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The problem is far to many people use "bad writing" as a catch-all argument for when the show doesn't conform to their personal desires because it's often very subjective. They can just say that and it absolves them of having to listen to other people or try and explain their own position.
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And I would argue in this case, when there is a fairly strong consensus that things such as the triangle, the random, inconsistent depiction of EVERYONE's powers in fights, Lion-o's ability to learn, forget, and re-learn all of his life lessons, and the overall pathetic performance of the various villains are poorly done, it is not simply a matter of not 'getting' it or something, but is in fact bad. Now, I still like this show a lot, but it NEEDS to develop some consistency, and that onus is squarely on the writers. |
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I don't think you guys have WATCHED a bad cartoon in awhile. I may have only given Avatar 5 episodes to get my interest before I got bored, but I gave Voltron 13 goddamn episodes in hopes it might get better. When the kid with the speed powers can't catch the robot with the bomb that's going to destroy the entire Castle of Lions, and they have to rely on magic fuckin' bricks, then, THEN there's something wrong with the writting staff. I'll say it again, ThunderCats writting is equivalent of TFA's early seasons. I still love that series, my friends still love that series. My only thought on how people can justify trashing this show is you've all gone completely crazy with inflated expectations. |
A good writing will not require the readers or the viewers to do some "heavy extra analysis" of the writings itself. The fact that many of us having to "figure it out" ourselves on "what the heck happened with the characterization of the characters and story" is proof enough that no matter how you are going to view this show with "shippy eyes" or not, the so called "bad writing" existed. Of course the "level of assness" of the show will vary from individuals to individuals, they can view the show as either "badass", badass, "dumbass" or "something in between the ass".:D
Because we are humans and not the Geth from Mass Effect, heck even the Geth develop some personalities near the end of Mass Effect 3.:D _______________ Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint. |
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That, and complaining. |
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Cheetara liked Tygra all along? What? Hasn't Lion-o learned patience like three times? Why doesn't Lion-o use his grappling hook to save himself when he's falling from the cliff? Why do Panthro's stretch arms just get forgotten half the time? Couldn't Cheetara solve half the fights just by using her super-speed instead of forgetting it? Why does Lion-o almost never use SBS? And on and on and on. This show is LITTERED with plot and character inconsistencies. And that sucks. Because we ALL want this show to be good. We're on a website called 'thundercats' you can bet we wish this show was amazing. We take no joy in being confused and frustrated by it. |
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Fans represent a kind of mob mentality, this is true, but like any mob they are usually based on a fundamental truth. If a mob hates something, then there are serious problems with it; maybe not as bad as the mob says, but problems nonetheless. If a mob likes something, then it is probably pretty good; maybe not as good as they say since they're feeding each other, but good nonetheless. |
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Okay, now you two are just acting like jerks. You're welcome to dislike something others like, but if you're dicks about it, your opinions pretty quickly cease to matter. And to SariFan: No one is mad when Lion-o doesn't learn his lessons. They're mad because Lion-o DOES learn his lessons, and then FORGETS them the next episode. If they just showed him refusing to learn (like they actually DID do with the Tygra trial, so that one cannot be included in this) then THAT would be consistent, and people would be far less bothered. |
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Secondly, all of your answers are EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You're putting words in the writer's mouths that should have just been shown if the story was well done. And they're not even very good words. Nearly all of your answers are 'crap happens.' It's complicated, people are hypocritical, the OS was just as bad, it's new, he forgot that other time too, etc. THESE are your defenses? Seriously? |
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Look at that list in Western Animation, MAN, writting for every cartoon EVER must SUCK! |
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and the two or three non-comedy examples they had were: THundercats (not helping your point), J. Jonah Jameson, who has a long history of refusing to learn his lesson about spider-man no matter how many times it happens, and Ben 10, which presumably is just another case of bad writing. |
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And that grappling hook picture is dumb for two reasons: first, the cats are superhuman, they are repeatedly shown surviving events that would kill a human or just doing things that means they're stronger than we are. Secondly, and this is key. If you're falling to your death and you've got a rocket propelled grappling hook then you've got two options. One, continue to fall which WILL kill you, and two, use the hook, which MIGHT kill you. What are you going to do? To SirSapphire: No they don't. |
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First, very soon I will watch Legend of Korra, which has a very good chance of being better, and Young Justice, which fluctuates. Thundercats is not alone in it's niche, it can be beat by the competition, and that is why it needs to be at the top of its game. Second, hopefully nothing. I LIKE the thundercats, I want it to be GOOD. I want villains that are believable, and heroes that are consistent, and a show that is well done. If this show IS cancelled, I will not be happy about it, even if I understand why it happens. |
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Look, I'm not arguing that the show doesn't have its problems because it does but the show is still just starting out. We're still in the first season as it was plotted by the producers, there's still a lot to learn and a lot of ground to cover. Sometimes you really need to give them the benefit of the doubt and remind yourself it's just a tv show and relax. I enjoy debating about the show as much as the next guy, but it's still just a show. |
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Secondly, if you hit water at terminal velocity, it is NOT soft, apparently or otherwise. If you're arguing that the impact on the water didn't kill him, then hitting the cliff face after a shorter fall would not have killed him either, and would have had the added benefit of not causing him to drown. Win win. |
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I won't argue the show didn't make mistakes, but all shows make mistakes. I'm happy with this show. I'm so happy that it didn't become ThunderCats the rock band. Quote:
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I never said it's terrible, I said it's inconsistent. And while you have a point about relaxing, I would say we're all a step beyond that, since if we really wanted to just leave it be, we wouldn't be on a message board. And I hope it improves, but it's got some serious ground to cover; though this episode was a step in the right direction. |
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And why is 'women are complicated' an acceptable reason to write females behaving illogically? |
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People are entitled to express their opinions on a message board, good OR bad. Ideally they're civil about it. That said, I get your point even if I disagree with how you presented it. |
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Also, I've had some stereotype relationships, so it really doesn't even phase me to see Cheetara like that. |
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In this case, the ‘women are complicated' excuse provides an easy, no-analysis-required justification for idiotic storytelling. Apparently some believe that anything the writers chose to do renders it inherently legitimate simply for the fact that the writers have chosen to do so. Cheetara has barely received any significant character development and the triangle has negatively affected any development that had taken place. The problem isn’t that writers chose to do Tygra/Cheetara – it’s how they went about doing it. |
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If Lion-O is capable of forgetting his lessons, maybe she can too. |
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At that point, Simon did even WORSE than Lion-O. Kamina isn't coming back from the dead. Is Yoko badly written? I dunno, I'm busy starring at the stars. |
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That being said, sorry for adding to the clutter. |
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Look I don't like how it happened in the series either man, but right now I'm thinking the writers have some reason for doing what they did. I think people are really jumping the "bad writing" without knowing what may happen next that could possibly put a new view on everything for us later on. Maybe by the seasons end she ends up with Lion-O, who knows!?! Plus I gotta agree, even with the complaints I made about this episode before, I gotta give the series some leeway since it's still the first season, plus I keep coming back to it out of hope it will get better, and I still have some enjoyment when I watch. Back on this episode, anybody else wonder where exactly Mumm-Ra went? I mean, did he leave his own home base or just go further into the depths? |
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I think it's a crow, but his current body looks more like a bat. I don't think it's been solved yet.....it'd be interesting though.
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