Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 (Post 41903)

I have seen them "joke" about such a situation, but honestly, I find it impossible to tell when they're joking, and when they're being serious.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41906)

Some folks over at TCL aren't any better with the racist apologist stuff in the Between Brothers thread. I consider that worse because they actually believe what they're saying.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41906)

Some folks over at TCL aren't any better with the racist apologist stuff in the Between Brothers thread. I consider that worse because they actually believe what they're saying.

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41909)

I don't even comment on much over there anymore. mention something of Tygra in the least bit negative and you're blasted... sad really...

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41906)

Some folks over at TCL aren't any better with the racist apologist stuff in the Between Brothers thread.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41906)

I consider that worse because they actually believe what they're saying.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41917)

As for the thing of if they're joking or not, am i supposed to apply that to things on TCL like how Lion-o's mom must have been mean/racist against Tygra and that's why he acts like he does, or how Tygra's not racist since he was just doing what Claudus did? Because i'm sure Tygra has a mind of his own, and insulting a dead woman isn't cool.

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 (Post 41920)

I have literally no experience with TCL, so can't comment on that situation.


And you believe the "people" here don't believe what they're saying? Sure, they've "joked" about some stuff, but they've said some pretty serious stuff too. Either they have a really sick sense of humor, or they actually believe that Claudus would behead Cheetara for her decisions.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41923)

It's actually quite odd, the whole debate, since they said Tygra couldn't be racist since the Lizards are mortal enemies/he's a soldier.

What they said was that if (i presume) Cheetara had done that in a situation with Claudus (as king/fighting alongside them)she would have been killed for insubordination.

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41925)

in most cultures with a King if one shows loyalty to anyone or anything besides his/her king the punishment is death, or exile if the king has a soft spot for ya. Just how it goes.

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 (Post 41766)

I'm not twisting facts, and I find it insulting that you claim that I have.

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

I haven't put it on a pedestal, and I haven't seen anybody else do so. As for the love triangle, I think it's been handled quite well so far, and as far as I'm concerned, it ended with episode thirteen. From that point on it's been Tygra and Cheetara trying to have a relationship during a war, and Lion-O's jealousy getting in the way of his leadership.

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

Also, what you see as "many", is really a small percentage of people on here. The reason those on your side of this argument appear to be "many", is cause several of you don't multiquote.

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

Lion-O did misread her signals, as did several "fans".

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7

While the flashback was out of the blue, that didn't make it less significant in any way, shape, or form.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41906)

Some folks over at TCL aren't any better with the racist apologist stuff in the Between Brothers thread. I consider that worse because they actually believe what they're saying.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41926)

Which was exactly my point when I brought up death/exile. There's no way Cheetara would get off Scott free, the way some of the fans want. No one who did that would. In the tv series Merlin, King Arthur has banished people who have proved disloyal, whereas his father Uther would have publicly executed them. Even if Cheetara was under the rules similar to that of the US military, she would be court martialed and dishonourbly discharged for what she did last episode.

Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 41931)

I post both here and on TCL. I honestly don't recall anything racist on either board.

Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 41933)

The difference is Lion-O no longer has a kingdom. She can't really be court martialed because really with Jaga dead she's the leader of the Clerics and she's the only one still alive. There's no point in discharging someone from a group where they're the only member. And Lion-O can't really exile her because he no longer has anywhere to exile her from. They're a wandering group. The Thundertank is Panthro's so IMO Lion-O can't really banish anyone from the tank without Panthro's permission. Add on the fact that if he DID try to banish Cheetara then Tygra might choose to go with her, thus breaking up the group and making them weaker and less likely to be able to defeat Mumm-Ra.

Without a kingdom Lion-O is king in name only and he only has the authority he still has because the group continues to follow him. He doesn't have any remaining police force or guards to enforce his banishment. They're all he has left.

