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stac 03-27-2012 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Balgus82 (Post 40851)
Sometimes it's not about winning. Sometimes it's just about doing what you think is the right thing to do.

Sure, but it was a no-win situation and Cheetara had two main options:

Option A: Surrender and promptly be executed along with Lion-O and Tygra.

Option B: Take her own advice and “stick together” by helping Lion-O continue the fight. At least this option would have allowed the slightest chance for them to survive the battle.

One would expect a Cleric who is sworn to protect the King, who has trained most of her life for battle would pick the second option.

JASONKAT 03-27-2012 02:14 AM

or C: tygra could of gone 'invisable-mode" And free his way out of it by defeating the1 who caught him and then the other cats could have carried on with their fight as well. :P

bronwynn 03-27-2012 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pravus Prime (Post 40726)
(Lastly, Grammar Nazi; It's cents, as in currency, not sense, as in feel.)

Being a Grammar Nazi is a good thing. I apologize for the error. I should have caught it before I posted.

cmangund 03-27-2012 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40850)
So Cheetara is reaching Lady Macbeth levels of manipulation? I can believe it.:p

I know it is sad...very sad, the reality of it:eek:
And that's just the tip of THE iceberg. She has yet reveal it to us her entire agenda...:eek:
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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

AdamofEternia 03-27-2012 08:05 AM

like i said before, it isn't just liono who needs to learn lessons in life about being a better person. the writers are unnecessary tearing his character down and justifying their actions with dumb excuses. i understand the concept they're going for in tearing him down to build a better character but it has become almost a running gag in this series and not in a good way. im kind of glad the writers plan on killing liono's character off for a few episodes and i hope they use that time to develop the other characters. most of the thundercats except liono are in need of development because at times these characters seem to contradict themselves. we need the development to better understand them the other thundercats especially cheetara.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 09:38 AM

Can you imagine what would happen to a SS agent if they save the first lady or man instead of the President. I don't think they will keep their job and I wouldn't be surprised if they are charged for not up holding their job.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkKnight (Post 40831)
this is my favorite

Agree.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stac (Post 40842)
As I and the others have said before, her choosing Tygra by surrendering destroyed any chance any of them might have had to make it out alive. Her decision almost cost all three of them their lives. There was no tactical advantage to surrendering. Lion-O made the right call.

She not only does a 180 turn and chooses Tygra, but she also refuses to stand by Lion-O when he needed her the most.

Cheetara’s decision was incredibly naïve. Slythe has been hunting the ThunderCats since Thundera fell and he’s even brought in new Generals to help deal with them. What did she think they would do when they surrendered? Let them live happily ever after?

Maybe the writers did this just to rub it in Lion-O’s face a bit more. Maybe they feel the only way to build Lion-O’s character is to first break him down completely. And then do it some more.

Agree, she is a different person.

Someone else said that and I think I agree with them. They are breaking him down and rebuilding him with fire.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stac (Post 40864)
Sure, but it was a no-win situation and Cheetara had two main options:

Option A: Surrender and promptly be executed along with Lion-O and Tygra.

Option B: Take her own advice and “stick together” by helping Lion-O continue the fight. At least this option would have allowed the slightest chance for them to survive the battle.

One would expect a Cleric who is sworn to protect the King, who has trained most of her life for battle would pick the second option.

Maybe they were waiting for lion-o to be executed and then they would've fought.:D

stormbringer 03-27-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40926)
Maybe they were waiting for lion-o to be executed and then they would've fought.:D

You know, I can picture Cheetara whispering in Tygra's ear, telling him he would make a better king, and how together they can get rid of Lion-o. I put nothing past Cheetara anymore.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamofEternia (Post 40903)
like i said before, it isn't just liono who needs to learn lessons in life about being a better person. the writers are unnecessary tearing his character down and justifying their actions with dumb excuses. i understand the concept they're going for in tearing him down to build a better character but it has become almost a running gag in this series and not in a good way. im kind of glad the writers plan on killing liono's character off for a few episodes and i hope they use that time to develop the other characters. most of the thundercats except liono are in need of development because at times these characters seem to contradict themselves. we need the development to better understand them the other thundercats especially cheetara.

I agree 100%.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40930)
You know, I can picture Cheetara whispering in Tygra's ear, telling him he would make a better king, and how together they can get rid of Lion-o. I put nothing past Cheetara anymore.

