Slavery. We already know from the crew that Mumm-Ra kept some of the survivors from Thundera as slaves. And I would think seeing their king as a slave beside them would keep the slaves morale low.

15 is worse to me. But I do enjoy the kiss though.:D

He's probably referring to one of the times Cmangund and I were throwing out wacky theories

He's probably referring to one of the times Cmangund and I were throwing out wacky theories. And I did say that logically Lion-o would be right to banish Cheetara for dereliction of duty, since her surrender could have gotten them killed.

As I mentioned, Slythe has constantly made his desire to outright kill the ThunderCats known (e.g. Song of the Petalars).
Why couldn’t Cheetara have assumed that Slythe was being deceptive? It seems a reasonable assumption to make. Accepting a "surrender or die" command from Slythe at face value seems incredibly naive.

As KurtulanSama said, in such a situation you should act assuming worst possible outcome, which would the death of all three.

At least "spirit Cheetara" won't lead Lion-o on.:p

I was going to say that we don't want any of the cats to die.

You are not lying about that.:D

Oh, that. I really don't know, maybe that he and Bengali are brothers separated upon the death of their parents and while Tygra was adopted and raised by Claudus Bengali was taken in by Pumyra's family who were middle or lower class.

I don't think "Native Son" will focus as much on Tygra as the fans think. The crew has been very up front that the first season is pretty much all about Lion-O and his development and we're still technically in the "first" season as it was plotted by the creators.

We'll get to see what the other cats are up to as they try to regain what was lost, but for the most part the story will still focus on Lion-O as he comes out of his trials and tries to heal up.

Isn't that the way it is in most shows?

So we might get to see a T/P/B triangle. :D

I am a big fan of T/P even if lion-o never gets with cheetara.

How long do you think the triangle will go?
I wish you would post more!!

I was hoping we would learn a little on tygra.

I think she acted for the best possible outcome instead of the worse.

Basically these were the possible options (not knowing Panthro was coming).
1. She surrenders and they all die.
2. She surrenders and they get taken prisoner.
3. She fights and they all die.
4. She fights and they win, but Tygra dies.

Idk maybe I'm as naive as she is, but I would try for option 2.

I think I read a spoiler about Lion-o and Tygra encountering a clan of tigers. Maybe that will tell us more about Tygra.

Well look at what Authur did to Gwen in the Merlin series.

I'm willing to lay odds that Pumyra and Bengali will have more of a brother/sister relationship, and if Pumyra get with anyone it'll be Lion-O (I have this whole crazy theory about Florence Nightingale Syndrome and Pumyra nursing Lion-O back to health).

I also did some sketches for Pumyra if you'd like to see them.

I am hoping survival of the fittest is Bengali vs Tygra. Give lion-o a break from the brother fighting.

If that happens, I will quit the show. I feel like the whole L/C/T would be a waste.

My theroy is that legacy was a foreshadowing of what is going to happen.

If you don't mind, yeah.

Any news on when the other episodes are airing? Or is it gonna take another break?

That is what I am hoping for.

In the CN promo, you can see a thone in a hut where lion-o and tygra are standing.

I think there going to be new episodes on Saturday morning,for the foreseeable future for now.

Awesome, was gonna get a little pissed if I learned that they plan on taking another break.

Agreed.

There should be a 5th outcome, even though it may be very unlikely:
5. She fights and they all survive.

Anyway, I would have to disagree with option 2. She should never have assumed that Slythe would have let any of them live due to the reasons I mentioned before.

Also, I don't think she "acted for the best possible outcome." Her's was more like a knee-jerk reaction. Tygra was in danger, so she just HAD to "stick with him" (a very revealing line).

You are right about one thing. In hindsight, if we are to assume that surrender would lead to certain death for all, it would narrow down the choices.

Anyway, I liked this ‘argument’. It was entertaining. Cheers.

OK guys/girls I will get to the point. With this episode.

I you guys watched "We Were Solediers" with Mel Gilbson. The went guns blazin know fully that they were going to die. In an army, one does not surrender to the enemy just because a few soldiers have been captured. If that would have been the case, all you have to do to win a battle to capture a few soldiers and you're set. Lion-O did the logical thing. We you really believe the enemy when they say "surrender or he die"? Would you REALLY trust them?
They're ruthless enemies.

Now for T/C

I'm taking no sides to this. I just observing it from the victims point of view. She knew she was leading him. Those who support the T/C, I have nothing against the T/C. If guys/girls (Hardcore Tigra fans) would be in Lion-O shoes, you would react differently. No way one would be alright with what happened last episode. You would not trust a person to get close to you emotionally--- More so after they overrule you decision. Balgus82 said that if Tigra because Lion-O decided to continue fight is absurd. In war, no whats to see anyone die but in reality it not going to happen. People will die.

It not good to let Tigra to die but when the table turns (Lion-O dies) it ok move on. This is not cool. I must say.

You're not lying someone does die in the next episode.:D

In an Army there are more soldiers to take your place after you die. The Thundercats are not an army. If one of them dies there's no one to replace them.

