Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25468)

Darn that will be more nuts too.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25474)

Great job.

I know it would not happen, but I wished she would kiss him while he tried to explain how he feels.

I love to see T/P thing start. You could have tygra watching L/C next to each other and pumyra comes up and talks to him. That could start their relationship.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25476)

Yeah about the Lion-O/Cheetara kiss thing I think it will be pushed to Ep 26

Maybe about Tygra's destiny and connection as prince will be starting in "Native Son" Episode after Lion-O's Trials. Maybe we will be only given hints about Tygra bit by bit until "Native Son"

If we keep on doing this we will be already on Ep 26 by the time EP 14 actually airs:D

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25476)

Yeah about the Lion-O/Cheetara kiss thing I think it will be pushed to Ep 26

Maybe about Tygra's destiny and connection as prince will be starting in "Native Son" Episode after Lion-O's Trials. Maybe we will be only given hints about Tygra bit by bit until "Native Son"

If we keep on doing this we will be already on Ep 26 by the time EP 14 actually airs:D

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25481)

If the ending was real, that would suck. It had to many holes. That is the thing that is hard to accept.

I think that would be a great plot. If tygra had his own crown, that would settle him down.

This wait seems endless.

I could see L/C kissing at the end of season one. It would be done right, not some rush job like E13.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25484)

I wonder what lion-o's trails will be about.

Is it about himself (heart) or is it trails of the Book of Omens?

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25486)

Maybe they will tie the story with Benglali's tribe thing, either about his heart or the book of omens. aside from the possibility Tygra's a prince there.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25487)

And tygra's bethrothed pumyra. Sorry, had to stick it there.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25485)

I know, I hope it will be an illusion too. I am making the scenario with the worst case possible thing that I think will happen , the open triangle.

There's always a possibility that they will kiss in Ep14 because after a lot of fans are this mad, they can add a small kissing scene between Lion-O/Cheetara, it's not that difficult to add a small kissing scene in a completed episode, as far as I know, in JL bruce timm addedd the Wonderwoman flirty face when looking at batman, when batman told her to call him as a last minute change before that episode aired.:D

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25489)

I know, and thanks again for all the hard work. You did an awesome job of analyzing T/L/C.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25490)

No Problem. I will keep on hampering this at least until Ep 14 airs.:D Then I will see what I can get from there.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25467)

This scenario of Ep14 "New Alliances" been trolling in my head:

- Taking into account all the interviews, facts and data, analysis
- Taking into account the easiness of the last episode doing 180 switch in relationship, I will do a 90 switch instead making it an open triangle
- Assuming Bengali and the clan will be introduced in EP14
- Assuming Tygra here is effected by guilt towards Lion-O after the Astral Plane experience and realize that he almost lost his brother the third time because of his jealousy. Not taking into account X-factors.
- Using L08e16o's idea of Lion-O wounded saving Cheetara and his SoO theory.
- Assuming Lion-O will go solo to clear his head from the triangle
- Assuming the ending in Ep 13 it was not an illusion and it was real


He may go solo with his thunder cycle and snarf, but before that he already sabotaged the thundertank and the other thunderscyle so the other’s cannot follow him to search for the next power stone, using the book of omens.

Then the scene switched to the others worried searching for Lion-O, but not to avail, then Cheetara may found Lion-O’s trail and Tygra asked her to follow the trail and gave her a homing beacon for the rest to follow later, since Cheetara is the fastest. Cheetara starting to realize on the why Lion-O left. With Tygra starting to relize it too but Tygra will be busy fixing the thundertank. With Panthro giving advise on fixing it.

Then Lion-O may found a new village where the tribe resides maybe some introduction scenes of Bengali maybe Lynx-O too surprised seeing Lion-O still alive, Pumyra may be attracted to Lion-O a bit but Lion-O won’t notice it. Maybe some background story of the tribe and maybe about Tygra. Then the tribe suddenly was attacked by the Jackal or other species and a big fight soon started. during the fight Lion-O uses the full power of the sword, Cheetara now knows where he is and increases her speed to go to that direction. Lion-O surprised to see cheetara during the fight, got mortally wounded protecting Cheetara during the fight using L08e16o's idea, Cheetara bring Lion-O to safety while Bengali, Pyumra and Lnyx-O and the rest fight off the rest of the attackers.

After all quiet down the scene switches to Cheetara nursing Lion-O while Pumyra help her and notice the closeness between Lion-O and Cheetara so she left to give them some privacy. Maybe Lion-O confess first his feelings for her, but then feel distressed since it is useless she has chosen Tygra, but Cheetara quickly dismissed that idea and said to him that she has feelings for him too and start explaining the past connection maybe L08e16o's idea SoO theory. After that maybe they kissed or the kiss can be pushed down to EP 26, then maybe she will say that now she knows Lion-O’s feelings for her she cannot choose, and Tygra (did not see the kiss if they did kiss) arrived hearing that part will probably say that she does not have to choose not until the time is right, we still have a kingdom to rebuilt anyway, this can wait, and both brothers starting to realize the feud was wrong and maybe Tygra apologizing to Lion-O then ask him to rest and leave Cheetara with Lion-O and the maybe ended with Cheetara holding Lion-O’s hand.

