Well really he destroys the star in the center of that solar system. But killing the star pretty much means death to the rest. And he didn't use his magic or anything to do it, he sent out a satellite/bomb or something from his ship.

ah, I see. Makes you wonder why repairing the ship isn't priority number one if it has that kind of power.

well until he finds the sword/stones, destroying the planet would kinda be overkill, don't ya think? lol

Look who has both swords. There goes one theory.

"You're crazier than Kaynar!" LMAO

This is really just my personal preference, but basically this. I mean, the show might just turn Pumyra into a replacement cheerleader, and I wont like it.
Eh, don't want to give you the wrong impression with the dominant/submissive thing. I just don't want to see anyone really, just shot down because Lion-O is ruler and they must always obey. What if he's wrong? What if someone else has a better idea? The whole idea just freaks me out, especially when it comes to a romantic relationship. I know he wouldn't treat his GF like crap, I just want a better dynamic between him and his love interest. Once again, personal preference. Who knows what the shows going to give us as far a group dynamic( post trials), I'm just talking personal preference here.

What I want, and what I'll get are going to be two different things. I want to feel like both parties are comfortable speaking up. Everyone shutting up because he is king is just not my thing. It just annoys me. Personal preference. Ugh, now that I'm getting this all out, maybe I wont ship
Lion-O with anyone...:(
I get that he is King and this is his show, but I guess I don't want to see the romance handled so...cold I guess,It wont be any fun for me. Cold is probably not the best word. I know Lion-O is not some heartless bastard.
I certainly don't want to see someone defined by Lion-O, or Tygra.

Overall, I think the having someone else issues dealt with is probably what I'm asking for. Not only will it develop who ever she is, but we can get another side of Lion-O (Native Son).
kind of went over board with the "personal preference" thing. Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to be a jerk or abrasive. Too lazy to edit (;

Both the SoP and the gauntlet are glowing pinkish, but not the SoO nor Lion-O's gauntlet, and I can see them attached to his hip. The crystals/rocks around them are glowing reddish... I am guessing that's some other area of Ratar-O's mine but I'd really like to know where they are and the reason for that unhealthy glow in Mumm-Ra's weapons.

know after reading all the possibilities and the amount of detail that you look at the series, from my point of view I think is very good I really like, is like Batman we saw in the 90 `s and now the batman The Dark Knight. and I think it buenisimo - IMO -. it's like when you read a book and then make a movie, there are many details that one finds but still the same, equal but not the same. and in this case is very good. (as happened with The Lord of the Rings)

I'm gonna be frank, it sounds like you've got two problems that are kind of mixing together. On one side you've got the standard feminist ideal that women aren't property and have the right to opinions and so on. And on the other side you have the modern liberal idea that people in general are equal and a relationship should be a partnership between equals. These are both theories that I agree with and believe in.

But I don't think a king fits into them, largely because both belief were created largely in rebellion against the patriarchal authority that a king represents. (I'm getting deep here) Saying no to a ruler is complicated. Any good ruler knows how to listen to council, but it's not the same as with you and me. The council doesn't literally tell the king NO, they just sort of respectfully disagree.

I agree this can be cold, but like you said, I think the way they can have fun with this is to grab hold of the fact that he's king and basically make it the centerpiece. The old 'see past the crown to the real man' story that's been done forever. It's a good plot, and it would work here. I think to have a LI just ignore the fact that he's king would be disrespectful to him and weird, given how much focus they've put on the 'i'm the king, you have to follow my orders' stuff in this series.

And hopefully, despite or because of this, they'll deal with her issues too. But it's also important to note that a big part of being a good queen was being supportive of the guy with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Not very equal/feminist, but monarchy wasn't a very equal/feminist institution.

I'll say this for Pumyra though, while she is already turning into a big fan of Lion-o, she certainly seems to have her own opinions. Most subjects wouldn't judo-throw their king to the ground. So she may be just what you're looking for.

Recall the OS episode 'All That Glitters" we see Lion-O and Tygra fighting and the Sword being broken. We also get some tastey Lion-O/Cheetara hintings in that episode as well.

Danny Norton is posting comments? I must check this out!

I see that poster getting onto Daniel and Daniel crawling into a fetal position and sucking his thumb. Whoever that Nick guy is, thumbs up for taking Daniel to the woodshed over the poorly done (and apparently a BS lie) love triangle and working the guy over. Daniel Norton was just outmatched and outclassed.

Daniel Norton called Cheetara an anorexic ho?

More proof Daniel Norton is nothing but a misogynist.

maybe the writers plan on ripping off the OS episode "All that Glitters" and have the brothers fight. Although if they did, I would dread it since the TC Staff is so buttkissingly obsessed with making Tygra the ultimate Gary Stu.

Hate to say it but I'd love to see this Tygra get splattered all over the place and Bengali fill the slot. The reboot Tygra is just too 180 degrees for my liking. All the other cats excpet Tygra have elements of their OS counterparts.