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41938)

Tygra getting a taste of the role next ep might do some good, and not really judging his job performance, as we haven't seen it yet, but in probably less then a ep as leader, the whole team is captured by Mumm-Ra? umm...:confused:

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41938)

Tygra getting a taste of the role next ep might do some good, and not really judging his job performance, as we haven't seen it yet, but in probably less then a ep as leader, the whole team is captured by Mumm-Ra? umm...:confused:

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41938)

Right now Lion O has lost a lot of respect from said group, the only ones I really see truely having his back (that he can trust with said back) is Panthro and the thunderkittens. He needs to set his dominance of the group, he is the Lord of the Thundercats and rightful King of Thundara. He needs to reign it all together before th team litterally tears itself appart.

Tygra getting a taste of the role next ep might do some good, and not really judging his job performance, as we haven't seen it yet, but in probably less then a ep as leader, the whole team is captured by Mumm-Ra? umm...:confused:

Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 41933)

The difference is Lion-O no longer has a kingdom. She can't really be court martialed because really with Jaga dead she's the leader of the Clerics and she's the only one still alive. There's no point in discharging someone from a group where they're the only member. And Lion-O can't really exile her because he no longer has anywhere to exile her from. They're a wandering group. The Thundertank is Panthro's so IMO Lion-O can't really banish anyone from the tank without Panthro's permission. Add on the fact that if he DID try to banish Cheetara then Tygra might choose to go with her, thus breaking up the group and making them weaker and less likely to be able to defeat Mumm-Ra.

Without a kingdom Lion-O is king in name only and he only has the authority he still has because the group continues to follow him. He doesn't have any remaining police force or guards to enforce his banishment. They're all he has left.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41948)

I have a theory that even if Tygra gets his hands on the sword he won't be able to use it. The sword may even show him why he isn't worthy, flashing back to previous times when he was being an especially big dick. Starting with the times he bullied Lion-O as a kid and culminating in his decision to chase the sword and leave Lion-O for dead.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41951)

After all is said and done though I'm hoping "Trials Part 2" ends with Lion-O and Tygra reconciling, both brothers ignoring Cheetarah to embrace one another. Not only will it be a warm fuzzy moment and will drive the yaoi fangirls INSANE.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41954)

I'd love it both brothers reconciled, and both got over Cheetara. It would serve her right!:D

Originally Posted by Ravenxl7 (Post 41766)

She chose to surrender because there was no better option at that time. There's no way she and Lion-O would have been able to handle the three generals on their own, so letting Tygra be offed would have only hurt their situation. Any chance that they could have been taken prisoner, even a very slim chance, was a better option than knowingly letting a teammate be murdered. Did her emotions play a part in that? Yeah, they did, but in the end all three of them survived. Would you really prefer them to have offed Tygra in the episode? Most especially because of Lion-O's stupidity? (aka going into the battle without the initial support of his team).

Originally Posted by Mako Crab (Post 41872)

Cheetara said she sends mixed signals. You disagree. And that's alright. Not even Lion-O believed it. But for the sake of argument, if we believe that Cheetara was intentionally flirting, and Lion-O never flirted back, then what's she supposed to think? He's not interested? Maybe this isn't the guy she wants? What's his deal? How long is she supposed to put herself out there, before she gives up waiting for him to
make a move?

Originally Posted by Sining (Post 41961)

Just so you know, portraying Cheetara as a woman who will easily go from one man to another just because the one she supposedly flirts with/likes doesn't reciprocate her advances? Not helping her character. Especially since the first season takes places over what? A few months at most? I mean, if she had strong feelings for Lion-O and then suddenly went with Tygra just cause Lion-O wasn't working out, that would be quite shallow of her. Likewise if she had strong feelings for Tygra and was 'testing the waters' with Lion-O.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41966)

Nicely said, and I don't think the creators were trying to portray her that way at all (nor do I see her like that). She always cared deeply for Tygra but had an obligation to Lion-O. Unfortunately she's still young herself and the way she went about things contributed to (but are not solely responsible for) someone getting hurt. She's not perfect, she still makes mistakes.
EVERYONE in this show makes mistakes because the only way you can have strong character development is if those characters have flaws they need to overcome. Lion-O has his brashness and self-doubt, Tygra has his jealousy and resentment, and Cheetarah has to learn that maybe she doesn't know as much as she thought she did (please don't claim I'm accusing her of being a know-it-all, that's not my intention).

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41970)

She also needs to learn more about personal space and how to watch over someone properly without getting too close.