Then the scene switches to Mumm-ra making alliances with other species and build his next generation army. TO BE CONTINUED TO "Lion-O Trials PI" Maybe Lion-O trials episode will involve Benglai's tribe too and the Tygra/Pumyra thing maybe will start from "Lion-O Trials PI."

Originally Posted by AdamofEternia (Post 25494)

you should be one of the writers for this show because that was impressive

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25492)

Make sure you hit that 1K mark.

I hope it is good. I hate to drop this, I have always loved the TC.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25497)

We have beaten TCL's discussions on Ep13, over there they only have reached 780 posts, Over here we are already 1613 posts + 1 with this one:D

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25499)

well, if you're theories are right, ep 14 on tcl will DEFINATELY have a lot of posts!

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25485)

I know, I hope it will be an illusion too. I am making the scenario with the worst case possible thing that I think will happen , the open triangle.

There's always a possibility that they will kiss in Ep14 because after a lot of fans are this mad, they can add a small kissing scene between Lion-O/Cheetara, it's not that difficult to add a small kissing scene in a completed episode, as far as I know, in JL bruce timm addedd the Wonderwoman flirty face when looking at batman, when batman told her to call him as a last minute change before that episode aired.:D

Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules (Post 25505)

buddy I say its mummra behind this. why, because he may want to aattack the brothers from the "heart", to get them to kill eachother. Dont worry L/C is gonna happen

Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules (Post 25506)

:D

Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules (Post 25505)

buddy I say its mummra behind this. why, because he may want to aattack the brothers from the "heart", to get them to kill eachother. Dont L/C is gonna happen

Originally Posted by ThundercatsRules (Post 25505)

buddy I say its mummra behind this. why, because he may want to aattack the brothers from the "heart", to get them to kill eachother. Dont worry L/C is gonna happen

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25504)

If they don't do the illusion, they are going to need a kiss. I don't think the fans will have the patience to wait.

We will need lion-o to tell cheetara how he feels and cheetara leaning in to kiss in on the lips not cheek. If the illusion didn't happen.

I wonder what fan thought of the illusion.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25509)

If the Mumm-ra theory that's going to happen, then that will be cool Mumm-ra must show his cunning side, considering his poor win-loss record lately.:D

And make this whole mess a lot easier.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25510)

snarf may "accidentally" bump to Cheetara to make the kiss happen faster.:D

Originally Posted by AdamofEternia (Post 25508)

it would be the logical plot to cover up the huge holes in that last terrible episode.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25465)

That's right I put it as my avatar image there to help me clear the fungus in my brain form the last episode:D I hope you don't mind.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 25517)

I don't mind. I go the commission started before E13 tho, it kinda ruined it for me.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25514)

It has to be something like that. If that is the real cheetara, then that was poorly written.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25513)

Well he owes lion-o big time. :)

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25537)

Analyzing Semantic nonsense about kisses:

Comparing it with batman/wonderwoman in JL they got 1 cheek kiss ala Lion-O/Cheetara cheek kiss then bats/wondy got making out kiss (3x or more deep lip kisses in one scene) at the end of season 2.:D

So I think what we will get in Ep 14, is a light lip kiss between Lion-O/Cheetara then the real making out kiss could be at E26, or maybe at the end of Pumyra, story arch if they will pair Tygra with Pumyra, maybe Cheetara will see them having a deep kiss (the sub ship Gl/Shaera have a deep kiss in JL, Tygra and Pumyra can be considered a sub ship, if they will do it)and she goes to Lion-O and give him a making out kiss.:D

So the Brothers technically will be equal in terms of the number of female cats they have kissed:

Lion-O: Panthera and Cheetara
Tygra: Cheetara and Pumyra (Tygra may have one more: Mumm-Ra, if Mumm-Ra did disguise himself as Cheetara)

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25554)

I hope they are the final matches. :D

I could see that.

It makes sense if pumyra is with tgyra if they go in that direction. If they are going to do love interest, the hero's interest would get more than 3 episodes. I could see pumyra being connected to tygra more than lion-o. They would need more than 3 episodes to make L/P work. They could flesh out tygra's past with pumyra being involved. That would work and it would not just come out of nowhere. L/C, they could write that in so many ways. As the actress said, L/C is a good story line. I would think L/C will take more than a couple episodes. That would be good writing.

When I first saw the E13, I thought it was mummra. When she said I heard what happen in the AP. Mummra is the only one that knew what happen besides the brothers. He could be controling tygra's mind.

I like the illusion theroy the best.

The next three episodes has lion-o scale tip in his favor with cheetara, then the next three after trails 2 are devoted to tygra with pumyra, helping push L/C closer and not have tygra being jealous.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25554)

As the actress said, L/C is a good story line. I would think L/C will take more than a couple episodes. That would be good writing.