I recall all the abilities it used to have. Now, it's just a big toothpick.

Dan gave one of the most pathetic excuses ever right there.

Well said and I couldn't agree with you more about Dan Norton's post as well as the way the series is going. Although, I still find enough good things about it to watch but i will say those good aspects are circling the drain quickly.

Too true. The piolt got me all kinds of fired up but every episode after just kept putting out that fire.


Sadly, it seems the TC reboot is destined for the same results as He-Man and Voltron.

This is true but one would think after completing the Trials, SOMETHING would have been upgraded.

With the sheer amount of chutzpah and self-absorbed narcissism Dan Norton showed in those posts, I doubt it. Seems he was more-so trying to come up with a petty excuse because he couldn't succeed in countering the well thought out and formulated points raised against him.

The OS berbil episode where Lion-O summons an energy shield with the sword to drive of the giants...brilliant!

WB and the TC Crew should be brought up on charges.

I agree with you and that Nick guy 100%. Seems Daniel threw a bit of a temper tantrum after and started slinging insults because his excuses failed.

Those posts from Daniel Norton do serve one good thing though. They show that HE is the inspiration for all of Tygras flaws.

retcon definition

/ret'kon/ retroactive continuity.
The common situation in fiction where a new story "reveals" things about events in previous stories, usually leaving the "facts" the same (thus preserving continuity) while completely changing their interpretation.


All of Tygra's 'flirting" can also been seen as simply in his character. The wink - Tygra is a flirt with the ladies. Easily seen within his character and even stated in the show.

Tower of Omens, they all looked pretty impressed.

The race - again, within tygras personality to "show off" that he is better than Lion-O. As a matter of fact, that is the overall feel i took away from the scene; not that Tygra was trying to impress Cheetara but more so that he just wanted to make Lion-O LOOK BAD.

There are those who do/did pay attention and watch the episodes and they saw Lion-O/Cheetara.

So true. Seems quite a few are calling foul on the way it was done. Also seems like Daniel Norton can't accept the fact that fans find fault with the show. I guess he is just too headstrong to grasp that no show is perfect and fans will find faults.

You are aware that in the OS and this reboot Lion-O is the central character?

I'm sorry but I thought this was the place to come and dicuss things. Do you live in China? In America we have this thing called a Constitution and the first Amendment to it allows us to come to places like this and discuss.

You always have the option to leave.

well said and thank you

Thus far, all I have seen are complaints about legitimate flaws in the show.

You and that Nick guy who schooled Daniel Norton seem to share many of the same points and both of you are amazing when it comes to delivering those points.

As I read the debate between Nick and Daniel, I found myself amazed that WB would even employ such a person.
Rude, crass, childish all describe DN.
Lackluster, pathetic, and all around shoddy describe DN's excuses for the shows failings.

I am more inclined to believe that "stolen moments" thing was just thrown out by Daniel because he was getting his block knocked off and was desperate to get out of an unwinnable situation so he just said something moronic as usual that opened up more questions than anything else.

Ummm, no it's not Balgus. I'm looking at that thread right now. That is one of the EXCUSES he used but that Nick guy was right on the ball with a counter of: "
The flaw with your analogy is it lacks that third party to make it a love triangle. It also lacks that third party coming in at the last minute with some bupkis backstory detailed in brief flashbacks about knowing the beautiful girl longer and winning her heart BEFORE the young boy ever even knew of the beautiful woman. It also lacks the third party complaining that nothing about the young boy is fair and that he doesn’t deserve the girl. All of which directly relate to the TC love triangle."

Now, let's post what daniel Norton ACTUALLY said about the Triangle: "You're mislead to believe it's a relationship between two but the flashback reveals where the other relationship started. If you remember, Tygra was flirting with her during the sword ceremony from the first episode. Though we haven't shown it at this point, you don't know how many times they have stolen moments during their paths crossing before. But the most pivotal moment in Cheetarah's life was joining the Clerics. Tygra helped her achieve that. Lion-O is an assignment. She saw something special in him and she supported him, period."


Sorry balgus but according to DN, there never was a triangle, Tygra and not Jaga was solely responsible for Cheetara becoming a cleric and Lion-O is just Cheetara's 9-5 job.


You can defend DN all you want but from what I am reading all DN did was show show just what type of spoiled, low class individual he really is.

That Nick guy brought it up to Daniel. DN's rely was that flowers are important to girls and that more than the flower giving has taken place but they just never showed it.

Yet again it was another pathetic excuse by DN. My God DN just looked like arank amateur and an abject failure in that debate.

I am a lion-o fan. IMO, MJ has made tygra outshine lion-o.

Except in Braveheart, the two knew each other practically since birth. All the TC crew showed was that Tygra gave Cheetara directions, then stalked her like a date rapist than gave her a flower after he tried to kill Lion-O.

As Nick pointed out to DN, Cheetara was shown choosing Tygra because of who he WAS then and not who he IS now and that was just 180 degrees against her character.

