Didn't the OS sword of Omens call to the TCats as well? No?
I've heard people argue that as a point against a romantic relationship. She has to let Lion-O fight his own battles with the team. He can't have momma Cleric stepping in each and every time someone slights him.
As for the campfire the scenery was romantic, but Cheetara's intentions were not.

"Since this show began.." was thrown in there for that reason. I know the kingdom and his father doubted his abilities at time (and with good reason).

Yes. A simple apology is all most on this thread were asking for. Unfortunately by not giving one, it makes Cheetara come across as kinda cold.

Totally agree, he was the younger brother who was always compared to a more successful and responsible older brother (in Tygra's shadow). He's the underdog which is why he had my vote from the start, the only thing Tygra couldn't take from him was his lineage (being a Lion and everything). I remember the OS, where I watched Lion-O become more mature in each episode. I just really hope,pray,wish that the writers do the same in this reboot after his resurrection.

Remember in Into the Astral Plane when Cheetara told Lion-O that Tygra lived his whole life in his brother's shadow? Maybe both boys have gotten the wrong idea?

The spirit of Cheetara seems not cold though to Lion-O ,saw it from the pic.
That should be "the real" cheetara. they needed to do a "switch".
"Justice Lords Theory" in action again.:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

And even in movies, the secret service always maintains a professional distance between them and the president. No hugging, kissing of check etc etc. If only Cheetara would kiss all the other cats on the cheek for luck, cause you know, they're ALWAYS going into uncertain situations.

How do you think he got his arms?

I must have missed the part where zigg and the elephants stood behind Lion-O; pressing their trunks/boobs into his back and softly telling him how to use SBS. Because according to you, teachers for SBS do that

Tried that experiment and you are right, there is not much of a noticeable change in tone.
My previous point still stands though; it was the combination of her actions during this moment and throughout the entire season that made her intentions seem non-platonic.

The way you flirt with someone you're in a relationship with and the way you flirt with someone you're considering a relationship with are NOT the same thing, and I would hope you know that.

Of course I flirt with my fiance, and it includes stuff I did not do when we were still single. If Cheetara had just walked up and made out with Lion-o, or Tygra, before starting a relationship with him, this would be a very different discussion.

I do not analyze the motives of the characters. I analyze whether it was well done, and if it makes them likable. At this point basically no one in this show is even likable.

Lion-o's immature, Cheetarah's a tease, Tygra's a Jerk. These are problems.

2. No you don't, that's just not the way the world really works. People can be right, and wrong, even if they're not perfect, or completely wrong. The world is just shades of grey.

3. Maybe, but this was never about who got Cheetarah for me. My choice actually WON. My anger is the triangle was poorly done and made every character involved the worse for it.

Both brothers feel like they lived in each others shadow, it's why their relationship is so broken. For Tygra it didn't matter how good he was at anything because it would never make him king, and for Lion-O it didn't matter how hard he tried at anything because Tygra would always beat him and be praised for it.
It's not that Lion-O never studied, he just didn't study the approved material because he knew there was a bigger world out there. Instead he studied things that he thought would be needful out there, like technology. It had the added benefit of putting him a bit closer in touch with the poor and oppressed because he had to walk through slums to do it.

Both brothers have skills and knowledge that the other needs, but they're too blinded by their rivalry to see it.

This, I do agree with. What I really wish, and I mentioned it somewhere up there, is that Lion-o would actually try to be happy for them. Put this whole triangle behind us, have Lion-o get over it, Cheetarah and Tygra happy, etc. You can have drama without having half the group hate each other.

That said, even that would not change the fact that the triangle was poorly written, from both a story and a character standpoint.

Lion-o was always in his brother's shadow as a person, but don't forget for Tygra it was always an impossible race. No matter how good he did, or how hard he tried, he was always destined for second place. That's rough. And that is why I do agree with this quote.

I don't always like the way Lion-O is written, and I realize that this is because it'll make him all that more likable when he develops into a king I can respect.

Yes the world is full of shades of gray. I'm sorry, but I don't see the gray area in this situation. Lion-O took it upon himself to assume she was into him. Whether or not he did it because of her actions is irrelevant. What matters is that he lost, no forfeited his right to be angry, because he chose not to ask.

