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Anyone have spoilers for next weeks ep? (Irish people I'm looking at you) Could you send me personal message with the details its killing me to wait. :D:D:D
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I just want to make two things clear.
1. Cheetara has NEVER disobeyed a command from Lion-O. Lion-O did not order her to keep fighting. 2. Cheetara was completely justified in thinking the mutants might take them prisoner. They DID keep them prisoner in this very episode. If they're the cold blooded killers absolutely guaranteed to kill them instead of taking them prisoner they'd ALL be dead right now instead of just Lion-O. |
I was talking about Cheetara and Tygra's cuffs, they aren't there in one scene, then they are in another. And i rewatched and the only thing stopping them is the Lizards, since Slythe, Addicus and Kaynar are all around Lion-o and near Kit, but again, the cuffs aren't there.....hopefully they'll fix the animation errors for the DVD release.
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Yeah, it's hateful :) But that's how it was written to justify the trials. |
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So the authors chose to make Addicus and Kaynar viable enemies and Lion-O to make a bad call. However, they decided to throw Cheetara under the Thundertank with that stupid decision to cover Lion-O's bad call. |
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2) In the latest episode, Slithe and the Generals only kept the Cats alive until they got confirmation that Lion-O’s body (and the Gauntlet) couldn’t be found. Cheetara was justified in thinking they would take them prisoner? After Slithe spent the entire season hunting them down and almost killing them on one occasion? That must be some twisted logic on her part then. On the other hand, Lion-O had every reason to assume that surrender would lead to death not capture. |
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I remember, in the last thread someone used the analogy of the Secret Service. If the Presidents bodyguard had to chose between him and the Vice-President, who do you think would be chosen? This is certainly not an easy choice but a Cleric who would put the life of a Prince over the life of the King should not be serving in that role. |
Seriously, look at the first screen cap, the new Thundertank looks like two cats having sex.
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I never noticed that....why would they put that in a kid's cartoon? Surely some kids have seen their cats do that before they were fixed?
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1. Intentions or not he didn't order her to do anything so she was not disobeying any orders. Saying she was is just incorrect. You can't disobey an order that you were not given. 2. The fact that they did take them prisoner this time means the chance was there for them to take them prisoner the last time. Death was not certain. Also they didn't just suddenly decide to kill them when they couldn't find Lion-O. they only tried to kill them after Tygra started mouthing off at Slithe. They certainly didn't just keep them around until they made sure they couldn't find the gauntlet. That makes no sense. Holding them prisoner wouldn't help them find it now would it? |
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1) I did not say she “disobeyed” him. You are right; Lion-O did not give her an outright order. She did defy Lion-O though, right in the middle of a battle. He was planning on continuing the fight and he was clearly taken aback by her actions and tried to reasons with her. That would indicate to any rational person what was intended. 2) Slithe seems to decide to kill the Cats after he gets confirmation that the lizards could not find Lion-O’s body. Addicus makes a remark of there not being “anything left of them” and Slithe confirms that saying “I can assure you Addicus, there won’t be.” Also, you are using the events that took place this episode to justify Cheetara’s actions last episode. Using all available information up to episode 14, Lion-O made the right call while assuming the worst possible outcome. Cheetara was simply too busy cheerleading for Team Tygra. |
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The real truth is, Lion-O is at fault for the whole fiasco. He made the decision to jump head first solo into the group of 3. Tygra and Cheetara of their own free choice chose to assist him after he told them not to bother. Lion-O's decision was very reckless and bad. This choice was not made with sound logic, wisdom, or planning but on pure emotion. He still allowed his personal issues with his teammates to cloud his judgment. This was the same pure emotion for choosing to go up that path which made them vulnerable to attack, his team mates got captured, and led to Lion-O getting killed. So practically the show actually punished the King for his reckless decisions. |
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old lion o beat panthro, cheertra , thunderkittens, tyrra and mummra in old thundercats series
writers mix up 5 trials |
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If Lion-O wasn't so pigheaded, he could have made use a decent ambush. Tygra has a freaking sniper rifle, he could have taken one of the three out then provide support to Lion-O and Cheetara. One dead and the other two captured or killed. Lion-O's personal issues and bad judgment blew a big opportunity to take out Mumm-ra's generals. |
I see you conveniently didn’t reply to my statement that a bodyguard would give precedence to the King over a Prince.
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Along the same lines, Tygra was equally idiotic seeing as the only thing he could do was smirk at Lion-O when Cheetara rubbed it in. |
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Keeping them both alive gives them better odds at someone in the Royal Family surviving when those unsuspecting things like sickness could happen. Quote:
They were on a cliff staying low and peering at a downward at the path the Lizards were traveling. For the past moments of that episode, they were setting up ambushes. Quote:
The tape shows it. Lion-O is at fault for not only choosing to go solo suicidal, but he forced her on the spot to make a call. Not all of Cheetara's powers have been fully exposed. One of them her old counterpart has is "Sixth Sense" which can conveniently be used as a plot device to explain why she surrendered. She did it to buy time because her sixth sense foretold Panthro was going to show up. If the show decides to go there. For an explanation as to why she wouldn't outright mention her sixth sense, she could consider it a curse. |
This continues to be an incredibly frustrating show.