Holy Poopins! CC, AWESOME post.

And let's not forget, while Tygra's flower gave her hope she would become a cleric, every aspect of Lion-O's being gives her hope they will triumph and survive.

The simple fact is, it is obvious Lion-O has given more and done more for Cheetara but the TC crew don't take things like that into consideration. All they care about is what makes THEM happy, not what makes the fans happy.
That much is obvious in Daniel Norton's facebook exchange.

Stolen moments to me meant off screen. I know that is a bad excuse, but that is what I got from it.l

But not Lion-O's heart. That warm ball of gold was gonna be all Cheetara's but poor writing dictated she choose Tygra's lump of tar-waste.

The difference is that Gurren Lagann is an AWESOME show and TC isn't. At that level anyway. When Lion-O can frigging bend space-time with the power of his awesomeness, then maybe I'll think differently.

More like the writers are falling into the 'tell, not show' trap. It's not an uncommon one and if any of you have ever read fanfiction, you would know what I mean -_- Some examples in actual published fiction, Star Ocean III? The big reveal? Yeah, that was out of frigging nowhere. You're playing a JRPG about some people who were out to save their universe from the big bad, only to discover that the party? They're actually NPCs in a giant MMO. The big bad? The server administrators. That TOTALLY came out of nowhere with no frigging hints at all during the entire game. Others off the top of my head, the romance with Ginny and Harry (did I miss something in the first 6 books that would have indicated this??), most movies by M. Night Shyamalan; EXCEPT the 6th sense cause that one you already had the feeling something was very wrong with Bruce Willis character.

It's sorta like playing with a DM who springs major stuff on you with no foreshadowing.

Eh, didn't like the YJ timeskip for several reasons. One was that it was too long of a time skip. It sort of killed the momentum of the cliffhanger from S1. They couldn't find anything out about the Light for 5 years? Really?? Secondly, the disappearance of too many old characters. For one thing, considering they replaced most of their cast except for Superboy and Ms. Martian *both of whom I find boring anyway*, it's kind of a slap in the face to the S1 fans. Because the S1 characters are the ones the S1 fans have gotten close to, the ones they've rooted for and suddenly they're gone just like that in S2 with no explanation. This doesn't seem like good writing to me. At least with the transition from JL to JLU, you still saw the core 6 very frequently.

This is pretty my OTP of the series. The only relationship without bs drama.

Um...most if not ALL of the people he's been travelling with WOULD judo-throw him to the ground. Lion-O doesn't really get much respect from the rest of the cats.

Plus they really tried to push the "love triangle is important to the story".

That is debatable.

1. Jaga wanted her to learn patience. She failed the initial test due to her lack of it. Sitting on the steps to near death could be pointed out as enough reason to allow her in.

2. It could be argued that it is not within Jaga's nature to leave her to die on the steps thus he would have brought her in even without the flower.

3. Tygra didn't know anything about the properties so he had no way of knowing it would help or not.

4. Considering how easily replacable the characters are, it doesn't strike me as any kind of defining moment. Simply because it just as easily could have been Lion-o giving her the flower.

5. Sounds like you are trying to make brownie points with DN by parroting the poor excuses DN used on FB. Are you by chance that Phillip person I see also commenting on FB?

I'm right there with you man. It seemed like every episode we were seeing things that were so "out there" it was awesome. The Living Ooze, The Enflamer, Mandora, and one of my personal favorites; The Black Widow Shark are just a few that come to mind.

I feel like those creatures, allies, enemies, and environments are a reflection of how the writers of the OS were free to create very crazy things, and it worked.

And that can't cause a change of heart?

Are you now going to parrot DN's excuses about "first love" "crushes" and all his other laughable remarks?

Not just your opinion. Seems a LOT of fans find it to be a cop out.

LOL.:D:D

MJ said he is going upstage tygra. I have never seen a crew dump so much on the hero.

Exactly. Which is why the flower makes no sense as a definign moment for the relationship between Tygra and Cheetara. I hold that it was just a poorly planned, written and executed plot hole.

Jaga didn't decide that, the Spirit Stone did. Besides, Jaga and Lion-O were both already dead when Lion-O offered his sould. Both Jaga and Cheetara were very much alive when Jaga tested Cheetara's patience.

You compare apples to oranges and expect to get strawberries Balgus.

Plus they said misdirections. Is it only to PO fans of L/C or will we see more of it.

First love crushes is BS especailly for 12 year old kids.:rolleyes:

I am confused. I've heard/read that Daniel Norton was the one saying Cheetara was an anorexic ho.

Agree.

In BUD/S (SEALS) training, they push them to go beyond their limits. If you can't you fail.

They clerics were the best, Jaga was testing her.

Again gotta disagree with you. being that he was testing her payience, it makes sense that he left her out for so long.....to test her patience.

Leaving her out for a day and then saying "Okay, long enough. C'mon in for tea and crackers" is just a moronic way to test patience.