That was why cheetara and tygra looked mad behind lion-o, their plan didn't work.:)

Big Snarf 03-27-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONKAT (Post 40871)
or C: tygra could of gone 'invisable-mode" And free his way out of it by defeating the1 who caught him and then the other cats could have carried on with their fight as well. :P

He was tied up up by his own whip and he need his whip to turn invisible but he could've moved out of the way instead of just standing there like an idiot i'm sure if kat was in that situation he would've moved so this just makes tygra look very stupid to say the least

Big Snarf 03-27-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40926)
Maybe they were waiting for lion-o to be executed and then they would've fought.:D

The joke would've been on them because they would've been killed and stay dead while lion-o would've most likely come back with a cheesey grim like tygra had :D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf (Post 40939)
The joke would've been on them because they would've been killed and stay dead while lion-o would've most likely come back with a cheesey grim like tygra had :D

Snarf was playing triple agent and gave them bad info. He was hoping he could kill three cats with one stone.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40930)
You know, I can picture Cheetara whispering in Tygra's ear, telling him he would make a better king, and how together they can get rid of Lion-o. I put nothing past Cheetara anymore.

When lion-o went down to fight, they made their plan right then.:) He said stick together and the only that would happen is if lion-o was out of the picture.

stormbringer 03-27-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40948)
When lion-o went down to fight, they made their plan right then.:) He said stick together and the only that would happen is if lion-o was out of the picture.

Aha! I knew all Mumm-ra would have to do is sit back and wait for the cats to self destruct on their own. He knew be could count on Cheetara.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40949)
Aha! I knew all Mumm-ra would have to do is sit back and wait for the cats to self destruct on their own. He knew be could count on Cheetara.:D

It worked. Spirit Stone ruin his whole plan.:D

stormbringer 03-27-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40953)
It worked. Spirit Stone ruin his whole plan.:D

At least Lion-o can depend on the spirit stone.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40957)
At least Lion-o can depend on the spirit stone.:D

Good thing he likes all that tech, because that is all he can depend on.

stormbringer 03-27-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40959)
Good thing he likes all that tech, because that is all he can depend on.

Maybe that's the lesson Lion-o needs to learn. Only trust technology.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Snarf (Post 40939)
The joke would've been on them because they would've been killed and stay dead while lion-o would've most likely come back with a cheesey grim like tygra had :D

That is funny. :D:D:D:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40966)
Maybe that's the lesson Lion-o needs to learn. Only trust technology.:D

Only trust things that don't have a heart beat.

cmangund 03-27-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40911)
Can you imagine what would happen to a SS agent if they save the first lady or man instead of the President. I don't think they will keep their job and I wouldn't be surprised if they are charged for not up holding their job.

That's why we have NAVY SEALS to get the job done. No "female cats" are allowed in the SEALS, to prevent the "Anorexic Ho Incident". :D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40981)
That's why we have NAVY SEALS to get the job done. No "female cats" are allowed in the SEALS, to prevent the "Anorexic Ho Incident". :D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

:D:D:D:D

They will still do the mission even if one of their teammates are down.

cmangund 03-27-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40982)
:D:D:D:D

They will still do the mission even if one of their teammates are down.

Ah the beauty of the SEALS. :cool::cool::cool::cool:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40983)
Ah the beauty of the SEALS. :cool::cool::cool::cool:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

You usually take care the mission first then worry about your teammate.

SEALS are awesome.

cmangund 03-27-2012 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40949)
Aha! I knew all Mumm-ra would have to do is sit back and wait for the cats to self destruct on their own. He knew be could count on Cheetara.:D

Of course Mumm-ra knows this. Mumm-ra and Cheetara share a "Special Relationship", later a flashback showing this will be revealed to us...:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40985)
Of course Mumm-ra knows this. Mumm-ra and Cheetara share a "Special Relationship", later a flashback showing this will be revealed to us...:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

:D:D:D

Mummra got her a dozen day astrids and chocolate covered fruit.:D

L08e16o 03-27-2012 05:20 PM

When cheetara said her heart belongs to someone else, did she mean mummra? She didn't say tygra. :)

cmangund 03-27-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40988)
When cheetara said her heart belongs to someone else, did she mean mummra? She didn't say tygra. :)

Mummm-Ra or the crown of TCATS.:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40989)
Mummm-Ra or the crown of TCATS.:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

He has won without winning a battle against them.

cmangund 03-27-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40990)
He has won without winning a battle against them.