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41973)

I think i've started another argument at TCL.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41972)

Like I said before, there are ways to be supportive without pressing your boobs up against someone.

That would be a great signature quote...

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41975)

Like I said before, if Cheetara simply apologized to Lion-o, I'm sure he would forgive her.

And if you don't use that as a signature quote, I might have to.:D;)

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41948)

I have a theory that even if Tygra gets his hands on the sword he won't be able to use it. The sword may even show him why he isn't worthy, flashing back to previous times when he was being an especially big dick. Starting with the times he bullied Lion-O as a kid and culminating in his decision to chase the sword and leave Lion-O for dead.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41951)

After all is said and done though I'm hoping "Trials Part 2" ends with Lion-O and Tygra reconciling, both brothers ignoring Cheetarah to embrace one another. Not only will it be a warm fuzzy moment and will drive the yaoi fangirls INSANE.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41975)

Like I said before, if Cheetara simply apologized to Lion-o, I'm sure he would forgive her.

And if you don't use that as a signature quote, I might have to.:D;)

Originally Posted by Sining (Post 41978)

More importantly,the clerics in episode 1 could shoot lightning. Why is Cheetara not shooting lightning?

Originally Posted by hollowdheart (Post 41970)

She also needs to learn more about personal space and how to watch over someone properly without getting too close.

Originally Posted by SirSapphire (Post 41972)

Like I said before, there are ways to be supportive without pressing your boobs up against someone.

That would be a great signature quote...

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 41982)

I only saw jaga do it. I don't remember any other ones doing it.

Originally Posted by CCDustyV (Post 41925)

in most cultures with a King if one shows loyalty to anyone or anything besides his/her king the punishment is death, or exile if the king has a soft spot for ya. Just how it goes.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41984)

Maybe it requires a certain level of experience?

Originally Posted by stac (Post 41930)

My apologies.



I don’t agree with that. It’s not always that simple. A love triangle need not end just because two people begin a relationship, actually, it might just complicate things further. This triangle is bound to continue for a few more episodes, at least until episode 16.



Maybe i should have said 'some'? Either way, arguing over which side of the argument has more supporters may not be the best use of time.




Let’s not forget that Tygra interpreted Cheetara’s signals in much the same way as Lion-O did. He’d resigned himself to the possibility that she ‘chose’ Lion-O (In episode 13, just before the flashback.).

Cheetara presses up against Lion-O, holds his hand, kisses him and whispers in his ear. She does nothing so suggestive with Tygra. The writers did this intentionally. I understand that they wanted to make us feel Lion-O’s indignation, his shock when she chose Tygra. And that’s fine, I just feel that they could have taken more time and developed this triangle much better instead of this rush job.



The fact that it was out of the blue, that it took only a cute little 23 second flashback to justify such a significant plot point is enough to make me question the legitimacy of the T/C relationship. There has been a lot of sloppy writing, particularly with regard to characterisation.

I think I need to repeat this, I don’t care if Cheetara chooses Tygra while breaking Lion-O’s heart in the process, just don’t do it in such an unbelievable, shoddy manner.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 41986)

It comes back to the same question for me. If she is not at that level, then why assign her to a heir to the throne. Doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41926)

Which was exactly my point when I brought up death/exile. There's no way Cheetara would get off Scott free, the way some of the fans want. No one who did that would. In the tv series Merlin, King Arthur has banished people who have proved disloyal, whereas his father Uther would have publicly executed them. Even if Cheetara was under the rules similar to that of the US military, she would be court martialed and dishonourbly discharged for what she did last episode.

Originally Posted by Sining (Post 41978)

More importantly,the clerics in episode 1 could shoot lightning. Why is Cheetara not shooting lightning?

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41988)

I guess we have to fall back on the only explanation for that which does not make sense. Plot convenience/poor writing.;)

Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41921)

Exactly thank you. You've seen our posts hollowdheart,they are nothing like TCL.

Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 41992)

See, that is so weak. Only 14 episodes in.

Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 41993)

Of course we have our "standards".:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

Originally Posted by Sining (Post 41978)

More importantly,the clerics in episode 1 could shoot lightning. Why is Cheetara not shooting lightning?