Say something like this battle would keep happening. And one person would keep getting captured. Lion-O keeps fighting, and the one captured dies. After a while Lion-O's going to be fighting by himself.

You don't have time to plan for the next battle, you have to focus on the battle at hand.

I love "New Alliances" because a lot of what happens with the characters is morally neutral and no one is completely "right" or "wrong."

Lion-O is right to stand up for the recaptured Lizards and working without the knowledge of new generals he made a solid command decision based on what knowledge he had available.
Cheetarah's excuse of "Jaga told me to" is a bit of a cop out. Yes he asked her to look after Lion-O but she still lead him on and isn't taking responsibility for hurting him. He shouldn't say he's fine with things if he isn't, but he's trying to be a good brother and put on a good face for Tygra.
Tygra is still insubordinate and letting his prejudices blind him to the bigger picture, but he still sees the Lizards as the people that killed his father so his apathy is understandable.
The stand of is the best yet, both sides are both right and wrong for different reasons. Cheetarah did give up way too easily, but taking the chance of sacrificing Tygra, even if she didn't care about him is cold. Lion-O was probably betting that Tygra could find a way out of it, but he's still betting with his brother's life.

Like I said, great episode.

I think lion-o thought tygra would get out of it.

I'm pretty sure that Lion-o thought that by he and Cheetara continuing to fight, it would have given Tygra enough time to escape. Like you said about ep 15, that would have been the way ep 14 should have gone.

How could you say that?

Agreed. I think tygra does not care about uniting the animals.

They're not an army but the are a fight force. Think about about like this in Saving Private Ryan" the yhad a small group the specialized in different thing. ex. sniping, medic, translator, etc... When they lost someone the kept on going but never forgot about them. They were like brothers but they did never surrender when it looked grim and bleak. saying that Lion-O will eventually fight alone is absurd. You assume that they fall for the same trap over and over again. You make Lion-O seem as if he deliberately leave Tygra to his death so that he can keep Cheetara. I doesn't make sense. I already got her answer. Why would he want her now. If anything--- he doesn't want to be near near (emotionally). Your placing Tygra's manipulative personally on to Lion-O. Remember, Tigra wanted to KILL Lion-O so that he could be the next King.

Yeah, I think that Tygra thinks that uniting the animals is a waste of time. I wonder what it will take to change his mind?

Episode 16.

To me he is crushed by her three times and then we get what happens in 15. I don't think he thougth that wouldn't happen.

I have done no such thing. I never once even alluded to a motive for Lion-O wanting to continue to fight.

And btw if Tygra really wanted to kill Lion-O then Lion-O would be dead right now. No one was there to stop him.

The only reason Lion-o survived in the pit was because he was able to hold onto something/find solid ground. And don't start with that "Tygra was manipulated" bs, you wouldn't say the same for a drunk driver, would you?

Don't forget lion-o saying father. He would've left him there to die.

I wonder if their going to reveal the source of Tygra's issues anytime soon?

Having their king's decapitated head paraded in front of them would probably be better.

Of course, and having 3 people get captured and then executed is so much better.

Yes...Tygra did try to kill Lion-O once already didn't he....I almost forgot about that. I don't really see how that helped your point though

I always thought it was the crown.

I wonder if when they show the episode with the lost clan of tigers, if we'll finally see how Claudus came to adopt Tygra?

I hope. I am hoping he is a prince to the throne to that clan and he has to battle the other tiger who is on the throne.

TCats are going to need more help.

Here’s a summary of the arguments in defence of Lion-O/against Cheetara:

- Lion-O decision to attempt to free the captured lizards was rational and completely fit in with his ultimate vision of uniting the animals. Even his attempt to do so on his own may be justified as he was able to hold his own against an entire battalion (at the beginning of the episode). Also, he had no knowledge that Kaynar and Addicus would be there.

- Slythe, on Mumm-Ra’s orders had been hunting the ThunderCats since the fall of Thundera. He had made his intention to kill the ThunderCats known. For example, he may have succeeded in the ‘Song of The Petalars’ if Panthro hadn’t come to their rescue.

- Knowing this, Cheetara’s decision to surrender and take Slythe at this word can be viewed as incredibly naïve. Without speculating, the only logical option to maximise the positive outcome was to continue the fight, which Lion-O got right.

- Cheetara’s decision was an emotionally motivated, knee-jerk reaction (“I need to stick with him.”). She disregarded her own advice about “sticking together” and undermined Lion-O authority on the battlefield, right in front of the enemy.

- Cheetara, a Cleric, directly defied Lion-O, the Lord of the ThunderCats, who she is sworn to protect, nearly getting him killed. Moreover, any rational person in a ‘bodyguard’ type role would give precedence to the King over a Prince.

I like to know if mummra has learned how to break the spell (Cheetara)?

Agree.

She could of thrown her staff to buy time for tygra and used her speed to get the staff.

Tygra pulled Lion-O out. And even if Lion-O climbed back up on his own Tygra could've easily knocked him down again.

And Drunk driving is not the same because when you driving drunk you're actually choosing to drink and drive. Tygra neither chose to be influenced or knew he was being influenced until after he came to his senses.

I'm also talking about when they were little.

You are responsible for your actions.