Cheetara is Mumm-ra's "Dirty Little Secret".:eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40993)
Cheetara is Mumm-ra's "Dirty Little Secret".:eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

Now all she has to do is knock off tygra. She will lead them to mummra and turn on him too with " I have to stick with him".:D

cmangund 03-27-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40994)
Now all she has to do is knock off tygra. She will lead them to mummra and turn on him too with " I have to stick with him".:D

Then after all that said and done she will "knock off" Mumm-ra and his generals and gaining control of Mumm-ra's army. That will happen in EP 52:eek: So The NS story will end with Cheetara's "Evil Laugh":eek::eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40996)
Then after all that said and done she will "knock off" Mumm-ra and his generals and gaining control of Mumm-ra's army. That will happen in EP 52:eek: So The NS story will end with Cheetara's "Evil Laugh":eek::eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

:D:D

Two things I notice in 14. Cheetara said they need to keep the pressure on the armies. Then she sided with tygra, and lion-o used her exact words on her. They need to keep the pressure on.

Of course the stick together part.

Lion-o was throwing her own words back on her. She was contradicting herself.

Tygra looks pissed at lion-o during this too. They are going to fight again.

cmangund 03-27-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40997)
:D:D

Two things I notice in 14. Cheetara said they need to keep the pressure on the armies. Then she sided with tygra, and lion-o used her exact words on her. They need to keep the pressure on.

Of course the stick together part.

Lion-o was throwing her own words back on her. She was contradicting herself.

Tygra looks pissed at lion-o during this too. They are going to fight again.

Lion-O was doing the right thing, no doubt about that.

Only Lion-O have to die first in the next episode so the fight will have to wait.
Later after Pumyra being introduced, then the crazy love drama stunts will get crazier.:eek: Pumyra being betrothed to Tygra like you said, so it begins...:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

L08e16o 03-27-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40998)
Lion-O was doing the right thing, no doubt about that.

Only Lion-O have to die first in the next episode so the fight will have to wait.
Later after Pumyra being introduced, then the crazy love drama stunts will get crazier.:eek: Pumyra being betrothed to Tygra like you said, so it begins...:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

Every time tygra looks at lion-o in that last part, he looks pissed at him. When Panthro said we need to stick together, they all looked pissed.

The first thing lion-o learns sense of smell, so tygra won't be able to use his invisible on him.

Like I said, P/T is my second favorite romance.

cmangund 03-27-2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40999)
Every time tygra looks at lion-o in that last part, he looks pissed at him. When Panthro said we need to stick together, they all looked pissed.

The first thing lion-o learns sense of smell, so tygra won't be able to use his invisible on him.

Like I said, P/T is my second favorite romance.

The team is in a "bad shape" because of T/C.

Lion-O just leveled up his skill, Tygra and Cheetara you better watch out!:cool:

It should be L/C and T/P. Instead we got this drama mess.:eek::eek::eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

Big Snarf 03-27-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 41004)
The team is in a "bad shape" because of T/C.

Lion-O just leveled up his skill, Tygra and Cheetara you better watch out!:cool:

It should be L/C and T/P. Instead we got this drama mess.:eek::eek::eek:

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

We haven't seen pumyra yet she might be a better character then cheetara. Until then we don't know what the writers are planning but i'm guessing she will be older

stormbringer 03-27-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cmangund (Post 40985)
Of course Mumm-ra knows this. Mumm-ra and Cheetara share a "Special Relationship", later a flashback showing this will be revealed to us...:D

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Jelenic and crew will be forever be remembered as the man and crew that tainted the TCATS brand. Hopefully J.M. DeMatteis will remove some of the taint.

I wouldn't be surprised if its revealed,that Cheetara has been working undercover for Mumm-ra all along.:eek:

stormbringer 03-27-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L08e16o (Post 40997)
:D:D

Two things I notice in 14. Cheetara said they need to keep the pressure on the armies. Then she sided with tygra, and lion-o used her exact words on her. They need to keep the pressure on.

Of course the stick together part.

Lion-o was throwing her own words back on her. She was contradicting herself.

Tygra looks pissed at lion-o during this too. They are going to fight again.

Maybe Lion-o needs to embrace his inner Claudus, and banish Cheetara (and probably Tygra who will definately turn on him when he does), for the sake of the mission. Cheetara has proven Lion-o can't trust her on any level, and his relationship with Tygra is only going to deteriorate even more with "Lady Macbeth" pulling the strings.

