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It does seem CN put a lot of stock in the toy line. I wonder if they will even think about trying silver hawks. TF toys were always great. |
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In the sports world, if you are not a everything is good fan, then you are not a fan. I agree with 10000000% |
A fan is someone who likes something. If you don't like the show, you're not a fan. If you do like the show you are one. It's pretty simple. Now someone can like the show and dislike certain elements in the show. That's still a fan. But if someone dislikes it to the point they don't want to watch it and want it canceled, then no they're not fans.
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See there is two different thundercats. I don't like the writing, does that make me not a fan? |
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They started off brilliantly with so much potential, and then squandered it. I can understand it if someone doesn’t want more mediocrity. |
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Some people here might be fans of the franchise, or fans of the OS, but that doesn't in any way automatically make them fans of the NS. For example I'd consider myself a Transformers fan. I like Beast wars, Animated, Prime, G1, etc. But I hated Armada and Energon and RID. I'm not a fan of those shows that I hated. That doesn't mean I'm not a Transformers fan, but I'm not a fan of those shows. The folks here who hate the NS are still ThunderCats (the franchise) fans, but they're not fans of the NS. Why would they even want to say they are if they don't like it? |
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I'm not saying fans of the show can't find faults in it. I'm saying if you don't like it at all, and want it to fail....how is that being a fan? |
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Get new writers. Get some female writers and some OS writers. |
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If they get a second season and it sucks, fine throw in the towel or whatever. But I say give the crew the chance to fix the mistakes they made in the first season. First seasons of many good shows are wracked with growing pains and problems. |
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If they are wanting more sales and ratings, they need to listen to other fans. Because the fans that are they happy didn't help the show, they were not the majority of the fan base. I think the crew will again favor those fans again. They are already alienated a fan base that has been threre for a while. |
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As a fan in the "majority", what do you suggest would improve the show that hasn't been suggested by just about every fan? The first season was written and recorded before the premier, so they had no fanbase to favor or alienate. They did what they wanted because it was in their opinion, the right way to go for the story they wanted to tell. Sink or swim. Anywho, the reboot has a very small internet fandom compared to other shows like Young Justice and Korra. I wont say our numbers have not dwindled since the hiatus, but they were always small. |
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MJ did what he wanted too, now the NS is on life support. He did this in BM brave and bold; which didn't get a second season like the Justice League. I am all about getting rid of the writers. Any time you say stuff happens off screen is lazy or we want to you to figure it out. I can see the DC stuff, they have established fans. TCats have been around a lot longer than Avatar. MJ had a golden chance and he blew it. |
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This show does not have a huge internet fanbase. The ratings are decent, but for some reason or another children are not asking for Tcat toys. The internet fanbase alone is NOT going to save this show. So they could listen to us complain and moan all day about this or that, but if the toys don't sell, then bye bye Tcats. I'm hoping our interest and the decent ratings will be enough to get the big wigs to try another approach with this toy line. I don't know crap about how that works, but it wouldnt hurt to advertise a few toy commercials during the premiers and maybe let it rerun a few more times a week. |
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The Model A exists exactly because of those points. Ford wasn't selling Model T's (like they had prior), they were losing huge amounts of market share to the company that would become GM, and their gimmick of a cheap car didn't hold public interest. Henry Ford wanted to just stick with the Model T, insisting that he knew what buyers wanted and that he was right, but was eventually convinced that the company would fold if they didn't do something. So the Model A was created in response to people exercising their option to not buy their product that they knew they'd never get back with any adjustment they made to the Model T. The Model A was created to fullfill the demands of the public, whose interests had changed since the introduction of the Model T and no longer followed the same views that the aging Henry Ford thought was the attitude they should have. No one would've accused Henry of not loving Automobiles or the process, but at the time no one thought Henry actually understood what a consumer wanted in an automobile anymore. They were right. Similarly, the reason so many TV shows are cancelled is exactly that, to be removed and replaced by something that does better, or at least something execs hope will do better. There are thousands of examples of the exact reverse of your statement I couldn't possibly list them all. Even the adage, "You don't fix what ain't broken" is a testament to your statement being false. Quote:
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I've had over 20 people sign the petition so far and I'm hoping that my other 700 FB friends will do the same. This show definitely needs a second season!!!