It's great in so many ways, but every single episode does something that is so fundamentally flawed that it threatens to bring the whole show down. In this episode: 1.The total regression of Lion-o and all of the cats becoming pricks for no real reason. 2. The fight scenes once again had everyone forget half their powers for no real reason. The Thundercats are NOT all-powerful; it would be possible for them to lose even in a well-written fight. The fact that the writers seem to think they can only lose if they magically forget half their weapons and skills is just poorly done. 3. Tygra and Cheetara are quickly becoming a perfect example of why armies don't allow fraternization. Crap like this happens. Cheetara's understandable desire to protect the one she loves leads to the enemy having an easy advantage over her. 4. The triangle itself needs to end. I am fine with Tygra and Cheetara being a couple, but if she 'always liked Tygra' then stop writing her as a tease. It's beginning to get absurd. Bring in Pumira for Lion-O, or a new character, or do something weird like having Kit and Kat get aged by something so Kit can be a love interest(THAT would be a departure from the OS), but stop writing cheetara as a giant tease. Romance yes, triangle no. 5. stop undoing previous developments. Allow Lion-o to actually grow. When he finishes these trials, he shouldn't be so perfect that you have to forget his development next time you want him to learn something. He can learn these lessons, stop being an idiot, and then learn other, NEW lessons later. These writers seem to think there is only one lesson, and Lion-o has to keep learning it over and over. |
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Tygra gets killed. Then it becomes a two on three in which Cheetara and Lion-O are overpowered, defeated, and killed. Tygra gets killed. They hold their own until Panthro shows up. He sees Tygra dead. Panthro asks what happen, Cheetara tells him about Lion-O decision that led to this point. Panthro tears into Lion-O for such a stupid decision. Things are much worse for the group after mourning the loss of Tygra. Cheetara becomes distant with Lion-O. The others develop a mistrust in Lion-O since his decision led to the death of Tygra. Cheetara made the call of the lesser two evils. |
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Actually there was only 1 lizard tank and 3-4 enemy lizards in th scene. In Lion-O's point of view, they could take it down and his intentions were at the right place. If he had seen Addicus and Kaynar, he would probably lay low to gather more info. In ep 12 cats chose stealth(until Kit jumps to save Abburn) because there were too many lizards and elephants were hostages so we know Lion-O is capable to lay low when the odds are against him. @Singe, I told this more than enough times, Tygra is a trained warrior. Even I have enough training to dodge the fatal blow and free myself. There is more enough chance for Tygra to survive. Spears actually aren't that dangerous if you don't put enough force behind it. So kaynar would need to pull the spear back to do a decent stab. That would provide Tygra tho time he needs to dodge. After the dodge Kaynar would lose balance... so on and on... |
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As for your hypothetical scenario, go write fanfiction. Here, I can do it too. Tygra doesn't get killed, Cheetara and Lion-O successfully fight off the two generals while Tygra somehow manages to escape like he did in this episode and then everyone lives happily ever after. That's the thing about hypothetical scenarios, they're utterly stupid because anyone can come up with them and people who try to use them in an argument are usually the ones who can't come up with any CANONICAL evidence to support their own damn arguments |
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Love it when two people on this discussion board, who have similar names start battling each other on posts. Makes things more enjoyable. :D:p;)
The true king of the Thundercats is the Lion-O I have as my avatar!!! |
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Lion-O and Tygra both living are better odds than just Lion-O after losing Tygra. |
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And your weird backwards logic about how a bodyguard would protect the second-in-line to her actual charge at the detriment of the person she should be protecting is... strange. That's like saying the secret service would protect the vice president first so he can replace the president that they just failed to protect. They would not. The president takes priority. Next-in-line is just that, NEXT. That's why you would not make the vice president's wife the leader of the secret service; she would start getting funny ideas about what her job is. Whether Cheetara's decision is proven right in the end or not (they're the heroes, it will work out) is irrelevant. You can justify it all you want, but the writers made very clear why cheetara did what she did, and it wasn't some convoluted bodyguard scheme. She didn't want her boyfriend hurt. Simple as that. As long as she keeps behaving like this, the enemy basically has her dead to rights. This is exactly why armies don't allow fraternization. |
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In not a weird sense on the bodyguard, unless Cheetara is not able to protect them both. Lion-O has made bad calls and in this recent episode. He chose the path, the group got ambushed, and he got killed as a result. He's dead, Tygra is king, and Cheetara can protect him. All is good. |
Yes, except the last person under Cheetara's 'protection' almost died 2x (actually died 1x) in the last 2 episodes alone. If I were Tygra, I'd make Panthro the cleric.
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Tygra can turn invisible. He could have disappeared and sniped them from a higher location. However the fight didn't give him a chance. |
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