Mako Crab 03-27-2012 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 40477)
Today was just further proof that I can't trust Cheetara on any level. First she leads ME on, and now she is totally insubordinate in the battle, and nearly got all 3 of US killed. Jaga must have been senile, to trust her to protect ME.

Dude, you act like you were personally betrayed by a cartoon character. Settle the hell down.

stormbringer 03-27-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako Crab (Post 41026)
Dude,I'm a disgruntled Cheetara fan and I thought you were acting like you were personally betrayed by a cartoon character. I need to settle the hell down.

I agree with you! :p

Mako Crab 03-28-2012 12:56 AM

Oh so funny!

And my point still stands.

stormbringer 03-28-2012 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mako Crab (Post 41041)
Oh so funny!

And my point still stands.

Thank you! And everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Mako Crab 03-28-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stormbringer (Post 41042)
Thank you! And everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Yeah. But the only opinions you've been offering lately all revolve around whether you'd merely banish Cheetara or have her killed outright.

stormbringer 03-28-2012 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mako Crab (Post 41047)
Yeah. But the only opinions you've been offering lately all revolve around whether you'd merely banish Cheetara or have her killed outright.

Okay, since you're clearly taking this show just as seriously yourself, I will state why I feel the way I do. Cheetara created the entire mess, she led Lion-o on ( and she did lead him on as even Tygra thought she was into Lion-o), and she nearly got Lion-o , Tygra and herself killed, by surrendering right in the middle of a battle. It's merely common sense for Cheetara not to be trusted by Lion-o, I'm not changing my opinion anymore than you're changing yours.

Mako Crab 03-28-2012 01:47 AM

No, dude. I'm not taking this show as seriously as you are. Nowhere near as seriously. To me, it's just a fun action/adventure cartoon. I watch it. I enjoy it. And that's pretty much it. I don't look too deeply into it.

But you- you've been seething over this whole love triangle since season 1 ended. I don't care what your reasons are why you hate Cheetara so much. But seriously, it's annoying to see you and 2 or 3 other guys overrun threads with your constant, obsessive bitching about how Cheetara or Jelenic ruined the show forever.

You want to hate Cheetara? Good for you. Have fun. I won't try to change your mind. But please, find something else to talk about.

And one thing that occurred to me. So maybe Cheetara was sending some mixed signals. MAYBE. Maybe she was flirting with Lino-O a little. MAYBE. But did he ever act on it? Did he ever show interest or flirt back? Did he ever say anything about how he felt? No? Well, how's a girl supposed to know then!? Seems to me like it's Lion-O's fault. ;)

That's right! I'm spinning it around! If Lion-O's upset that he didn't get the girl, then he has only himself to blame!

stormbringer 03-28-2012 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mako Crab (Post 41052)
No, dude. I'm not taking this show as seriously as you are. Nowhere near as seriously. To me, it's just a fun action/adventure cartoon. I watch it. I enjoy it. And that's pretty much it. I don't look too deeply into it.

But you- you've been seething over this whole love triangle since season 1 ended. I don't care what your reasons are why you hate Cheetara so much. But seriously, it's annoying to see you and 2 or 3 other guys overrun threads with your constant, obsessive bitching about how Cheetara or Jelenic ruined the show forever.

You want to hate Cheetara? Good for you. Have fun. I won't try to change your mind. But please, find something else to talk about.

And one thing that occurred to me. So maybe Cheetara was sending some mixed signals. MAYBE. Maybe she was flirting with Lino-O a little. MAYBE. But did he ever act on it? Did he ever show interest or flirt back? Did he ever say anything about how he felt? No? Well, how's a girl supposed to know then!? Seems to me like it's Lion-O's fault. ;)

That's right! I'm spinning it around! If Lion-O's upset that he didn't get the girl, then he has only himself to blame!

Actually in this thread since the last episode aired, it seems like most of the posters aren't happy with Cheetara. And you are taking it seriously, otherwise you wouldn't be telling me about how unhappy you are. But, getting back to the show itself, Cheetara would have to be incredibly naive not know she was leading Lion-o on, but Saturdays episode with her nearly getting the 3 of them killed, proved that Lion-o can't trust her even to do her job. If it wasn't for Panthro's arrival, her idiotic decision would have meant certain death.


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