I agree with what Joe wrote. Cartoon Network dropped the ball in marketing and advertising Thundercats. As for the toys, I think the quality could have been better but I think the sales are not as good, not because the toys are bad or kids don't want them but because parents are watching what they buy in this economy. I'm not sure how true this is but someone from Deviant art is saying WB has cancelled the show. I really hope that it's not true and if it is we need to keep urging people to sign the petition. You can read the comments here about the show being cancelled. Thundercat48 on deviantART deviantART: Thundercat48's Journal I really love this reboot. I've been a huge fan since the original and I actually like the ns better. I also really want to see how this story ends. Cartoon Network really sucks in not promoting these great shows and for canceling them after just one season. It reminds me of Symbionic Titan where they cancelled it right after 20 episodes. Here's the link again to sign the petition. It's at 604 right now and looking to try and reach 1000. Let's keep trying to save Thundercats!!! http://www.change.org/petitions/warn...another-season |
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Were things like this in the TF fandom when Beast Wars was released? Coming from a fanbase who has seen a lot of reboots and reimaginings, I can see all the mistakes our fanbase made, being made here over and over again - the difference is, unlike Transformers which has always been present since 1984, there is a good chance that if Thundercats goes away now, it will never come back. |
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BB: I'm not sure how bad it was back in Beast Wars' premier, as I didn't have the internet at the time. Though, I hear it was pretty bad. And yes, I'm from the Allspark. Chances are, if you see a "LioConvoy" on-line somewhere, it's me. :P |
You guys do realize that you tend to start your discussions with how terrible we all are, and what horrible fans this site has, then you're surprised you get some push back? Again, I think the majority of people on this site enjoy the show and want it to succeed. I'm tired of militant fans from both camps (if you don't love EVERYTHING about the new series, or have doubts about its future, you're a hater or a troll and a bad fan. Or, EVERYTHING about the new series is garbage, and the producers of the show hate our childhood and are trying to destroy the brand.) Both sides are wrong, and both sides are exhausting to listen to. If you want civil, fun discussion, then act civilized...
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WW movie didn't sell that well. I believe the approach of how they did this seires is what hurts them. As a kid, I liked lion-o because he was great and he was at the front of everything. You knew he was the hero of the show. I don't get that from this seires. Kids want their heros to be cool and awesome. Lion-o isn't. The first toy we bought of the old TCats was Lion-o. Second one depend on the kid. I had cheetara next. The ratings are simular to the ratings of others shows and they spent a lot on the animation in this show. |
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I don't see why small children wouldnt find Lion-O cool. He jumps around with a power sword that shoots beams. I remember my little brother used to pretend he could shoot spirit bombs like Goku from Dragon Ball Z. Lion-O's THUNDERCATS HO sequence is just as cool as that. I'm not sure if "being Batman" helped that series. The biggest complaint was "THIS IS NOT MY BATMAN". It was drastically different from what we'd come to expect from the franchise, and the corny jokes ticked a lot of fans off. Eh, take it for what it is, and then you can try to enjoy it. |
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I think some series should just leave out the romance. You knew Goku was the greatest in the group. He always powered up. Even though Goku's fights might take 50 episodes, it was better than lion-o's one hit battles. This is where I have problem with the series beside the writing. I never got the feeling lion-o was like the OS (powerful). He just seemed like a regular joe that was forced into being a king. The SoO and the Spirit Stone are what saves him. IMO, he has not improved. I just feel without the SoO and SS, he is nothing. In his fights with mummra, they are one shot defeats. Same with Rata-o. I think kids like more from their heros. You knew lion-o was the hero in the OS, this one is different. I don't understand why they wouldn't try animating super Heroines. I enjoy the animes with heroines being the lead. |
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He had also started The Henry Ford Motor Company and what happened to it? He was forced out because the board didn't like what he was doing. They went on to rename the company Cadillac. How did he start the Ford Motor Company? He made a race car and won some races, allowing him to get enough investor interest to start again. He had no running start. He succeeded with a product he made in a shed that thanks to a slightly different design from everyone elses; enough that it didn't fall under the patent for the internal combustion engine that was hampering other manufacturers which required them to pay astronomical fees to use the popular combustion engine design at the time and managed to convince enough investors to give him a chance to see a return on that investment. Then he failed. A lot. It was one of his fresh starts that did pay off for him ultimately and he nearly lost it because of his unwillingness to realize what he was doing wasn't working. Quote:
