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Until this episode everyone thought it was Cheetara, now there's a strong argument that it was the mom, but we have no idea. There is nothing pushing it either way other than your personal opinion. That said, making it the mom he was talking about may seem logical in hindsight, but in reality if you watch the show in order that would lack any emotional weight. At the time we had no knowledge of their mother, to suddenly bring her up with no context or explanation (or way of knowing it wasn't Cheetara he was talking about) would be (I'm tired of this point) bad writing. The scene there only carries weight at that point in the show if its Cheetara. That said, I'm not saying it IS Cheetara, I'm saying we can no longer prove either. |
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While it could have been nice to have her there, it's easy to see why they chose not to. |
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Somethings are explained later. We didn't know how lion-o's mother died. Now we do. |
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The problem with some of their earlier oversights in Season Two is that they DIDN'T lead to a good plot. Here it did. |
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It's the sort of thing someone will ask them at a con sometime and we might get an answer but it won't matter. Believe he was talking about whichever you want, there's no proof. I still think, in light of the context of the episode it happened in, it was Cheetara, but if it was his mom it's not really that different. |
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It makes tygra's feelings more complex than being mad that he lost his girlfriend. I like characters having depth. This adds more layers to tygra. Also we could say the writers are doing plot convenience. I think this episode was to show what is the core issue with tygra and him dealing with it. It seems he healed from this episode. |
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Or not. |
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That would explain why kit and kat are on their own. |
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Being mad at lion-o about the crown is semi-reasonable given the idea that Lion-o actively chose to be a somewhat lazy prince; being mad at him about their mom is ridiculous. Lion-o had NO way of controlling that (I am aware people ARE sometimes ridiculous, I'm just saying it doesn't make Tygra more reasonable). And for people that truly feel love or strong infatuation, having the woman you like go for your brother IS a perfectly good justification for resenting him. Again, I'm not saying it can't be his mom, we just have no way of knowing. And these new layers to Tygra's character do not disappear if he was talking about Cheetara in the AP. Tygra can certainly resent Lion-o for potentially 'taking' both of those women. But that isn't why I'm fighting, I actually like that theory. The reason I first brought this up is that I saw several posts from you and others 'explaining' that now we know it was the mom he was talking about and it bugged me. It's a good theory, but it's just a theory. I don't like it when random fans on a message board act like their theory is the definite truth. |
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Not taking tygra's side, just saying what drives him. He said he lost the two things he cherished, mom and crown. |
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But yeah, I'm not that mad about this, I just think it's impolite to treat an opinion like fact. |
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We are looking at the core of tygra. This core was developed way before cheetara entered the picture. |
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And no I'm not mad they didn't bring up Cheetara, I was responding to your point about him saying he lost two things, mom and crown, and just pointing out his list might be different if Cheetara had picked Lion-o. In a what if scenario, Tygra would currently be VERY resentful of Lion-o. But she didn't, so Tygra's focusing on past things since he doesn't have modern ones. My point is what he resents Lion-o for can change moment to moment. |
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Tygra's whole character would have been altered by that. |
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I don't think cheetara would've came up, even if she picked lion-o. These two things made such a impacted on tygra's life that it has define who he was. I think tygra has moved on from the person he was. He will be different and act like the big brother he was suppose to be. |
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He would've chalked up to one other thing he didn't deserve, like he said. When he got cheetara, tygra didn't changed did he. He needed for lion-o to die, so he could see what lion-o went through. He also needed episode 17 and who was right beside him, lion-o. This is why they needed to be together in this episode. We saw how tygra become the person he is today and was able to beat his clan curse, pride. |
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We're arguing about two things here. You're talking about this episode where I agree that Cheetara had no real need to be mentioned, and the original point was about who Tygra was talking about in Episode 13. You're saying that this episode makes it apparent it was their mom, and I'm saying nothing in this episode makes that necessarily true, it's just a theory. And I agree that this episode was a good growth episode for Tygra, but nothing in that changes who he may or may not have been talking about in the AP. |
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Your childhood does not dictate your personality every step of the way for the rest of your life. It's important, sure, but important enough events, and sheer will, can cause changes. But really, what are we even arguing here? All I said was you don't know for sure that Tygra was talking about their mom in episode 13. There's no proof. Good theory; still no proof. |
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As for Lion-O, I mentioned before in another thread that Lion-O has other things other than the kingship he's interested while Tygra is pretty much just interested in the kingship(apparently since the young tender age of 3). In other words, Tygra is one of those who live for the job while Lion-O has hobbies on the side. |
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IMO, he meant his mother. Is that better? |
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And it wasn't just you, I looked at some episode reviews on some other sites and saw other people say 'oh, that means it was his mom he was talking about' and it bugged me. It's just an assumption. |
Not reading all the feedback, don't really care.