The next three episodes has lion-o scale tip in his favor with cheetara, then the next three after trails 2 are devoted to tygra with pumyra, helping push L/C closer and not have tygra being jealous.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25577)

Yep, illusions the safest way out of this mess. Unless we want to dust off the old Mumm-ra disguised as Cheetara theory.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25576)

Exactly what I am thinking too. otherwise the actress will not say a good storyline if Lion-O/Cheetara failed. the actress will avoid saying about the storyline at all, and no shippy laughs:D

If only we can be certain 100%. X-factors comes to mind again.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25580)

Like you said about the Classic Hero Journey, lead male and female romance is a great stroy line (as she said).:D

Do you see any similarities in between TC and JL?

Story line to me means many episodes or the entire series.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25583)

Ship wise between Lion-O/Cheetara and Batman/Wonderwoman similiraties so far (facts):
- Both got cheek kisses in season 1
- Minor flirtation between bats and wondy in season 1, minor flitration between Lion-O/Cheetara mostly form cheetara in season 1
- Bats lip kissed Cheetah(a replacement for catwoman since catwoman was under embargo at that time and WB did not get the licence for her from DC) in season 1, while Lion-O lip kissed Panthera in season1
- Wondy got lip kissed by Steve Trevor in season 1, Cheetara got lip kissed by Tygra in season1
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Bats/Wondy after season 1:

- bats/wondy started developing in season 2, wondy deduced bats identity when they danced in a party, keep on developing episodes per episode, leads to the infamous making out kiss at the end of season 2, with bats smirking and smiling to wondy at the end of the kiss.
- more bats/wondy developing after season 2. but they never showed them really reaching 100% hookup, but they know each other's feelings that's clear to us viewers. and one of the writer (the late Dwyane Mcduffie) said when batman beyond (bats was a lone old man in batmand beyond, thus fans thought bats/wondy failed) was written, the batman/wonderwoman romance was not written yet. batman beyond did not mean they did'nt get together at some point or that it was not a good relationship, it's just means we haven't seen it yet. In other words bats and wondy hooked up have a good relationship, otherwise he wouldn't need to elaborate on it,

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25579)

If it is Mumm-Ra's doing, then maybe Mummra-Ra controlling Tygra's mind to create those illusions without him knowing like L08e16o said. Or like Big Snarf said Mumm-Ra creating a clone of Cheetara. I think we can dust off the Mumm-ra disguised as cheetara theory.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25577)

Yep, illusions the safest way out of this mess. Unless we want to dust off the old Mumm-ra disguised as Cheetara theory.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25600)

Whatever happen to Batman Beyond?

I always liked Batman and Catwomen.

I think the difference between TC and JL, TC is about lion-o and his classic hero journey. As you mention, hero always gets the lead female.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 25602)

Agreed.

It works for everyone except TCL.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25623)

I don't think the writers really want T/C ,if they did it seems like they'd have written it better.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25623)

I don't think the writers really want T/C ,if they did it seems like they'd have written it better.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 25623)

I don't think the writers really want T/C ,if they did it seems like they'd have written it better.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25604)

In batman Beyond, old bats got heart condition and cannot fight that well again so his son (got the son not in natural way rather than from the Cadmus project continuation Batman Beyond project lead by amanda waller, to ensure that the world will always have a batman)terry become batman, but terry didn't know that bats is his father until JL episode "epiloque". As with catwoman (aka selina) was also refered to in that episode, during the rampage terry learned that bats was infact his father said bats had pushed selina (catwoman), Dick(robin) and barbara(batgirl) away. Wondy was nowhere to be found in this era, thus the alot of the fans pissed off, so Mcduffie responded http://www.thundercats.ws/thundercat.../33/#post25583

As for catwoman and batman in JL universe didn't work out, apparently and no bats/cat ship at all in JL. The writers prefer bats/wondy. In bats/wondy case the writers thought in the long run bats/wondy worked better than bats/cat. Because with bat/cat it was always about the playing around and the thrill of the night, rather than serious relationship. so they go for that bats/wondy route (Most fans of JL went nuts with the bats/wondy pairing like what happened now at TCL, but the writers did not go that way because of the fans went nuts like in TCL, but because of what they saw in bats/wondy pairing, There never were any cases in my experience in WB cartoons that the writers choose certain pairings because of fans went crazy So if most folks at TCL are like that. I wouldn't care because it's pointless, just look at the facts and data out there, and right now all the facts and data are pointing more heavily to Lion-O/Cheetara). Maybe it's because no other woman can stand with bats issues and personality, he admited it to wondy, that he is a rich kid with issues, lots of issues.

Yeah the main difference is that TC is about a classic hero's journey as Jelenic said. But the way this main ship is developing there are similarities between JL and TC.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25624)

Yeah, facts and data said so too. besides the season 1 finale is EP26 not EP13 CN just messed it up chopped the WB already produced 26 season 1 episodes. If they will decide which pairings hapening then it will be at least on EP26.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 25627)

Those crazy tcats comic that you read, do you know who had written them? was warren ellis one of the writers? if it was then we may have a problem.