-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 36771)
I hope Tygra is not lion-o's agent.:D

Heck, off screen, Lion-O and Cheetara are dating and Tygra really jealous, so being Lion-O's agent and a cartoon movie star too himself, Tygra enlisted Lion-O for this TC cartoon so Tygra will have a chance to "kiss" Cheetara and "date" her and beat Lion-O on screen. :D


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