To be honest, I nodded off. Re-watching what I slept through, I found this to be a pointless story. It wasn't as outright terrible as it's been since episode 7, but it was extremely boring. Not sure which is worse really, since at least when it's terrible, there's something to discuss. This new series is circling the drain for me, big time. |
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But I wasn't trying to make a long argument out of it. |
tryga 's grandpa work for mummra in one eps of new thundercats
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Tygrus was an ancestor. |
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Not to sound pushy/impatient, but is there any word to be had on screen-caps for this episode?
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He's not going to sit there and give a word for word description of everything that was said and done. Do you think he's standing there next to Javan going "and then Father said this. but then Mother said that. and then Father said this. Btw Mother had red hair and a crown of jewels on her head and I was playing next to a toybox that had a mumm-ra doll." When relaying a story like that you're going to generalize or simplify things. You're not going to have a script to hand them. And as I've said before he was only 2 or 3 years old when this happened. He's not going to remember it clearly if at all and he definitely wouldn't remember exactly what someone said word for word. |
then you're saying that tygra doesn't remember the scene at all, or doesn't remember his mother's death very clearly. That kind of makes the entire scene lose its importance and weight since he then clearly mentions "That was the day I lost the things etc etc etc"
And yes, I agree that when you're relaying a story, you're going to generalise things. Which is why I stress the fact that NO ONE but Tygra would have bothered to remember that his mother didn't call him prince that time. Claudus certainly wouldn't have bothered to mention it since he would also have generalised things. Unless you're saying Tygra doesn't remember his mom not calling him prince, at which point a lot of people's argument that 'oh, this is why Tygra is so resentful of Lion-O' doesn't make sense. Hence why I believe that Tygra's flashback of that scene and his mother's death are his actual memories, despite him being only 2-3 years old at that time. And as a result, his desire for the kingdom is true as well. |
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I think this episode was meant to air earlier in the series....don't get me wrong I like the ep.....I just got the feeling it was out of place... |
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Look at all the areas he ran through. Remember she did ten markers. |
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Little late to the party, but I'm here. Just caught the new episode, and it was great. I like that since Lion-O's trials have finished, it now seems time for Tygra to do some growing up. I really liked that he still asserted that Claudus was his father despite meeting his real one. I.E. Claudus is the dude that raised him, and Javen is just his biological dad. I like that Tygra still has so much respect for Claudus.
It seems like Lion-O and Tygra are bonding more now, and that's good to see. It feels like at some point they're going to be on the same level that Lion-O and Tygra were in the original series, where they have total faith and trust in each other. Anyway, short review. Bottom line- good episode, and I liked it a lot. :) |
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We now have flash backs for all the Thundercats, with exception to Wily-kit, and Wily-Kat. I can't wait to see how their past (however recent) merges into the current story. Tygra now has his tri-sphered whip as a nice homage to the orginal, along with an appearance by the Ancient spirits. I loved the episode. The theme of the Power of forgiveness was excellent.
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Looks like I'll be making a new background here soon, lol... Edit: I didn't notice this till just now, but the band Tygra wears around his right wrist was something his father sent with him in the basket. That's kinda cool. |
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I also noticed Javon was wearing it in the flashback, before Tygra was sent away in the balloon. |
I noticed that Javan was wearing it in the flashback too and that he wasn't wearing it in the present. So that's his father's bracelet.
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So we can agree that Tygra did remember his mothers words and that he did remember how he felt about losing the 2 most precious things to him, the kingdom and his mother? |
I would imagine that the other flashbacks happened mostly the way they appeared since they looked like recollections shared between at least two people, although since this one is apparently a story told by Tygra (and something Lion-O or anyone else can't personally confirm, being either too young at the time or currently dead) I wouldn't be above speculating there may be some minor editing going on here. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that that's exactly how he remembers it.
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I think with everything we are left with Tygra's interpretation. He might have been told how it happen, but this is how he sees it. It would make sense, because he cherish his mom and crown. This is how he feels right or wrong. I think we saw what is driving tygra to feel this way. I think in the end he is healing. That smile said a lot at the end. |
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To make it more believable, the writers may want to gradually ‘de-jerkify’ Tygra over a series of episodes. We have seen instances previously where Tygra seems to understand how difficult it must be for Lion-O, only to turn around and continue being pompous and self-important. |
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