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This series has done the reverse, it started with a lot of fan love and then lost them as the series progressed, creating a divide between those who the new series lost and disenchanted and those who like it as well as those desperate to hold onto anything that has the TC brand name. |
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Shows can get better. Some shows learn from their mistakes and improve in later seasons. A "sophomore jinx". Even Bruce Timm turned around Justice League after his first season mistakes. Beast Wars jumped in quality from season to season. |
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Wonder Woman Fan Film Blog | Wonder Woman Fan Film The writer of the movie said "I used Batman and Robin because their presence draws a sharp contrast to the worldview Diana inhabits (and because I love Batman and Wonder Woman’s dynamic on Justice League).":D http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net...jpg?1337927468 https://fbcdn_sphotos_g-a.akamaihd.n...18472743_n.jpg And her costume looks way cooler than the canceled Live action WW TV thing not so long ago. So in short yes the BM/WW thing is big. But MJ tends to do stuff his way. I agree if you cannot do romance just don't do it. It can destroy a show. ________________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. |
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Thanks. At least they listen to their fans and share information with their fans. TCrew doesn't say anything, if they do it is a tease to keep people watching the show. |
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Yeah instead of the NS crew saying "Oh wouldn't you want to know..." on NS crew tumbler when asked about the triangle and other stuff that MJ said such as I am all for iconic stuff, etc. They should just say it "No L/C ship all was just a lie." especially after Ep 13. Being honest goes a long way. Like William Shakespeare said "Honesty is the best policy." But alas "honesty" not MJ and crew's MO apparently. And there's a BM/WW parody complete with costume movie with Leslie Bibb on Playing Wonder Woman in Movie 43 "I’m Wonder Woman and I have on this amazing wig and the whole getup, which was pretty fantastic. And I’m crazier than bat sh*t. Like, she is really crazy, and so it was really fun " http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movie...#ixzz1f7du054D Though "batman" and "ww" in this will be crazy as in really crazy :D:D ________________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. |
I just heard about Thundercats possibly being canceled. I truly hope this isn't the case.
I loved the original series, and grew up with it. Thundercats finally comes back, and is going to fall victim to Cartoon Network's standard cancellation nonsense? I'm going to be distinctively angry. I'm getting very, very tired, of any series that I happen to take an interest in, to the point of actively collecting it, getting canceled. I will happily write a strongly-worded letter to whoever I need to. I am not going to lose out on completing my Thundercats collection, neither Modern nor Classics, unlike Transformers: Animated. This goes the same for the series. |
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The Nerdist is behind us (even if the article's a bit poorly researched)? Oh sweet!
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MTV Geek – Is ‘ThunderCats’ Canceled? Can You Save Third Earth? |
I seem to remember that they said that CN ordered Season 2, correct? If I'm wrong on that, someone correct me.
Season 1 was 26 episodes. This is confirmed by the way the DVD releases are. If this last episode WAS the end of the run, I hope that WB tries to sell it to Nick. At least Nick will give it a chance, unlike CN. |
Nick could stick the Avatar crew on it...
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Thundercats Cancelled
I hate it when network's move what is a hit show onto another day and time because people who are use to show being on a certain day and time sometimes forget when it is and wouldn't watch it. I think that is what happened to Thundercats CN made the idiot move to put it on Saturday mornings instead of leaving it on the day and time it was on before where people knew where it was perhaps it wouldn't have been cancelled.
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I dunno, frankly, I hardly ever watched anything on TV anymore for close to 10 years. With a HD monitor and a PC - and the internet -, I can watch anything on my computer without having to watch adverts or having to worry about missing the time a show airs.
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And your right. When people can go online and download the series in HD, why would they downgrade to DVD quality? This is where Blu Ray would have been the answer. |
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