As far as we know, Lion-O didn't care much for his princely duties. I'm willing to bet this is what won Tygra so much favor with the citizens. He's classic Disney hero. A teenager who at first seems like a lost cause will grow to be the hero of the story.
The technology was initially just a bunch of junk Lion-O couldn't get to work. Logically, his time would have been better suited being the perfect prince. Sure he was right in the end, but that was pure luck and chance.
Pretty much sums it up. They can't see each other's pain, because each one is wrapped up in their own.

We see Cheetara really flirt during the second season with Tygra and he flirts back with her.

That wipes all the presumed flirty signals in the first season out, which means she wasn't putting the moves on Lion-O in the first place.

Now as to her behavior in the first season. If she already had Tygra chosen, to her Lion-O was a future family member. So she would lay the ground work for a family relationship with Lion-O.

That's bull. First off, this is a confirmed triangle. People aren't just assuming it's a triangle because of weird misunderstood signals or something. The writers have said repeatedly that this is a love triangle.

What that means is that all of those things were put there ON PURPOSE by the writers to be taken as signs of possible romance between Lion-o and Cheetarah. We can debate about what a cartoon character 'meant' or 'was thinking' all we want, but that's neither here no there. This is not people reading too much into the way Misty looks at Ash or something, this is a show with confirmed, INTENDED romantic scenes and tension. And in the first season, that tension certainly wasn't between Tygra and Cheetarah; they almost never talked.

You're giving the writers way too much credit. It's true you sometimes make characters weak to leave room for character growth, but that isn't a blank check to make an unlikable character. And Lion-o has DEVELOPED half of these lessons several times already, he just forgets them two episodes later.

There is gray in every situation. Generally if you can't see it, you're not looking hard enough, or you're ignoring it. And whether he did it because of her actions is COMPLETELY relevant. It is the ENTIRE point. And as I said way back when, they can BOTH be wrong. He can be wrong for reading too much into her actions, and she can be wrong for not being clearer, especially when they make it obvious that Cheetarah knew exactly what Lion-o thought of her. You keep saying they should have asked her, which is true, but she also could have just told them. She's not an idiot, she knew what they thought of her.

Lion-o being an idiot does not exonerate Cheetarah, or vice-versa.

They both messed up, but Episode 14 Lion-O is the victim and Cheetara is the criminal. Then Lion-O proceeds to treat her like that. No one in the team bothers to step up and tell Lion-O straight out to stop, not even Tygra.

Because by his own words tygra says she acts like he doesn't exist. It takes like 8 years to hook up. She is doing all the work because mr big mouth tygra wouldn't of went to her so she went to him. It seems tygra can only talk when he's putting lion-o down to bring himself up.

Yet it turns out lion-o was correct the whole time. We see claudis show homage to lion-o and how many episode later not one good thing has come from tygra's mouth despite the fact he has been benefiting from what lion-o has done in the past and present

The difference is in the OS the others except kit & kat were mature and behaved like wise

True. So now its reached the point where tygra tries to belittle and disparage lion-o for the sole purpose of lifting up his own ego. Lion-o is immature fine but the same can be said about tygra only he is older and should know better. He's been the one crying over spilled milk the longest yet its still somehow only lion-o :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

You can't really say Lion-O didn't care much for his princely duties. We see him attend both noble events; the SOO test and the dinner, that was required of him as a prince. Granted he was late for one, but because he was searching for lost tech. If he didn't care much for his duties, he could have just blown off both events. I think the best way to put it is 'Lion-O has other things he desires other than just being king/prince' while Tygra just desires being king/prince.

As for why Tygra is the favored of the crowds, I think it's more because he's a better warrior and the cats seem to be a society that honors that strength more than idealism or pacifism. TLDR; it's a lot easier to relate to Tygra because he's what the cats expect a cat to be while Lion-O is the dreamer and very unlike other cats.

Some people are die hard tygra fans, you're not going to win. Lion-o is bad, tygra is god.:D

Due to lion-o loving tech and helping lizards, they were able to escape.

It's just coaching.:rolleyes:

Lion-O actively studied technology. In the pilot you can see various things he's disassembled trying to see how they work and he's even made diagrams. The problem is there was no one around who really understood it so his learning was slower than it would have been otherwise.

No one is going to win any of these arguments because the reverse of that is also true.

Preach it, brother.

Lion-O and Tygra have the habit of keeping certain things to themselves. It wasn't until they were in a different dimension away from the others that they went all out on their feelings for each other.

8 years to hook up. Well most of that time is her cleric training and her duties. Same with Tygra with his duties and training. They would have gotten together when the time came.

By the end of Episode 13, Cheetara explained that revealing her feelings to Tygra wasn't a priority, but the conflict between Lion-O and him was causing problems which needed to be addressed. She was fixing it. Then most likely they would have told Lion-O. However since Lion-O walked in on their personal matter, he flipped out which is now in 14 through 15.

The Elephant Elder that told Lion-O about the supposed betrayal should get a portion of the blame for putting that nonsense in Lion-O's head.

Disagee, that cleric duties didn't let her go to tygra. People go to great lengths for love.

The writers did that to make us think it would be tygra, it was cheeetara that lion-o felt the betrayal from.

A betrayal just in Lion-O's head. She didn't betray the crown, the group, or anything like Grune.

Lion-O's betrayal issues could stem back to the Grune betrayal which destroyed the kingdom and got Claudis killed.

Lion-o felt betrayal from cheetara. This is what the writers set up. We thought tygra was going to betray him, but it was cheetara.

Has nothing to do with Grune. This was built up for the triangle.

He only used Grune as an example of someone who actually betrayed someone, rather than it just being an emotional thing in their head.

The writers will have to spell it out exactly how Cheetara betrayed Lion-O. She didn't go Grune on them. There wasn't the type of personal relationship between Lion-O and Cheetara which the betrayal could constitute her cheating on Lion-O or being unfaithful.

Betrayal is to strong a word to apply to this situation. Such a claim would call for her to be kicked out of the group and not trusting her to protect anyone in the group.

A better wording would be, "She broke his heart."

Oh so now she is fixing the problem ??? well she has only done half the job so far. When does it show lion-o flipped out as what you may call "flipping out" may differ what i would call flipping out. The same spare time lion-o had most likely they had as well to say how they used their time is speculation and it is still undetermined whether a cleric can be in a relationship so barring what happened they may have never hooked up. As i stated previously the fact tygra tried to kill lion-o is a betrayal and the fact tygra apologizes and lion-o accepts the apology shows he felt betrayed. The elephant was 100% correct

Cheetara didn't betray lion-o and the only person to go grune on someone was tygra just look at the similarities of the fights in "old friends" & "between brothers"

You forgot the part after the ordeal before the bells rang that Lion-O talked to the Elephant Monk about the prophecy. The Elephant Monk forgot about it and goes on like it was no big deal.

You might have also missed the words Cheetara said to Tygra when they were alone and she was talking about her feelings to him. She said her feelings we not important and kept quiet 13 episodes, and now she comes out about it. There must have been something going on that would make her choose to talk about it.

Heart and head are two different things. This is lion-o's heart, not head.

No he didn't, he reminded lion-o that the evening bells haven't rung.

A teenager's heart is so fragile.

They will not explain it. It adds to the drama.

Lion-o could say where was she in episode 14, she didn't have his back.

Even adult's hearts are fragile.

Lion-O was assured at that point there was no betrayal from Tygra.

No he wasn't, Annet told them it would happen before the evening bells. He reminded him again that the bells have not rung. That is why he went up where tygra was.

He wasn't expecting her to cover his back in that fight anyway, since he told them not to bother to enter the fight before he attacked. Lion-O had little trust in Cheetara from the very start of episode 14.

Teenagers also have the emotional baggage.

So does Adults. I work with a lot of middle age people and they have more problems than you would believe.

When she entered the fight, he did too.

Which was right after the biggest ordeal they faced, he was happy for a stone and Tygra's betrayal was wrong.

He said he didn't hear the bells ring, the writer put that there. He went up there to check on tygra, but he found them. He felt betrayed by cheetara.

The build up was for the scene and the betrayal comes from that scene not the AP. When they started E14, they did a recap and they had Annet say his betrayal line again, they showed T/C kissing. That is what they were referring too.

The AP was just building it up more. You are thinking the betrayal part is over, but Annet's reminds him. He goes up there and the bells ring with them kissing.

Somehow I doubt all the haters will be satisfied even then. Call it a hunch.